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R-15 Should be removed
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Posted 7/17/11
op this doesn't apply the age of the characters in the show, it's how the look. If they look over the age of 18 or there is no deception of a minor then it is legal to do, they do sell adult games here after all in America and you also have to remember not every anime character is "18" it goes by how they look not the age on them. Also there are some uncut shows on here like queens blade and kankon with full frontal nudity so just don't start something by watching a show that you don't like. Also guess how old the character are below
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They are highschool students that clearly appear to me to be underage. Although I will not argue that the appearance of a character is highly subjective.

There are many sides in this argument and many factors to be considered; which is why I wanted to have this debate before any formal complaint was filed.


While we will clearly not be able to agree on this particular instance, I think we can all agree that Crunchyroll is not doing enough to label and make the necessary tools available to restrict access to this material.

Does anyone not think Crunchyroll could not do more?
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Holy Shit..Complaining about nudity in an anime?...
are you serious?....White Knight Detected! where's your lance Sir Faggalot...
but in all seriousness...are you making a big deal out of this?...
i know there are kids logging here in the site but who cares?...REALLY!...
i mean,if they want to watch it they can go watch it....
and they will also know it eventually when they become adults...
but if you're serious about this im going to give you some of the OBVIOUS THINGS...
1.90% of all underage people on the net know about H*ntai and P*rn....
2.Underage People On The Net Have All The Rights To See What They Want...
i know there's like a law prohibiting underage kids watching these kinds of stuff but
if you observe it carefully that law is just trash and no one ever obeyed that law...
correct me if im wrong about the law thing...
3.YOU CANT CONTROL PEOPLE ON THE NET...
4.all of those Rated +18 shows will always be seen by underage people...
including me...lol...but whatever...there are like tons of sites where you can see those
and those websites doesn't even have a warning like the yes or no question if you're 18 above...
...thats it i guess...
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Posted 7/17/11 , edited 7/17/11
I think they could do more, but I don't think they are obligated to do so. I think they could also do more to give me 1080p rips and stream everything directly into my brain so that I don't have to be by a computer.

So, no, I don't agree with you that they aren't doing enough -- I think they are doing just as much as they need to do. I do, though, think that if you have children and an account on this site and you don't feel the tools are adequate enough to protect your children from viewing content that you think is objectionable that it is your duty as a parent to block/restrict access to crunchyroll.com from your browser and or in your router settings. If you need help doing so, I would be more than happy to provide you with links on how to do so.

[edit] On that note, you've mentioned that you're American, which means if you are like the rest of our population, you're going to whine and moan about an issue, make a new topic about it and decide that you've fulfilled you moral requirements and go back to watching the Real Housewives of Orange County. Since you never are going to actually do anything about the matter, I'm done with the topic. Good luck forcing your personal convictions on the rest of the world. Yes, we all know it is your god-given right, nay... duty, to ensure that anything that personally offends you is obliterated from existence. As we know, not watching something is far too difficult with all that sinful temptation lurking about.[/edit]
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Posted 7/17/11

wakameyum wrote:

They are highschool students that clearly appear to me to be underage. Although I will not argue that the appearance of a character is highly subjective.

There are many sides in this argument and many factors to be considered; which is why I wanted to have this debate before any formal complaint was filed.


While we will clearly not be able to agree on this particular instance, I think we can all agree that Crunchyroll is not doing enough to label and make the necessary tools available to restrict access to this material.

Does anyone not think Crunchyroll could not do more?


suggestive as it is and yest they are 16-17 but as long as they look 18 then it doesn't apply to the that rule, any normal person would look and see well they look of age. I am not going to argue with lolicon or shotacon porn due in fact they are and look underage. If you want to do a complaint then be my guest but then you will also have to go here to the other legal streaming site and do one as well due in part that it has nothing on it.
http://ch.niconico.com/
This link is to a shop to buy games that are for adults as well off subject i know but these are protected under the clause and are legal to sell.
http://www.jastusa.com/shop/

on crunchy roll doing more they do restrict adult stuff or shows like i mentioned before but you have to be "18" to view it however people do lie all the time about their age on the net. I am really twenty five so I don't really care what I watch at this point but in all honesty do you now how hard it is stop someone from watching something they want to? Even if c.r. removes this there are torrents, ddl and other ways to watch it.
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If those were real highschool kids I don't think we would be having this discussion; which is the purpose of that law, to clearly outline that the depictions of children in sexual encounters are not allowed in the U.S.


For Raetus: Crunchyroll is obligated to put the appropriate safeguards in place. If you select to turn "mature content off" R-15 is still right there and able to be watched. Can you say that is not mature content at the very least?
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I watched the first episode. Im not so stubborn in my beliefs to not clearly see your concerns are valid. But even with that being said, I still stand by my original post. I just don't agree with regional blocking or censorship. Adults should be able to watch adult-related content as it is intended by the creator, and I do not feel that CR is a site just for kid friendly shows (if it was, the would be a whole list of shows that would fall under your suggested ban/removal).

Yes, CR can do more. I think that by proposing better parental restrictions is not a bad thing; my hope is that it would cease with the constant censorship on shows on this site, but it would need to be done in a way which would work to both benefits - provide better restrictions to keep adult content away from minors and provide uncensored content for mature audiences.

This still does not mean parents does not have a role in any of this. Without parents taking interest into what their children are watching, you are still putting up a low scale fence that anyone under age can easily climb over.
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Posted 7/17/11

wakameyum wrote:
There are many sides in this argument and many factors to be considered; which is why I wanted to have this debate before any formal complaint was filed.

So does NicoNico get a free pass on this debate and any subsequent complaint? After all, they simulcast the same series you are complaining about a full week before Crunchyroll, and only to the United States.

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wakameyum wrote:

They are highschool students that clearly appear to me to be underage. Although I will not argue that the appearance of a character is highly subjective.

There are many sides in this argument and many factors to be considered; which is why I wanted to have this debate before any formal complaint was filed.


While we will clearly not be able to agree on this particular instance, I think we can all agree that Crunchyroll is not doing enough to label and make the necessary tools available to restrict access to this material.

Does anyone not think Crunchyroll could not do more?


I'm inclined to go with other posters here. Yes, they CAN do more, but why should they HAVE to? The content isn't exactly standard fare to be sure but honestly have you made such a stink over other shows on this site? Why this one specifically? Because of two implied scenes of adult actions? Are you really that offended about the goings on in that 15 seconds?
If you're going to try to bring the hammer down on this then you should do it for every show that's got some sort of "naughty" content on this site. Don't be half-assed with this. What I wonder is why you even care what other people do with their lives, underage or no. It's none of your business. Are your kids watching these shows and that's what offended you?
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Posted 7/17/11 , edited 7/17/11

VSorceress wrote:

I watched the first episode. Im not so stubborn in my beliefs to not clearly see your concerns are valid. But even with that being said, I still stand by my original post. I just don't agree with regional blocking or censorship. Adults should be able to watch adult-related content as it is intended by the creator, and I do not feel that CR is a site just for kid friendly shows (if it was, the would be a whole list of shows that would fall under your suggested ban/removal).

Yes, CR can do more. I think that by proposing better parental restrictions is not a bad thing; my hope is that it would cease with the constant censorship on shows on this site, but it would need to be done in a way which would work to both benefits - provide better restrictions to keep adult content away from minors and provide uncensored content for mature audiences.

This still does not mean parents does not have a role in any of this. Without parents taking interest into what their children are watching, you are still putting up a low scale fence that anyone under age can easily climb over.



This particular series aside, I completely agree with you. Have censored material as a default, and if you prove your age to watch adult material then I certainly see no issue with it. People will find ways to get around it I am sure, but the protocols should still be put in place. I actually think that Crunchyroll could increase its number of viewers by offering uncensored content.


I am not advocating a general increase in censorship, only an update and enforcement of the protocols for ensuring that mature content is only available to adults, and in this particular case I am against R-15 solely for its depcition of sexual acts between minors and minors/adults.

Just because underage people will find ways to get alcohol/tobacco does not mean they should stop checking IDs.
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Posted 7/17/11 , edited 7/17/11

wakameyum wrote:

If those were real highschool kids I don't think we would be having this discussion; which is the purpose of that law, to clearly outline that the depictions of children in sexual encounters are not allowed in the U.S.


For Raetus: Crunchyroll is obligated to put the appropriate safeguards in place. If you select to turn "mature content off" R-15 is still right there and able to be watched. Can you say that is not mature content at the very least?


oh for the love of god they are FICTIONAL characters .deep breath if they where real high school kids then most would be cam whoring them self on you-tube and face book, yeah I am being a cynical bastard here but go for it man really just go for it.
Posted 7/17/11

wakameyum wrote:

If those were real highschool kids I don't think we would be having this discussion; which is the purpose of that law, to clearly outline that the depictions of children in sexual encounters are not allowed in the U.S.


Did you just admit that if they are 2D characters then we wouldn't have this discussion? Guess what, they ARE 2D characters.
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what I don't get is you're making such a big stink about a dream within a dream that didn't actually happen. Kid you not, the two scenes are both thought up by an anime character and never went anywhere
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tycho0042 wrote:


wakameyum wrote:

They are highschool students that clearly appear to me to be underage. Although I will not argue that the appearance of a character is highly subjective.

There are many sides in this argument and many factors to be considered; which is why I wanted to have this debate before any formal complaint was filed.


While we will clearly not be able to agree on this particular instance, I think we can all agree that Crunchyroll is not doing enough to label and make the necessary tools available to restrict access to this material.

Does anyone not think Crunchyroll could not do more?


I'm inclined to go with other posters here. Yes, they CAN do more, but why should they HAVE to? The content isn't exactly standard fare to be sure but honestly have you made such a stink over other shows on this site? Why this one specifically? Because of two implied scenes of adult actions? Are you really that offended about the goings on in that 15 seconds?
If you're going to try to bring the hammer down on this then you should do it for every show that's got some sort of "naughty" content on this site. Don't be half-assed with this. What I wonder is why you even care what other people do with their lives, underage or no. It's none of your business. Are your kids watching these shows and that's what offended you?



I generally don't have an issue with the ecchi genre, which typically displays sexual overtones, and brief glimpses of underwear and the such. I really don't have an issue with the so called "naughty" aspects of many of the series, not my thing but I will not fault anyone else for watching them. Even if you go so far as the transformation scenes that show partial nudity I have no issue with it as it is not sexual. I don't think there is anything sexual about a person falling over and exposing their underwear, or if someone transforms and is nude during the transformation.

If it was highly sexual content of adults I would not be arguing that it be taken down, I would say to restrict it to adults only.

Ask yourself how other series tend to do this? They show the person daydreaming, zoned out, red faced, and a nose bleed. The implication is certainly there but it is completely different.


The issue I have is the overt display of highly sexual content of minors, that is being made available.
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Another white knight in the anime forum? Seriously though, if you want to complain about this stuff go talk to the site admin, go ask the proper authority to take it down or at least DO SOMETHING about this rather than making this thread which yields nothing.

For using the white knight trolling routine, 3/10 for making me crack a smile.

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