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I wanted to bring this to your attention because I have some issues with this and why it was approved

This person is a captain without a bankai.I'm not saying that is a bad thing nor a good thing because of Zaraki Kenpachi but hey.The thing I have an issue with is this segment of his Shikai with seems more an over power Bankai.


Notice how his moves (Which there are none listed)become stronger as the fight goes on.Now he tried to make it legit by saying "However, the more he fights his sanity slips." which is fine but then there is this" Eventually, his skin darkens and his eyes completely lose their pupils as he gives into the insanity, which increases all of his physical abilities though he lacks the reason to use them properly"That is not a drawback.Yes he does not know friend from foe but that does not mean he will not just continue to fight until his power just simply becomes stronger then the opponent.Its obviously over powered and should be reviewed and revised.But this is your choice and I will respect whatever decision you make on the matter.
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Yeah I was thinking the same thing when reading but I have RP with this guy and he isnt a god modder which is why I aprroved it but if you have problem I will ask him to change it...
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I am thinking a vrius spreading storyline is goign to happen in soul society
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So many trollish things and people taking what I'm saying out of context. I didn't say ranks aren't important or they don't matter, just that they're only a idea of their power. Only Nazis say ranks determine if you win or lose.Also, I believe roleplaying skills exceed anything else when it's broken down. When Kurama said it's about taking on the character fully, don't forget people's bios state how experience and skilled their are. As one could refuse to rank up.As my second character Xanatos did. You can refuse to rank up, but at the same note its like saying "whatever position you sign up as is where you are." Then theoretically if all Captain slots are taken, then that must mean no one can be equal in terms of character strength to said Captains. Ranks are used for general order, but we have seen Canon facts of characters being more than their ranks, as many have shown able to become Captains if it is wished. Ex: Ikkaku and Renji both can become Captains by having the test of Bankai being done.

Rank is just a general idea and general concept, and over ideal of power. One can't be weaker than one's rank as you cannot obtain that rank otherwise, but you can sure as hell be higher than that rank. Basically, I could have said Xanatos was a former Captain and chose to be a 3rd seat, but that sounds cruddy. I chose him to withheld his promotions and wait for an opportunity to rise in his favored Division. That in a sense is good story line, rather than the former choice given.

As craztwargod said, there's no level or stats or anything. There's only the base strength given at the creation period and then training and "practice" gained after words, like mastering Banaki. Xin doesn't use his shikai ever, everyone thinks he's just another Zaraki or weaker Genryuusai. So if he ever obtains bankai, of course he would need to train and master it. But in ShadowKurama's ideal of ranks mean everything, well that's foolish as ranks are limited as in only 13 people can be a certain rank level. But I agree that if everyone COULD be Captain then there's no point in ranks. But he forgets, this is an RP group for Bleach. How many Fanboys/Fangirls will want to be a Captain? For reals now, so in human nature we can't limit it to available positions.

Another point is if we have organizations outside of the Gotei 13, like a Vizard group. How would we gauge their strength? They could say they were a "Lieutenant" level or "Captain" level but then that's what everyone is arguing about, which throws in inconsistency. There's also "He was a former captain" then there's the problems of interstory clashing as in someone might put he was always the Captains of a certain Squad since they allowed a new Captain, but then someone else says they were a former Captain for it. This would bring up age and eras into question, which is a bit messy. If one argues for a definite rank system then one will argue a definite story system.

I jokingly but somewhat seriously said. If we REALLY want to take this and do it proper, which I have NO problems with really, we can all start at Shino Academy and work out way up and hollows can be like Leech and "eat their way up" oh boy I had dirty thoughts tee hee. And quincies.....well they work on their aim with NPC Quincy Masters. But people could also always power mod through these training stations but I guess it's better than what we got now, as we can at least have roleplaying evince to back it up. rather than people complaining that other people's Bios are nonsense. If you want Bios to be realistic then we all start at Shino Academy, if not then people are most likely gonna place their character at whatever caliber, experience, skill, weakness, and story line as they want as the Roleplaying is about creativity and it brings that out of people.
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As one could refuse to rank up.As my second character Xanatos did. You can refuse to rank up, but at the same note its like saying "whatever position you sign up as is where you are." Then theoretically if all Captain slots are taken, then that must mean no one can be equal in terms of character strength to said Captains.

That is not what it is saying. It is saying that when you create your character with it being a certain rank you should not have a power level far beyond that rank i.e 3rd seat with the power level of captain. You can obtain those levels of power by actually going through rp to achieve it.

Canon facts of characters being more than their ranks, as many have shown able to become Captains if it is wished. Ex: Ikkaku and Renji both can become Captains by having the test of Bankai being done.

Having a bankai does not make you a captain. This was proven by Byakuya fighting Renji. Renji may have his bankai but he is a far cry from being a captain. Ikkaku is the same way.

Basically, I could have said Xanatos was a former Captain and chose to be a 3rd seat, but that sounds cruddy. I chose him to withheld his promotions and wait for an opportunity to rise in his favored Division.

There isn't a difference in the statements above. Saying he was a former captain or saying he is as strong as a captain but chose to not take promotions are exactly the same. It perpetuates the idea of your rank means nothing. "I'm as strong as the 1st espada but I remained a adjuchas non arrancar hollow. Is that acceptable?

But I agree that if everyone COULD be Captain then there's no point in ranks. But he forgets, this is an RP group for Bleach. How many Fanboys/Fangirls will want to be a Captain? For reals now, so in human nature we can't limit it to available positions.

We can limit it to the first come first serve basis as that is pretty much the way of the world. All other will just need to grow through their rp sense. If that is too much to ask then they probably shouldn't be rping anyway. Like crazywargod said though, this is casual rp so I understand where you get this sense of allowing people to have a little more strength than their rank. I put strong emphasis on the "little". A third seat being as strong as a captain is a rare thing. To show it's rarity we shouldn't allow it to be placed in a bio.

Another point is if we have organizations outside of the Gotei 13, like a Vizard group. How would we gauge their strength? They could say they were a "Lieutenant" level or "Captain" level but then that's what everyone is arguing about, which throws in inconsistency. There's also "He was a former captain" then there's the problems of interstory clashing as in someone might put he was always the Captains of a certain Squad since they allowed a new Captain, but then someone else says they were a former Captain for it. This would bring up age and eras into question, which is a bit messy. If one argues for a definite rank system then one will argue a definite story system.

We don't have a way to sign up to be a vizard. It is only able to be gained through rp. So it shouldn't be in anyone's bio at all. What will happen is you will make a character. If you so choose to be a vizard you take whatever position we have open then you can covert it over. This stops the story mixing because they only branch from open spots.

If you want Bios to be realistic then we all start at Shino Academy, if not then people are most likely gonna place their character at whatever caliber, experience, skill, weakness, and story line as they want as the Roleplaying is about creativity and it brings that out of people.

Just putting it out there. My bio showed my human life, then death, then starting new life, then going through the acad.

Anyway nothing here really matters because things won't change because this is a casual rp. People are allowed to do things that more hardcore RP people look down on. Doing RP here means that we have to accept it. As much as I don't want to I will overlook these casual rp things but I will continue to rp to a level that I find acceptable.
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That is not what it is saying. It is saying that when you create your character with it being a certain rank you should not have a power level far beyond that rank i.e 3rd seat with the power level of captain. You can obtain those levels of power by actually going through rp to achieve it.

Well see, I could just become a captain and make him Captian level but I wouldn't be allowed to Digress into a different position. It's only storywise that gets conflicted. There ARE Captain Spots available but I don't want him IN that position. I said already he was offered a spot already as being found worthy.

Having a bankai does not make you a captain. This was proven by Byakuya fighting Renji. Renji may have his bankai but he is a far cry from being a captain. Ikkaku is the same way.

In that anime/manga it does as you CAN become a Captain with just having Bankai. Doesn't mean they're gonna be a great captain, that is uncertain. Having bankai is the MINIMAL requirement to become a Captain as Hitsugaya as barely mastered his Bankai, which is an example of someone who could can use Bankai and probably got accepted along with his intellect which makes it less shady.

There isn't a difference in the statements above. Saying he was a former captain or saying he is as strong as a captain but chose to not take promotions are exactly the same. It perpetuates the idea of your rank means nothing. "I'm as strong as the 1st espada but I remained a adjuchas non arrancar hollow. Is that acceptable?

You can't compare the Hollwo system to a Gotei 13 system as Hollows powers are absolutely and undoubtedly shown through there evolution. Where as some people in Gotei Earn their spots, given their spots or aspite that spot. An average hollow could never be as strong as an espada as their forms are created by GAINING power and such. But in a sense, through RP if one was like the 9th Espada and could gain power limitless, they could.

We can limit it to the first come first serve basis as that is pretty much the way of the world. All other will just need to grow through their rp sense. If that is too much to ask then they probably shouldn't be rping anyway. Like crazywargod said though, this is casual rp so I understand where you get this sense of allowing people to have a little more strength than their rank. I put strong emphasis on the "little". A third seat being as strong as a captain is a rare thing. To show it's rarity we shouldn't allow it to be placed in a bio.

First come first serve IS how things work in life, but in roleplay where people are allowed to make their stories and backgrounds the rank system is blurred as in the Canon Bleach the rank system is already blurred. And by not allowing it in a bio, someone who WANTS to not be in a certain position won't have that choice as the would either HAVE to take their Promotion. Which Ikkau didn't want, hence why he HIDES HIS BANKAI. Meaning with his Banaki Revealed he'd be pestered to take a Captain spot. But he wants to die under his Captain's command. As my Character Xanatos ONLY wants the 2nd Division.

We don't have a way to sign up to be a vizard. It is only able to be gained through rp. So it shouldn't be in anyone's bio at all. What will happen is you will make a character. If you so choose to be a vizard you take whatever position we have open then you can covert it over. This stops the story mixing because they only branch from open spots.

That's true and I've seen it done, but it gives less room to imrpove and such as there's no way to gauge improvement and if everyone is already at a set level as you proposed, then how would any improve? I am NOT saying everyone should be Captain level, but everyone will try to. IF everyone has a Bankai, everyone is illegible to be a Captain. If they can BEAT a Captain, there eligible to be a Captain, if they're recommended, then they're eligible to be a Captain.

So besides someone messing up and losing while in a Captain position, in your theoretical system, they can NEVER lose. Unless one power trumps another power logic.


Just putting it out there. My bio showed my human life, then death, then starting new life, then going through the acad.

That's good, that's a nice aspect

Anyway nothing here really matters because things won't change because this is a casual rp. People are allowed to do things that more hardcore RP people look down on. Doing RP here means that we have to accept it. As much as I don't want to I will overlook these casual rp things but I will continue to rp to a level that I find acceptable.

There will always be someone who thinks someone else's RP is too casual are not up to par. As I said, Shino Academy is the only real way to truly make people not be overpowered. It can even be argued that just by signing up as a Captain is considered too much as you never earned it and only reason for getting in one who could put by having a Bankai.

Someone else will say, you have to EARN the bankai, so train with Shikai. Then onwards until someone has to earn shkai, earn they way into Shino Academy , talk to inner zanpaktou spirit which is the last real step into being a soul reaper.

Signing UP as Captain is just the same as writing you're as strong as a Captain. There's no different meaning besides an Position was open.

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Signing UP as Captain is just the same as writing you're as strong as a Captain. There's no different meaning besides an Position was open.

Let me translate what you just said here. Everyone can be a captain and those that are captain aren't in fact stronger than a 3rd seat because it can just be said in a bio that they are captain level. So in turn every position can be filled with a captain. This brings it back to your rank means nothing.


I don't know why this quote was even needed. At the end of my post I tried to put an end to the back and forth but it wasn't understood. I'll say it clearer. You see things in a different light than me. Our points while both valid are not able to coincide. Nothing will be gained by these talks so I'm through having it. We can agree to disagree.
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I'm only replying as you give off the vibe that your situation isn't full of flaws. And theoretically, if our Gotei 13 was that beast, it be quite useful to have so many Captain levels. But anyways, those who are the 13 best would end up as Captains. But the requirement for being a Captains still stand.

But yeah, whatever as you quoted me first. I do disagree so its alright if you do too
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So about a punishment for losing a battle...
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I think possibly zanpaktou should be broken for a week. ((not really real time.)) But like missing 2-3 MAJOR battles or Story Battles. Something like that. Or recovery room thing where we need to roleplay back to health. Near death takes more time then serious or fatal blow, ect.

Any ideas on your part? I don't think death is something our creator would prefer. Also not too many dying shinigami characters, well important ones besides filler ones dying.
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I think a recovery process should be punishment.

Also since were on the subject I think that Unless your a kido master like hachi and kido captain. You shouldnt be using a bunch of high level kidos at a time. This includes everyone and I am talking to eveyrone.
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Alright, I will make sure to remember that.
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The reiatsu thing is kinda how Zaraki did with his reiatsu subconciously, as it was early in the series and basically people need to sharpen their swords to do it, but I actually want to take it out and just do it normally as all shinigami did. and I guess being in second division hakuda and shunpo would be his best skills as he would only be an expert swordsman but not a master as he doesnt own a sword.

and the kido thing was just bad rping on my part, wasnt at my top game so my bad. I wasnt far off but indeed was a bit exaggerated.
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