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R-15 Should be removed
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Posted 7/17/11 , edited 12/9/14
R-15 contains sexually graphic, albeit censored, scenes between minors and adults/minors. This content should be removed from the crunchy roll offering. The fact that underage people are commenting that they wish it was uncensored only goes further to illustrate the issue.



Before any formal complaints are lodged I am open to sensible debate.
Posted 7/17/11
So...you're upset that make-believe characters in a make-believe land are
breaking real laws that may or may not also exist in this make-believe land?
Are you also someone who believes that violent video games make violent
children? If we can be bothered to separate real from imagined then we may
as well start locking people up for thinking "bad" thoughts.
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Posted 7/17/11
you know they do have disclaimers for shows like this on crunchyroll
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Posted 7/17/11
Why? Does your wife/husband complain about you watching some weirdo anime? Or are u really concerned about children?
Underage can find more adultery videos from youtube rather than from here.. and i think youtube is more used : )
R-15 itself i think tries to bring out the weirdness of anime nudity to be more acceptable ...
Because it is some sorta taboo HERE for an example.
I myself enjoy ecchi anime's and dont understand why its so unacceptable when even public tv daily shows have "supposedly" sexy fake real life girls running in bikini and g-strings.
Ps. public tv broadcast's sicken me.
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Posted 7/17/11
I am talking about current law in the U.S. and how this would be in violation of it.
Posted 7/17/11 , edited 7/17/11

wakameyum wrote:

I am talking about current law in the U.S. and how this would be in violation of it.


Oh really? Never mind American porn sites that say "You're over 18, click YES to agree and watch all the porn you want". With actual penises and pussies uncensored.

Removal will only happen in your imagination. The worst that could happen is CR will act like those sites and block people by their [probably false] profile age.

If anything stop being a lazy bum and cultivate your kids like a proper parent should.
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Posted 7/17/11
Allow the system to run its course. If someone is truly disgruntled by the content and they believe it truly is harmful to young viewers, then a complaint will surely be filed. It's through these formalities that content may be subject to appropriate censorship or total removal at the discretion of whatever body is to audit this. Still, so long as no one does this, it is assumed based on streaming rights and obtained licenses that the content is "fit for broadcast", unless my understanding of the process is a little muddy.

TL;DR - this has been audited prior to streaming, so there's nothing wrong with it. Unless someone actually makes a formal complaint to some governing body, the content will most likely remain.
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Posted 7/17/11

underlock wrote:


wakameyum wrote:

I am talking about current law in the U.S. and how this would be in violation of it.


Oh really? Never mind American porn sites that say "You're over 18, click YES to agree and watch all the porn you want". With actual penises and pussies uncensored.

Removal will only happen in your imagination. The worst that could happen is CR will act like those sites and block people by their [probably false] profile age.




I completely disagree with that practice as well. I am glad that you see the similarity here though.
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Posted 7/17/11

underlock wrote:

Oh really? Never mind American porn sites that say "You're over 18, click YES to agree and watch all the porn you want". With actual penises and pussies uncensored.


That's called disclaiming liability. Sites do that to place the burden of guilt on the person actually accessing the site, thus relieving them of any harm done should the said party be actually a minor. Falsifying one's age isn't an action of the site providing mature content, so the liability falls upon the viewer and not the site in question.

CR can do this for mature content, but it doesn't make sense to have "mature content" in a generally PG-13 site. Otherwise, they should make a totally different "sister site" for these types of broadcasts - that is, assuming that these "ecchi" shows are actually deemed R-18.
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I'd say just put the same notice that they've had for Mitsudomoe Series, and all will be good.
You could pretty much tell how the show will be like just by reading the description.
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Posted 7/17/11

thatyu wrote:

I'd say just put the same notice that they've had for Mitsudomoe Series, and all will be good.
You could pretty much tell how the show will be like just by reading the description.


That would cover crunchyroll for "mature content" titles, but for shows like R-15, where I would argue that it is actually in violation of US law due to the graphic sexual content much more is needed.

I would argue that there is a distinct difference in the "ecchi" genre which has sexual overtones, and something like R-15 which has blatant sexual acts being performed by minors/adults&minors.
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Posted 7/17/11
I would like to see the section of US law that it violates (quoted with reference) and a specific episode and time-mark that violates said law.
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Posted 7/17/11 , edited 7/17/11
18 USC 1466A

As for specifics you can start with the first ten seconds of R-15, and riddled through out as well.
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Posted 7/17/11 , edited 7/17/11
Op are you really worried your nation's authorities are going to kick down your door and charge you with child porn?

or do you just take offense to the content yourself and are using this spurious legal argument to conceal your motives and provide you with a bigger stick with which to bully other people into agreeing with you?

Personally I find R-15 lacking in amusement value and probably won't watch it. But I find would be thought policemen like you VERY offensive. However, if you want have Crunchy Roll put a region block for the USA and allow the rest of us to watch. I have no problem with that. Your supposedly free country, isn't mine.
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Posted 7/17/11

wakameyum wrote:

18 USC 1466A

As for specifics you can start with the first ten seconds of R-15, and riddled through out as well.



(a) In General.— Any person who, in a circumstance described in subsection (d), knowingly produces, distributes, receives, or possesses with intent to distribute, a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that—
(1)
(A) depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and
(B) is obscene; or
(2)
(A) depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in graphic bestiality, sadistic or masochistic abuse, or sexual intercourse, including genital-genital, oral-genital, anal-genital, or oral-anal, whether between persons of the same or opposite sex; and
(B) lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value;


You would have to prove that the scenes are objectively obscene and/or have no merit to the literary/artstic value of the story and you would have to do so at a Federal level as it was already deemed necessary by the supreme court in Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition.


Especially since it does not show any genital-genital sexual intercourse, you're never going to be able to prove anything. You also haven't seen the entire artistic work and have no idea how it plays into the story or not. All they would have to prove is that the scene shows his depravity as a writer and when he falls in love and writes these beautiful literary works, the scene acts as a foil for his final self.

In short: you have no grounds to stand on; complain away, get a lawyer, or cancel your account.

[edit] Also note that it never once says that the girl in the first scene is underage. It says she is about to break every rule and that the man is her teacher. She could be 18 in high school or she could be in college. It also does not show any sexual intercourse (even without the blurs). It's an incredibly weak argument. If you'd like something you can argue better, check out Koe de Oshigoto! [/edit]
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