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There are major conflicts with stem cell research as we already know...one is what is considered alive to actually consider it a life being taken away. Another is to use stem cell research to be used for what it is supposed to be used for.

Any private company could use stem cell research and fund it..What if it actually got out of hand? there would be no stopping it. They go even go into cloning or actually start making human bodies to store organs and be dumping them in the trash after they are done with them. (though just a thought).. that is why the govenment must regulate it because we as people seem to not be able to control ourselves without the government regulating our lives. Take depression for instance. get my drift? Idk.

Anyways...I think people take this way out of hand as to what it is supposed to be used for and what ideas come from other people that would corrupt the true potential of the good in stem cell research and make it look extremely bad.
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I agree but yet disagree. Slavery was done on the sides of private companies and the government stopped that. Are you saying they should have let it continue


But slavery is a different subject altogether. That deals with a social injustice.
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Asndrgn wrote:

There are major conflicts with stem cell research as we already know...one is what is considered alive to actually consider it a life being taken away. Another is to use stem cell research to be used for what it is supposed to be used for.

Any private company could use stem cell research and fund it..What if it actually got out of hand? there would be no stopping it. They go even go into cloning or actually start making human bodies to store organs and be dumping them in the trash after they are done with them. (though just a thought).. that is why the govenment must regulate it because we as people seem to not be able to control ourselves without the government regulating our lives. Take depression for instance. get my drift? Idk.

Anyways...I think people take this way out of hand as to what it is supposed to be used for and what ideas come from other people that would corrupt the true potential of the good in stem cell research and make it look extremely bad.


True, but I believe I said that private companies should do research on the subject. I never said anything about government regulation. The government may regulate the experimentation but I believe it should not fund it.
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quater wrote:

I agree but yet disagree. Slavery was done on the sides of private companies and the government stopped that. Are you saying they should have let it continue


But slavery is a different subject altogether. That deals with a social injustice.


What's more unjust than being harvested as part of a flesh trade? Sound like the same thing to me.
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And abortion is completely entangled with this issue! Have you never watched the news? Everytime stem cells come up, they try to figure out if babies will be conceived just to be aborted. They have a technique now so they don't have to kill the embryo, but do you let all those embryos come to term? Who will take care of them anyway?

And what they really fear is a clone factory, thousands of cloned fertilized embryos custom-made for a patient, and then disposed of when useless.
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People with happy lives are satisfied just to be alive.

The fucked-up, loveless victim kids are the ones like Edgar Allen Poe, Beethoven, Oprah, and others I have no time to mention. "A tree growing in a harsh wind is much stronger than the tree in the shade."-old proverb
The point is, if your life sucks because you were not aborted and you had to suffer. You have three options:

1 Off yourself (the easy way out, leading to Hell, reincarnation, or oblivion)
2 Try your hardest to be a survivor and actually change the world for better
3 Off some true criminals (Enron guys, make the world a better place to live)

Suicide is for the weak.
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As is said, everyone has their own opinions. Some see the fetuses as not a living being while others see it as a living being, depends on your views.
Posted 11/16/06

suicide doesn't mean someone is weak.:




Probabaly the stupidest thing ive heard this week. Its the ultimate and easiest way of saying im a failure @ life and i cant handle i anymore....thats a WEAK person.



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daviddesolate wrote:


lusulpher wrote:


thefirstknight wrote:


quater wrote:
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The fucked-up, loveless victim kids are the ones like Edgar Allen Poe, Beethoven, Oprah, and others I have no time to mention. "A tree growing in a harsh wind is much stronger than the tree in the shade."-old proverb
The point is, if your life sucks because you were not aborted and you had to suffer. You have three options:

1 Off yourself (the easy way out, leading to Hell, reincarnation, or oblivion)
2 Try your hardest to be a survivor and actually change the world for better
3 Off some true criminals (Enron guys, make the world a better place to live)

Suicide is for the weak.


I really have no idea what you are trying to preach anymore...maybe shhh until your points are maybe clarified?

all this argument will get is us going in circles i think and end in well never great terms.

unless you can clarify(crystal clear man crystal clear) then:




How clear can I get?
If a child is aborted, that is the end of the option stage. And inevitably a couple geniuses will be aborted, leaving us festering in our scientific ignorance until the next generation rolls around. And then that generation might be aborted too.

Doesn't matter how many kids are born, it's only matters that the random Einstein-types aren't killed before they can revolutionize a science.

And that last post was to counter the guy who said children facing horrible lives should be aborted. But that doesn't give the most options for the child, so I had to offer possible solutions. So far the world has a better chance if they are born.

If you are contemplating suicide I am assuming you are not in your best condition. Therefore a weak person would go through with it.
I have a pretty shitty life and one year I thought of all the sleeping pills.(Our mom barely manages to feed and clothe us, no gifts on any holiday, and I am glad now, because I am not attached to material things)
But then I considered that I have skills people at school praise (and player-hate) and I could do something useful for the world before I die.

Suicide is the option for the weakest people, because life is hard as hell. And I have no time for people who stay traumatized and don't do anything about it, other than hurt themselves. I am biased against emos, cry me a river. Crystal enough for you?
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I believe stem cell research shouldn't be subsidized by government. The government can not take sides in sensitive matters like this. Stem cell research should be done on the budgets of private companies.

They have every right to suport it if it helps others than let it hapen

Posted 11/17/06
wow kyo, that really sucks to hear from you.

then again, you are a spoiled little rich boy with a nice car, apparently nice girlfriend, in a nice college, nice parents, living in a nice place. youve lived a VERY easy life, it seems to me. until youve been to the point where you have had reason to kill yourself, you cant comment
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thefirstknight wrote:

I believe stem cell research shouldn't be subsidized by government. The government can not take sides in sensitive matters like this. Stem cell research should be done on the budgets of private companies.

They have every right to suport it if it helps others than let it hapen



But then it would lead the government to support whether an embryo is considered a being that is alive and whether it would be justified to take that life for experimentation.
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wow kyo, that really sucks to hear from you.

then again, you are a spoiled little rich boy with a nice car, apparently nice girlfriend, in a nice college, nice parents, living in a nice place. youve lived a VERY easy life, it seems to me. until youve been to the point where you have had reason to kill yourself, you cant comment

<<<haddon is right, the human mind is a complex thing, human behavoir can not be described so easyly. I feel for these people.
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You must be REALLY lucky kyocool

A person who cannot forgive...that is a weak person.
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thefirstknight wrote:


fishyfish wrote:


thefirstknight wrote:

I believe stem cell research shouldn't be subsidized by government. The government can not take sides in sensitive matters like this. Stem cell research should be done on the budgets of private companies.

They have every right to suport it if it helps others than let it hapen



But then it would lead the government to support whether an embryo is considered a being that is alive and whether it would be justified to take that life for experimentation.



o_O Have you been reading the topic? Several of us already stated that they would "die" anyway because if not used with consent they'd just be thrown out.

Also, the government has the right to do this in my opinion, as long as there is consent by the family. People "pull the plug" on others all the time and euthanasia (sorry if I misspelled that) is legal in Oregon but you surprise me with the whole "Stem cell research is bad because it is taking someones life." Stem cell research is at least used for the good of the mass. If you believe that its wrong to take a life than thank God theres seperation of church and state. Nevertheless, if you think its wrong to take a life argue about it with euthanasia or people that "pull the plug" on others. What good does that do for mankind? Just my two cents though.
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Crossy wrote:


thefirstknight wrote:


fishyfish wrote:


thefirstknight wrote:

I believe stem cell research shouldn't be subsidized by government. The government can not take sides in sensitive matters like this. Stem cell research should be done on the budgets of private companies.

They have every right to suport it if it helps others than let it hapen



But then it would lead the government to support whether an embryo is considered a being that is alive and whether it would be justified to take that life for experimentation.



o_O Have you been reading the topic? Several of us already stated that they would "die" anyway because if not used with consent they'd just be thrown out.

Also, the government has the right to do this in my opinion, as long as there is consent by the family. People "pull the plug" on others all the time and euthanasia (sorry if I misspelled that) is legal in Oregon but you surprise me with the whole "Stem cell research is bad because it is taking someones life." Stem cell research is at least used for the good of the mass. If you believe that its wrong to take a life than thank God theres seperation of church and state. Nevertheless, if you think its wrong to take a life argue about it with euthanasia or people that "pull the plug" on others. What good does that do for mankind? Just my two cents though.


I believe government should not fund it. I never said stem cell research is bad.
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Oh, sorry, the second paragraph wasnt really directed at you, just those in that believe that about the government. I just use "you" because its better than saying "Everyone on crunchyroll who..." Thats why I seperated the paragraphs, but I realized now that it was a horrible transition. My apologies. And the first paragraph is directed towards this comment:

"But then it would lead the government to support whether an embryo is considered a being that is alive and whether it would be justified to take that life for experimentation."

I just dont see the difference because they'd die anyway. So who cares if they take the life for an experiment or just throw it out.
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