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R-15 Should be removed
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Posted 7/17/11

AsuraCryin wrote:


wakameyum wrote:

If those were real highschool kids I don't think we would be having this discussion; which is the purpose of that law, to clearly outline that the depictions of children in sexual encounters are not allowed in the U.S.


Did you just admit that if they are 2D characters then we wouldn't have this discussion? Guess what, they ARE 2D characters.


Please reread that post and think about it.
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Posted 7/17/11
Again, I can understand your concern with the minor/adult thing. Anyone who says those kids "look 18" is just being plain stubborn.

Folks there is nothing wrong with agreeing with the opposition on certain points where there is truth in the matter .

One last thing I will say is that if r15 is still being shown with the current mature filter on, that is an obvious mistake and it should be reported. It may not completely satisfy your quest to have better controls, but what we currently have in place should also take care of some of your concerns.

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Posted 7/17/11


Just because underage people will find ways to get alcohol/tobacco does not mean they should stop checking IDs.


Not a bad idea we could use the extra tax revenue and allow natural selection to run its course.
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Posted 7/17/11
I'm surprised , I mean don't get why R-15 should be removed, in terms of ecchi/fanservice it is in par with We, Without Wings (especially episode 8 ),Kanokon, School Days, there is also Strike Witches 2(slightly), Charger Girl Ju-den Chan all of which are on Crunchyroll. I suppose measures should be made to make it harder, if not impossible, for minors to get access to anime that are inappropriate for their age group, but the whole focus on R-15 is ridiculous lol that anime fits right in with the other anime on CR I'm against censoring but I can tolerate it when watching anime, tv show etc.
In short: R-15 should not be removed

Here is something I suggest CR should do:
Enforce stricter access but at the same time stream uncensored/uncut anime
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oh yeah, nevermind the real porn which is so easy to find, you're worried about the children seeing panty shots, quit picking on the anime and protest on other websites about the hardcore sex scenes uncensored which are practically everywhere.
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Posted 7/17/11

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I generally don't have an issue with the ecchi genre, which typically displays sexual overtones, and brief glimpses of underwear and the such. I really don't have an issue with the so called "naughty" aspects of many of the series, not my thing but I will not fault anyone else for watching them. Even if you go so far as the transformation scenes that show partial nudity I have no issue with it as it is not sexual. I don't think there is anything sexual about a person falling over and exposing their underwear, or if someone transforms and is nude during the transformation.

If it was highly sexual content of adults I would not be arguing that it be taken down, I would say to restrict it to adults only.

Ask yourself how other series tend to do this? They show the person daydreaming, zoned out, red faced, and a nose bleed. The implication is certainly there but it is completely different.


The issue I have is the overt display of highly sexual content of minors, that is being made available.


the point is it NEVER happened. He dreamt it up, which was part of why he was in that school. He was some kind of genius ero writer.
He dreams that sort of stuff up a LOT it seems, so it's likely he wouldn't get all red faced about it or get a nose bleed. Besides, would it be any better if he did get the usual pervert features?
I'm starting to agree with a couple other posters, that you're just trolling now under some white knight facade.
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Posted 7/17/11 , edited 7/17/11

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wakameyum


I generally don't have an issue with the ecchi genre, which typically displays sexual overtones, and brief glimpses of underwear and the such. I really don't have an issue with the so called "naughty" aspects of many of the series, not my thing but I will not fault anyone else for watching them. Even if you go so far as the transformation scenes that show partial nudity I have no issue with it as it is not sexual. I don't think there is anything sexual about a person falling over and exposing their underwear, or if someone transforms and is nude during the transformation.

If it was highly sexual content of adults I would not be arguing that it be taken down, I would say to restrict it to adults only.

Ask yourself how other series tend to do this? They show the person daydreaming, zoned out, red faced, and a nose bleed. The implication is certainly there but it is completely different.


The issue I have is the overt display of highly sexual content of minors, that is being made available.


the point is it NEVER happened. He dreamt it up, which was part of why he was in that school. He was some kind of genius ero writer.
He dreams that sort of stuff up a LOT it seems, so it's likely he wouldn't get all red faced about it or get a nose bleed. Besides, would it be any better if he did get the usual pervert features?
I'm starting to agree with a couple other posters, that you're just trolling now under some white knight facade.



I'm not trolling, this is a real issue which is why I also created the other thread in the site feedback section of the forums. Which for some reason only one person has contributed to even though it seems most people agree that crunchyroll could be doing more to offer filters for mature content.

As for your argument that it "Never happened".....does that mean if it was not in his daydream that you would be against it? Just because it is a dream within a fictional media does not mean it is not overly graphic sexual material of minors. That is the whole point of that law.


This thread has now also gone beyond the initial topic of just this series so I would like to add that I would argue that the "news" section that contains the graphic death scenes would also be very mature material and should be able to be filtered. I don't think that animations of people being shot to death to the point of their heads being ripped open is appropriate either. I am not arguing that be removed, just filtered.



@Sudnifisent It is clear that you did not read the thread to determine exactly what my issue is. It is not "panty shots" that I have an issue with.
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wakameyum, after reading this whole pointless thread that you started your on my nerves. I have to agree with;

One your forcing your views and beliefs on everyone else (on your narrow minded INTERPRETATION of the law, that despite the points that proved you wrong you continue anyways)

Two: It is fake prove they are minors? I want to see birth certificates and ID's?

Three: It is censored what can you see? NOTHING

Four: Why should I suffer if I want to watch the show because you decided to get your panties in a wad? You know what I find Naruto offensive lets ban that (I don't but that's how self centered you sound) does that sound right?

Five: If you don't like it or it offends you easy fix DON'T Watch It!!!

Six: What more do you want CR to do? the are really no ways to verify age on the internet, If identity was so easy to verify on the net would all this ID theft be going on? So be a parent and get off your but and monitor you children!

Seven: I want the time you made me waste reading your thread back and GET OVER YOURSELF!!!!!!
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Posted 7/17/11

wakameyum


As for your argument that it "Never happened".....does that mean if it was not in his daydream that you would be against it? Just because it is a dream within a fictional media does not mean it is not overly graphic sexual material of minors. That is the whole point of that law.


This thread has now also gone beyond the initial topic of just this series so I would like to add that I would argue that the "news" section that contains the graphic death scenes would also be very mature material and should be able to be filtered. I don't think that animations of people being shot to death to the point of their heads being ripped open is appropriate either. I am not arguing that be removed, just filtered.



@Sudnifisent It is clear that you did not read the thread to determine exactly what my issue is. It is not "panty shots" that I have an issue with.


I'm against pedophilia and lolicon as much as the next reasonable adult is. But what I was seeing is that no actual sexual content occurred thus no harm no foul. The student in the opening scene could very well have been an 18 year old senior. She then again might not have. We don't know, but I think it's pointless to get this worked up over what might have been especially in the light that nothing actually happened. No sex occurred.
Posted 7/17/11
So, OP, you want shows like this?



The law protects anything that has artistic value, and the anime does have literary/artistic value - to tell a story.
Posted 7/17/11
I just read the entire law and the laws withing the law if that makes sense. lol.

eh. That law is being seriously overblown. As long as you don't see explicit sexual conduct where genitals are exposed, or minors being overtly sexually abused, there shouldn't be any legal problems because that would be "obscene" (keyword). Remember there is a big difference between ecchi and hentai. Sure, if you read the law to the word, it may sound like a big and scary law for shows like R-15 and Yosuga No Sora (two examples). But you have to remember the main intention of the law(the one we're talking about) is to protect REAL minors, and to make possession of child pornography a felony. If you think ecchi shows constitute as child pornography, there's really nothing to be said, except don't watch those shows.

But I do think Crunchyroll should slap a little warning label and be done with it. There problem solved.
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Posted 7/17/11

AsuraCryin wrote:

So, OP, you want shows like this?



The law protects anything that has artistic value, and the anime does have literary/artistic value - to tell a story.


The implied scenes in r-15 weren't for artistic value lol. it was for gratification of fans and to illustrate that the protagonist is a perv.
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Posted 7/17/11

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wakameyum, after reading this whole pointless thread that you started your on my nerves. I have to agree with;

One your forcing your views and beliefs on everyone else (on your narrow minded INTERPRETATION of the law, that despite the points that proved you wrong you continue anyways)

Two: It is fake prove they are minors? I want to see birth certificates and ID's?

Three: It is censored what can you see? NOTHING

Four: Why should I suffer if I want to watch the show because you decided to get your panties in a wad? You know what I find Naruto offensive lets ban that (I don't but that's how self centered you sound) does that sound right?

Five: If you don't like it or it offends you easy fix DON'T Watch It!!!

Six: What more do you want CR to do? the are really no ways to verify age on the internet, If identity was so easy to verify on the net would all this ID theft be going on? So be a parent and get off your but and monitor you children!

Seven: I want the time you made me waste reading your thread back and GET OVER YOURSELF!!!!!!



1) Yes, I am pushing my ideals. I recognize that I will not be successful in having it removed, which is the point of the other thread which calls for stricter mature filters and age verification.

2) That has never been a necessary part of the law.

3) Again, not a necessary part of the law.

4) R-15 aside, you shouldnt be punished for my views, thats why age verification and ratings are important.

5) I agree, and I will not watch it, however having now seen it I am obligated to make my case.

6) Yes, you can verify age on the internet, there are numerous sites specifically for it. As others have pointed out Crunchyroll could offer uncensored mature content to verified individuals. This would probably boost their revenues as well. I am 100% for this idea and I hope that if you support it you will go to the other thread in the feedback section and suggest it. (not r-15 though)

7) Please reference your fifth point.
Posted 7/17/11
Just over one scene in the beginning that's also... Censored LOL. And there are plenty of Animes out there that have suggestive themes and i don't see them cut off. .
Posted 7/17/11

tycho0042 wrote:

The implied scenes in r-15 weren't for artistic value lol. it was for gratification of fans and to illustrate that the protagonist is a perv.


Artistic value is one of the things protect, there are other things protected such as literary value which may be the case for R-15. I was just giving an example. I'll do more research on the law.
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