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Posted 11/14/06
Better solution: Make everyone cyborgs. No more natural disease, just viruses and spyware ads running around in your head ...
Posted 11/14/06
killing babies? helping people? science?

what isnt to like?
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I support stem cell research, BUT not from embyros. Stem cell can be obtained from umbilical cord blood. As one resource to support this is the infamous Wikipedia...

"2005 - Researchers at Kingston University in England claim to have discovered a third category of stem cell, dubbed cord-blood-derived embryoniclike stem cells (CBEs), derived from umbilical cord blood. The group claims these cells are able to differentiate into more types of tissue than adult stem cells."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cell#Key_events_in_stem_cell_research

Next from the University of Utah, Genetic Science Learning Center...

"Umbilical cord blood stem cell transplants are less prone to rejection than either bone marrow or peripheral blood stem cells. This is probably because the cells have not yet developed the features that can be recognized and attacked by the recipient's immune system. Also, because umbilical cord blood lacks well-developed immune cells, there is less chance that the transplanted cells will attack the recipient's body, a problem called graft versus host disease."
http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/units/stemcells/sctoday/

Nothing has to be killed to do this... so I don't understand why there is such a huge controversy and why people keep saying we have to get them from embryos?! From what I've read I know they have thousands of already frozen and stored embryos. I would suggest yes using those, because they shouldn't be wasted, and not given the chance to live for nothing, but after that use strictly umbilical cord blood. There may be a piece to this puzzle I'm missing if there is, someone tell me, or else i'm really confused on what the issue is...?

EDIT: More supporting evidence. I just read that the first lab grown liver in England was from umbilical cord blood!
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Posted 11/14/06

Do0mAid wrote:
Nothing has to be killed to do this... so I don't understand why there is such a huge controversy and why people keep saying we have to get them from embryos?!


May i refer you to haddon's post.


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killing babies? helping people? science?

what isnt to like?
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Posted 11/14/06
Not funny. I don't find killing babies funny even if you were joking =/.
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Real umbilical cord cells have the ability to become anything also. I'm also pro-life, so I'm against you on the using aborted babies. Not to mention I'm not sure if that's possible, do you know how they kill aborted babies? I don't know how you could salvage anything. Yes there's the "morning after" pill, but usually they suck it out with a vaccuum type things. If it's more developed, the 1/2 developed bones are crushed then sucked out. If it's even further along, saline is injected to the uterus burning the developing babies new skin thus killing it. The last and the most disgusting by far is the 1/2 birth of the baby then a stab to the brain stem to kill it. The last is more rare, but literally makes me sick to my stomach.

Note: the point of all that was not to shove pro-life idea down anyones throat, but really I don't know if you save the cells from aborted babies. I think they'd have to make embryos specifically in a lab to use.
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I don't see any problem with it because if it's just a stem cell then it's not like it has a soul in it. That is one way to look at it if you beleive in that type of stuff. I just think that if we could find a cure for aids and cancer that would be great.

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well its whats wrong with this world like i said this. They trying to say we shouldnt expment on the dead or whatever. In this research no one has ever mentioned killing anyone. It just that people in this world act like there shit dont stink. When in all realitty if a tust was conducted 1 and 3 people in this world should have a bullet put in there brain. That is just life.

I still say we no we as humans are just a diffrent species of animals. Learn from that and change how we think about things alittle more. I mean i am not a hippy and love my meat. Thats what we are as animals are drawn to. We slaughty animals all the time and well the goverment slaughters humans too. We experment on our dead. So what not dead babbies or the umbliacord. The reasons are above take your pick. It doesnt matter we will as human kill the planet or spicies if we continue this way. Most like us because the planet is weak but strong at the same time. Time will probly let it regen.
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For an important update on the science behind stem cell research as well as issues relating to ethical and political concerns check out this article: http://www.nature.com/news/2006/060821/full/442858b.html

It notes about a procedure for obtaining stem cells without harming the embryo. This harming of the embryo is the main reason bush gave for not giving federal money to stell cell research.
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It's all in pursuit of knowledge. We kill animals all the time to live better lives, what's the "life" of a 5 day old embryo? It's just a clump of cells. I kill sperm all the time, that must be wrong too. Those sperm cells couldve become a living breathing human.
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In advance, sorry for the incredibly long posts, but this is interesting stuff to me :)!

Granted, people's selfishness would have them lined up to sell there eggs/sperm, and it would probably generate more cells, but I'd rather not kill embyros and have research go a little slower. Parents would also be able to sell their just born babies umbilical cords, that may be an incentive. As for one being better than the other, they're still uncertain about that:

"From studies using mice, it was found that mouse embryonic stem cells could contribute to every tissue in the adult mouse. It is believed that human embryonic stem cells have this property, and are called pluripotent stem cells. Scientists now need to compare human embryonic stem cell lines for their potential in tissue repair to that which can be accomplished from adult stem cells.

Currently, it is not clear whether stem cells from adult tissues or umbilical cord blood are pluripotent. The comparison of human embryonic stem cells to adult stem cells is currently a very active area in research"
http://www.isscr.org/science/faq.htm#9
(Note: The article was written 2004, so it could be different now)

The pluripotent refers to the potentancy of the stem cell. There apparently are 4 different levels of potentancy. There is one more potent than pluripotent, where those come from I don't know.

Also this is interesting:
"Some believe that human somatic cells can be coaxed to "de-differentiate" and revert to an embryonic state. Researchers at Harvard University, led by Kevin Eggan, have attempted to transfer the nucleus of a somatic cell into an existing embryonic stem cell, thus creating a new stem cell line. Another study published in August 2006 also indicates that differentiated cells can be reprogrammed to an embryonic-like state by introducing four specific factors."

Also while stem cells can do amazing things for people with health problems, science always has a duality to it. As punkfilter mentioned cloning is a big ethical issue to consider when the techonology of stem cell growth is perfected. Is humanity ready for that, or is it one of those things we're never really "ready" for because they'll always be someone who wants to abuse it?

Another question I have if someone knows the answer to it, is why can't just one group of cells be left to divide, and then shipped and distributed among the labs? I'm sure there's some fatal flaw with that some where lol, but if anyone knows specifically enlighten me!

Overall, best sight to learn about this? Definitely Wikipedia ^_^! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stem_cell_controversy#Stem_cells_without_embryonic_destruction
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I think that Stem Cell research should not be restriced, and should recive government research grants. If this type of research is not permited in the US it will hapeen elsewhere and the US will lose its edge in biotech.
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wiki is alright for a general idea but when it comes down to facts you really cant use that. I mean it just info someone posted and enough people voted for it so it is added.
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Posted 11/14/06

zaphod wrote:

I think that Stem Cell research should not be restriced, and should recive government research grants. If this type of research is not permited in the US it will hapeen elsewhere and the US will lose its edge in biotech.


There's more important things than losing the edge in biotech?

Wikipedia wouldn't like people post crap. Not to mention all sources are listed at the bottom of each article. I think it's pretty legitimate ^^!

Eros I really liked the article! I think that idea is worth persuing. In truth I don't like it as much as umbilical cord blood ideas, but it's still better than killing the embryo. Overall I think there's still a better answer, but it's great that they're working toward a better solution :)!!
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Posted 11/14/06
thats true, but its not the race that matters its more of the ending to the race. we may fall behind in biotech but then we may find the answer in the end right?

either way stems cells is an iffy topic, i support the whole science for the betterment of man but then again is leads to abortions which could just lead to more sex which leads to more population problems.
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