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Posted 7/26/11 , edited 7/26/11
if that girl from the future who revield her self as jhon titor went back to the past in the time machine it means that A. the timeline changed a little a B. she wouldnt be there to stop cern when they made the surprise attack. so if the time line is changed and okarin isnt destained to use the time leap why is cern not able to take them hostage and how did okarin even use the time machine if he has gun pointed at him preventing him from doing anything but to start walking in the car and being taken to a base?
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she is fated to die, mayrui is unless he can undo all of the changes that he caused and go to a completely different time line/world. It doesn't matter if he kills off ever single member of sern she will still die. That's the point until okrian goes back to the very very first d-mail and stops himself.. then it will sill happen.. now think what was the very first d-mail.... that's what split him in to world b
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comment fail create youre own thread if you want to figure out how were gonna solve the 1 % divergence thing. im trying to find out if anyone has a F***** clue how okarin could have used the time leap if hes sourned by people with guns if that girl from the future isnt there to take everyone out. you can also place other errors if you want but this isnt the right thread to disscuss how hes gona save mayuri.
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Posted 7/26/11

Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:



she is fated to die, mayrui is unless he can undo all of the changes that he caused and go to a completely different time line/world. It doesn't matter if he kills off ever single member of sern she will still die. That's the point until okrian goes back to the very very first d-mail and stops himself.. then it will sill happen.. now think what was the very first d-mail.... that's what split him in to world b


however scince its already posted here ill reply. this is true but dont you think if he stops that crisu well also die seeing without that message she was murdered? is it really worth it? at this point he will be tradeing 2 lives for 1? he has known mayuri longer and is a "mad scientist" but i cant imagine him wanting to do that. however he might do that not realizing the consequences. alternatively if he is able to find the old computer he needed (cant rember the name right now) he might be able to do something.
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Posted 7/26/11

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Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:



she is fated to die, mayrui is unless he can undo all of the changes that he caused and go to a completely different time line/world. It doesn't matter if he kills off ever single member of sern she will still die. That's the point until okrian goes back to the very very first d-mail and stops himself.. then it will sill happen.. now think what was the very first d-mail.... that's what split him in to world b


however scince its already posted here ill reply. this is true but dont you think if he stops that crisu well also die seeing without that message she was murdered? is it really worth it? at this point he will be tradeing 2 lives for 1? he has known mayuri longer and is a "mad scientist" but i cant imagine him wanting to do that. however he might do that not realizing the consequences. alternatively if he is able to find the old computer he needed (cant rember the name right now) he might be able to do something.


at this point i really don't know there are multpile endings from the source material but one is where he tricks moeka with a fake body of crisu because if she is alive or around him then mayuri is still fated to die no matter what. However it might be a little different in the anime adpation so all you can do is root for that, i am just personally speaking from playing the game. The first d-mail he sent was to try to stop/prevent crisu death... that was the cause in to this madness, so by doint what I just stated is the only way to avoid that fate.
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that still makes no scence if he reverted to world a crisu would be destined to die.wouldnt it not matter what mokea thinks because crisu would be destined to die in world a? is this another plot hole?
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I'm pretty sure that hadn't happened yet when Okabe sent the dmail to stop Suzuha from coming to 2010. He wouldn't need the opening to time leap to get away in that worldline. And I think he says that event keeps happening later and later the more he undoes the dmails. I'd have to re watch some episodes to be sure though.

And even if Suzuha doesn't create the opening, there's nothing that says it couldn't have happened another way. And in this worldline, does Moeka commit suicide before or after that? Goodness, I'm going to have to re-watch the series just to get all this different timelines straight.
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animefan174 wrote:

if that girl from the future who revield her self as jhon titor went back to the past in the time machine it means that A. the timeline changed a little a B. she wouldnt be there to stop cern when they made the surprise attack. so if the time line is changed and okarin isnt destained to use the time leap why is cern not able to take them hostage and how did okarin even use the time machine if he has gun pointed at him preventing him from doing anything but to start walking in the car and being taken to a base?


Good point. Could the answer be that Okabe knows when SERN will attack, so he just runs to the Microwave Phone(Name Subject to Change) and time leaps before he is taken prisoner? Not sure if this makes any more sense then the original plot hole you mentioned.

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There really is too many things right now that can change. I believe that Okabe knew when Mayurii was fated to die so he went back into the past before they were all killed. But I don't remember if Moeka had killed herself before this had happened, and also, in the world line B (Where Mayurii dies but Kurisu lives) it looks to me that Okabe cannot die at that time because he is not fated to die at that time, even when he tries to save Mayurii by running into a car Mayurii still dies and he still lives.

When John Titor went back in time she did change the time line a little bit, because it showed in the invention Okabe had made in the future. John Titor was trying to change the divergence point by going back in time but did little because she the time machine was broken and somehow messed up her memory for the I think 40 years she lived? since she went back to the year 1975 when Sern had made their first time machine, so i'm guessing the world line didn't even move since all she did was live a normal persons life so the same things were going to happen in World Line B as she had left it.

So to say again, John Titor was not able to change the world line at all, she technically just was another person in the passed living a normal persons life and did nothing to change the future. Okabe knew when the "rounders" were going to attack so he reverted to the past when he figured they were coming or when Mayurii died, and also Okabe could not die because he was not fated to die at that time so nothing could technically kill him, so even when he was captured and in a van he would somehow escape, maybe death is the only thing that is certain in the world lines? Which is my take on the question anyway.

One big question i would like to ask though since it kinda led up to this is.
Does the time machine that John Titor used, change the fate of the person who uses it in that same World Line? Since John Titor was supposed to die after 2036, but somehow she died in 2010. If Mayurii and John Titor used the time machine to go back in time like a month earlier would Mayurii's fate be changed? I am going to repost this question
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