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At the time of writing this, Crunchyroll has picked up 4 series that niconico is also simulcasting in the summer 2011 season. As far as I can tell, all of these series will be premiering on Crunchyroll a week after their niconico premiere. My guess as to the reason is that niconico has exclusive simulcast rights for a week. These series will become available to free and premium Crunchyroll users at the same time.

I like the idea of having more ways to watch anime legally, but it is a pain to have to use multiple services. I have tried a few times to use the niconico player. So far, it always fails to load the video. I am using Google Chrome Canary. From what I have heard however, the only plus about the player over Crunchyroll is having the free video be ad free and available earlier.

For those who have used the niconico player, how is it? Is there anything else good about it? Has anyone else had problems with Chrome?

I have been trying to figure out who niconico benefits. The answer seems to be people who want to watch Uta no prince sama or Blood-C and people in the UK, New Zealand or Australia. For those in this category, are you glad that niconico exists? Does it work for you?

This thread is just for a discussion of niconico in general, and its effects on the rest of the simulcast industry.
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Posted 7/8/11 , edited 7/8/11

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For those who have used the niconico player, how is it? Is there anything else good about it? Has anyone else had problems with Chrome?
I haven't had any real problems with the player, but the inability to go fullscreen is pretty bad. And the video quality is even worse (360p)


I have been trying to figure out who niconico benefits. The answer seems to be people who want to watch Uta no prince sama or Blood-C and people in the UK, New Zealand or Australia.
Besides people who want to legally watch Uta no Prince-sama or Blood-C, the only people who benefit are people who are too cheap to pay for a CR anime membership.

Also, it doesn't give any extra benefit to people in the UK, New Zealand or Australia (over CR) as the only streams available in those countries are Uta no prince sama and Blood-C.

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I actually did check out an episode on NicoNico. And yeah, the lack of a proper full screen is annoying, though the lower quality wasn't a huge bother to me. For anyone having video problems, you will probably need to go into your browser settings and manually set it to allow cookies from niconico.jp. Most browsers don't like the fact that a .com domain is trying to access and run info from a .jp domain, and thus block it for security reasons. Alternatively, the easier fix is to always allow all cookies, but then the ad companies would love you that much more...
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Posted 7/8/11

fuzzytipsy wrote:

I have been trying to figure out who niconico benefits. The answer seems to be people who want to watch Uta no prince sama or Blood-C and people in the UK, New Zealand or Australia. For those in this category, are you glad that niconico exists? Does it work for you?
You are fogetting about people who live in South Africa, as they're included in the availability for both Uta no Prince-sama and for Blood-C.




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fuzzytipsy wrote:

For those who have used the niconico player, how is it? Is there anything else good about it? Has anyone else had problems with Chrome?
I haven't had any real problems with the player, but the inability to go fullscreen is pretty bad. And the video quality is even worse (360p)


I have been trying to figure out who niconico benefits. The answer seems to be people who want to watch Uta no prince sama or Blood-C and people in the UK, New Zealand or Australia.
Besides people who want to legally watch Uta no Prince-sama or Blood-C, the only people who benefit are people who are too cheap to pay for a CR anime membership.
Could you be any more arrogant than you have been with the bolded statement? No one is forcing anyone else to get a premium membership to this site. It's a choice, and if someone chooses to not get a premium membership, no one should question that. I don't have a premium membership because I don't need a premium membership. I am supporting the industry in my own way, by watching from legal sites like Crunchyroll, which provides most of its titles to the free users of the site. There are exceptions to this, and luckily, one of those exceptions isn't so bad now that I can watch this series on another legal site.

On the subject of quality of the video, I don't really care. As long as I can see the video and the contents within the video, it's perfectly fine, even if it's not HD or anything like that.
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NicoNico - Crunchys new main competitor

I'm interested to see how they both co-exist from here on out, especially since NicoNico should just get more significant as time goes on
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RyanSaotome wrote:

NicoNico - Crunchys new main competitor

I'm interested to see how they both co-exist from here on out, especially since NicoNico should just get more significant as time goes on

In Summer 2010, it appeared Funimation was getting serious about simulcasts, given the number of new titles (7) they simulcast that season. But come Fall of that same year, it was clear that was over, but a new contender appeared on the horizon: Anime News Network. After a bad stumble out of the gate, they recovered, but with no simulcasts the next season, it appeared they were out of the game.

NicoNico does have the advantage in that they have experience with this in Japan. Their main feature appears to be their chat. While this no doubt works well in Japan, where watchers can listen to the program while reading the chat, I am not certain how well it will work for viewers who have to read subtitles. As much as some people complained about Funimation's 360p video, I can only imagine how they will respond to NicoNico's 360p coupled with the inability to have true fullscreen video.

I think if NicoNico is going to be more than just wrench-in-the-works also ran for simulcasting, they will need to provide better quality video (at least 480p), and a true full screen mode, at least to premium accounts (whenever those become available).
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Oh, glad somebody finally decides to discuss niconico! I only use it to watch MADs though, so I can't help you with anime casts. It's an interesting site, though. It's a little hard to navigate, but there's a Spanish version that works fine.
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An English version was launched recently: niconico.com. From what I can tell, it seems to be just a front end for for the Japanese nicovideo.jp
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Posted 7/8/11 , edited 7/8/11

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llamaben wrote:
the only people who benefit are people who are too cheap to pay for a CR anime membership.
Could you be any more arrogant than you have been with the bolded statement? No one is forcing anyone else to get a premium membership to this site. It's a choice, and if someone chooses to not get a premium membership, no one should question that. I don't have a premium membership because I don't need a premium membership. I am supporting the industry in my own way, by watching from legal sites like Crunchyroll, which provides most of its titles to the free users of the site. There are exceptions to this, and luckily, one of those exceptions isn't so bad now that I can watch this series on another legal site
As arrogant as it is, it's still very true as nobody else has anything to gain from the other 4 shared streams being at niconico... This would be a completely different matter if niconico had their act together and streamed in nice quality, but right now all it's doing is putting out a vastly inferior product and making others wait longer for good quality.


On the subject of quality of the video, I don't really care. As long as I can see the video and the contents within the video, it's perfectly fine, even if it's not HD or anything like that.
I used to think like that, but then I changed my ways when I found out just how noticeable the difference in enjoyment was when watching in HD.

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Posted 7/8/11 , edited 7/8/11
Don't really get the need to whine about niconico getting stuff sooner. It is what it is. You're still going to have to wait a week after watching the first episode anyway. Just happy I'm able to watch as much stuff as I am.
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I see Kadokawa giving Niconico same day simulcast streaming as an attempt to attract viewers and there is nothing wrong with that I mean who would choose to wait a week to watch a current episode if they could watch it the same day it airs in Japan . What is really upsetting is the fact that CR Premium members would have to wait a week in order watch the same episode that Niconico streamed a week ago for free. It wouldn't be an issue if both Niconico and CR simulcasts those anime at the same time because then the Premium members could watch those anime on CR and non Premium members could go to Niconico and watch it there.
Oh well I guess I'll just wait a week for R-15, A Dark Rabbit has Seven Lives, and The Mystic Archive of Dantalian.

The main reason why I became a Premium member was so that I could watch simulcast anime the same day they air in Japan or when earliest available instead of having to wait a week to watch for free.
As I look at the total number of anime shows that Im watching on CR this season 11 out of the 14 anime shows I can watch the same day they air in Japan or a few days(less than 7 days) afters so for me its doesnt affect me that much but still it does suck to have to wait a week.
If I was still a non Premium member, waiting a week for those anime wouldn't have been a problem In fact I wouldn't wait a week since Niconico was simulcasting those anime the same day for free, but now since Im paying I have some expectations .
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I just used it for the first time to watch Blood-C and didn't have a problem with it. To be honest I actually like having the task bar and menu bar visible (which is I don't use CR's full screen). Also setting your browser to full screen (F11 usually) will hide those bars but the scroll bar will remain.
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Posted 7/8/11 , edited 7/8/11
Some statistics on the simulcast episodes posted at NicoNico thus far:

Uta No Prince Sama
Total bitrate = 1410 Kbps (1282 Kbps for video, 128 Kbps for audio), 29 fps

Twin Angel: Twinkle Paradise
Total bitrate = 1591 Kbps (1466 Kbps for video, 125 Kbps for audio), 23 fps

Blood-C
Total bitrate = 1198 Kbps (1072 Kbps for video, 125 Kbps for audio), 23 fps

A Dark Rabbit has Seven Lives
Total bitrate = 1120 Kbps (995 Kbps for video, 125 Kbps for audio), 23 fps

Resolution for all is 640x360

Aspect ratio for all appears to be 16:9
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Posted 7/8/11 , edited 7/8/11

TheAncientOne wrote:

Some statistics on the simulcast episodes posted at NicoNico thus far:

Aspect ratio for all appears to be 16:9
However, there are small black bars at the top and bottom of the 640x360 video. Maybe ~4 pixels each way.

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Kid_Gloves wrote:

I just used it for the first time to watch Blood-C and didn't have a problem with it. To be honest I actually like having the task bar and menu bar visible (which is I don't use CR's full screen). Also setting your browser to full screen (F11 usually) will hide those bars but the scroll bar will remain.


Well, I watch it on my TV (I have my PC extended to my TV), so not being able to set it to full screen is quite annoying.
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