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I only became interested in the manga at all because I found out about the ending.

Knowing that going in, there were hints everywhere that they weren't related and honestly it was done in a great way, not like you would expect from most manga.

Things like this happen all the time, ignoring that is just silly
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magicuser360 wrote:

And well, at least Rin was of legal age before anything happened, unlike many times in the past where the caretaker was basically raising/grooming the little girl to grow up one day to be his wife. Wife-husbandry.

This is actually why the ending didn't bother me so much. Wife husbandry is pretty abhorrent in my opinion as it betrays the trust that a minor should have in their guardian. However since Daikichi never raised her with that in mind, Rin was the pursuer, and Daikichi specifically made her wait until she was old enough and enough time had passed that he felt she could make a decision responsibly, it made it so that Daikichi never came across as a douchebag.

I mean its an unlikely fantasy situation that would probably never come up in real life, as real life would probably be a lot uglier if that type of situation were to occur, but if this specific situation did come up in real life and I was present for the entire thing and knew all the circumstances I would probably think it was abnormal to be sure, but wouldn't think it was inherently bad, as the most abhorrent part of this type of situation in real life is that it would almost always come from an abuse of parent child trust.

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so i just finished the anime a week ago....just finished the manga 3 days ago....now here's my opinion of it (not that it really matters but oh well )....So when I finished the anime I was satisfied. This is one of the few anime/manga series that can be a bit more relatable to an "older audience" as well as provide great insight and understanding to the "younger" audience of the responsibilities (as well as rewards (like the precious moments with you children)) "Parenthood" brings. It ended beautifully and memorably, definitely an anime I wont forget. Then I proceeded to read the manga after hearing that the anime was based off of it..at first I was glad to see how the characters have grown after the time skip, how the relationships/bonds each character has with one another is still the same (or even stronger) and it brings me sort of a nostalgia of how the characters acted before to where they are now..I was a bit hesitant at first with the whole "Rin and Kouki" relationship, as I felt that Kouki still needed a bit more maturing towards his character..but after a couple chapters I was beginning to accept it, seeing that although Kouki was still the immature delinquent he was in the past, His care and affection for Rin was always present and strong..With Rin not liking him anymore because of the things that happened with them in middle school I thought were going to change so I wasnt expecting any major plot twists. For some odd reasons though, in the back of my mind, I felt as if Rin wasnt going to end up with Kouki. Nonetheless I ignored that thought and kept reading. Then Kouki's character started to lessen throughout the story and really wasnt appearing anymore, which kind of concerned me at first, but I disregarded it after they introduced another character (forgot his name and im too lazy to look it up ) who took interest in Rin...With Daikichi's story I felt he wasnt really in the "spotlight" toward the first few chapters of the timeskip so that Rin and Kouki's relationship would be the main focus of the storyline...The Daikichi started appearing more and more, which at first I started to enjoy because I always loved Daikichi's reflection on how he's raised Rin and how it has grown his character as well..but after a while it went from an enjoyment, to more of a "curiosity" as why Daikichi was being brought up more often and Kouki was being pushed back more. Though, I kept reading. Next was Yukari's remarriage...Yukari marrying someone else didnt really surprise though, the only thing that kept me a bit annoyed throughout the series is that you never really meet Yukari's husband..This really aggravated me personally because, although I did understand and sort of agree on why Yukari didnt marry Daikichi, Her remarrying someone she's known throughtout the timeskip, which we get no info or real backstory on him watsoever, felt like a "desparate" move from the mangaka. What i mean by "desparate" is that I personally felt that the mangaka couldnt find a way to get around the "ending" she (yes the mangaka is a female) wanted (which was the ending we recieved) without leaving Yukari with no one. So I believe that the mangaka just quickly wrote in the whole "remarry some random dude but leave almost no backstory on their personal character development" Just to make the ending possible..Now ill go back to Rin and the other character that was going to possibly build a relationship together but failed miserably (again cant remember his name but hes the guy that she went to the movies with ) this didnt really last long at all (maybe a chapter or 2 i believe) But it kind of serves as the beginning to Rin's attraction towards Daikichi..In the beginning I of the timeskip this possibiltiy came to mind (since it is a japanese manga after all, I dont mean to affend the japanese though :sweatingbullets:) but I completely dismissed it since I dint really think the author would completely changed the themes and morals the story had established in the beginning..But once I started noticing Rin thinking more and more of her relationship with Daikichi, Her desire to become a caretaker to help Daikichi once he got older, Rin's thought on what she would be like as a mother and Rin meeting with her mother kind of brought that possibily closer to consideration...Then Kouki notices and addresses the situation, which Rin unfortunately accepts as fact...Rin likes Daikichi...Then we get Kouki telling Daikichi to be with Rin, which kind of pissed me off at first..I mean seeing Daikichi always being a bit immature I really thought he wasnt going to support the idea of Daikichi being with Rin...But then I came to the conclusion that the reason why he supports the relationship IS entirely because of his immaturity and, lets face the elephant in the room people, his stupidity. If this were a realistic situation, it wouldnt have gone down like that...oh well, after all that, I decided I had to finish this all the way through..well Daikichi finds out Rin likes him, he gets mad then confused, Rin finds out (as well as Daikichi) that she is not blood related with Daikichi whatsoever, which in turn causes her to accept her love for Daikichi and determination to win him over, Daikichi is still hesitant towards her desicion and tells her to wait 2 years and then he might possibly consider, Then 2 years pass, she graduates without getting a SINGLE boyfriend or anyone else at all to develop a relationship with, tells Daikichi that she wants to bear a child with him since she knows that they will raise the child well, and they live "happily ever after"...Now after reading it all and finishing, the only facial expression I could make was for a while... ....Ok heres the thing..I loved the first part of the story as I mentioned in the beginning..But the second part I still cant come up with a real honest opinion of what I think of it..My main reason being that I personally felt as if all the themes/morals the author gave in the first part of the series were completely thrown out of the window in the second part....In NO WAY is this ending relatable to "Older" and/or "Younger" audiences...the possibility of a situation that happens in Usagi drop is VERRY UNLIKELY, though i cannot say impossible since there have been odd cases of relationships before and still occur to this day...another gripe I have with the ending is that although They are not Blood related and even if they do have a MAJOR age difference (celebrities/famous people have huge age difference relationships all of the time) I personally think their relationship will always remain a bit "awkward". I think the main reason is because of "father and daughter" relationship they have always had..Daikichi always (and even till the end) looks at Rin as a "daughter", and even though Rin never realy addresses it, Looks upon Daikichi as sort of a "Father"...This bond that they have together would make it really difficult to just rearrange into a "husband and wife" relationship...You cant just say "I love him like a dad and a husband" because honestly, that's just weird..Another thing about the ending that kind of aggravates me is that I really felt that in the beginning of the time skip the author had plans to have Kouki and Rin together, and then just decided to throw that out the window as well. I was really liking their relationship, seeing all the back story and development the two were having together, then it just all disappeared in an instant really disapointed me...I was really hoping that the second half of the series would be Rin finding someone she would fall in love with, her asking Daikichi on support with her love life and him comically (but seriously at the same time) supporting her, Daikichi either marrying Yukari or ending up by himself (I honestly didn't think that Daikichi would end up with Yukari for some reason, even thought the first have of the series kind of establishes them as a family) Daikichi seeing Rin graduate, attend university, and marry with him being the "father" to walk her down the isle, and finally Seeing Daikichi die peacefully while reflecting his life spent with Rin (also Rin becoming a wonderful mother to her children and personally thanking Daikichi for it)...To me the ending i thought would've kept the same themes/morals the author portrayed towards the begging while adding a more mature and respectful "closure" the series...But im not the author so who cares right? just a personal opinion ....

Overall I have to say my opinion on this ending is NUETRAL. I didnt "love it" nor did I "Hate It". Although the ending has a TON of reasons why it completely dosent feel "right, In the end, Rin chose what she wanted and thats how it went. Remember, Daikichi always felt (and still does) feel a bit odd about the whole thing, But as long as Rin is happy, he is willing to cast aside his concern to keep her happy (though this does NOT mean that he will not love the child she bears or her at all). Also, It was the ending that the author decided so I really cant do anything about it ..so too sum EVERYTHING I SAID UP TILL NOW: If youve seen the anime and loved it, dont continue the manga, trust me you wont feel satisfied whatsoever, if you did finish the manga though, well Just be glad they arent related by Blood!
Posted 8/12/13
I actually really liked the entirety of the manga.

I liked the ending a lot - they're not related, Rin never saw Daikichi as her father ever (he was always "just Daikichi") and Daikichi's feelings evolved and he realized that he loved Rin as a woman, not as his daughter.

They work really well with each other and nothing was forced - everyone made their own decision and were given time to come to said decision.
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carlosyobani, your ending would have been way way better! I'm currently in the phase you described, wish I had not read the manga.
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I finally got around reading the manga and finished it. I felt the second half was so forced.

What bugs me is Daikichi's decision of leaving an open door for Rin's romantic feelings. He claims he raised her like if she was his daughter, sacrificed his years for her. And suddenly, he throws his parenting role out the window and wants to be with her? That character development doesn't make sense on its face.

Even though people say Daikichi felt the same feelings for Rin, I really didn't see that. He has been worrying about her since she was little. Of course, he cares and loves her, but that's because he is her guardian. It's his job to feel that way. To jump from a parenting love to a romantic love is quite a leap.

Parents have to stay as parents even when their kids don't want them or in this case, want to be with them romantically. That door should've been closed. Regardless if they are related or not, he is still her guardian.

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Posted 3/24/14
yeah the ending is the reason i've never picked up the manga
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I think of it like this, so what is the end result?

They aren't biologically related so it's not like they will have retarded babies.
They both have a close stable relationship. So it won't be a dysfunctional family.
He can legally marry her. He never adopted her, so technically she is stranger.

Honestly, if you simply took away the fact that he raised her which is a subjective prejudice, this is a pretty good relationship. There have been more dysfunctional relationships between people who would have been socially accepted.
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1) They're not biologically related. Never were. Never will be.

2) Even when she was a child, Rin never felt that Daikichi was her "father" - he was just someone she was very close to.

3) Daikichi viewed Rin as his adopted daughter...That is, until Rin told him how she felt. Over time, his feelings changed to a different view, prompted but not forced by Rin. He came to his own conclusion himself. He's human. Human feelings change.

4) It is most certainly NOT wife-husbandry - that is when you raise and groom a child (usually a girl) into your desired spouse with the absolute intention of one day marrying them when they are of proper age. Daikichi never had any intentions like that in the slightest. And neither did Rin. She fell in love with Daikichi for Daikichi - not anything else.

I do feel it would have been a better story if the manga had stayed the way it was during the course of the first 4 volumes - with Daikichi as Rin's adopted daddy. I think it would have been sweet, funny, touching and interesting to see Rin mature, and Daikichi grow through different parental experiences with her. The ending could have been something like Rin's graduation, or Daikichi giving Rin away to be married - the whole family theme running strong and reaching a heartwarming climax of a parent and child's relationship through the years. That would have been wonderful.

However, the author decided against that. To be honest, I felt volumes 5 - 9 were not so well written, turned into some strange school-life drama, then romance that needed more development. If the author had handled these things better - giving them more time, characterization and development to grow (on screen), I would have liked it more. Loved it even.

I'm fine with Daikichi ending up with Rin. It was odd at first, but then it grew on me, and was something I always suspected would happen (not because I wanted it to, but more of the fact of Rin's insistence that Daikichi was "just Daikichi" and not "daddy" to her ever.) I found the ending extremely, extremely touching. The key word here is that Rin NEVER saw Daikichi as her father, and Daikichi eventually changed his mind upon his own feelings. There is nothing "incesty" about it. They're not related, and feelings change over time. That's about it.





Is it everyone's cup of tea? No. But people are making too big a deal out of it. Don't like it? Move along then.

Honestly, what about the incest (REAL incest) in other series? Where are the people complaining about those? Like Oremio's implied full incest-ending!
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I'm a little sad that Daikichi didn't end up with Yukari.
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Posted 5/8/14 , edited 5/8/14
You know, all your points wouldn't have been an issue to the audience if the central theme of the manga wasn't changed. 3/4s of the manga is written in a way that while there are foreshadowing, the core of Daikichi and Rin's relationship is nothing romantic. It is presented as a heartwarming family bond which touched many audiences and helped them relate to the series. I was touched by it too.

It's got nothing to do with prejudice. It how the story leading to the ending is written.

Chances are, some of these people would welcome the big age differences and the non-blood related (but family) relationships.

It's just that the idea that Daikichi and Rin are not lovers is not established very well that the audience's perception solidified that this is a story about raising and loving a child that's not yours (regardless of the fact that Rin never considered Daikichi her father). The hints were so ambiguous and the foreshadowing is weak that the audience pictured a completely different ending.

If your favorite food would suddenly change it's main ingredient, wouldn't you be disappointed. too? No matter how reasonable the changes are, you still won't be satisfied. Whether you disagree or not, the tone of Daikichi and Rin's relationship changed and that's what disappoints many.

As a writer, I welcome and applaud plot twists and unexpected endings in stories. In Usagi Drop's case, the mangaka waited too long to reveal this twist. It's not subtlety because it is so ambiguous. The sharper bunch among us would be able to take it as signs when the story focuses more on Daikichi and Rin rather than Kouki and Rin. But to some of us who reserve their thoughts until the story is finished will have different perspectives.

I am one of those people who reserve their judgments until the end. And I was very disappointed. I have moved on and I still love Usagi Drop minus the time-skip. But like many, I'd like my opinions to be heard.

Sorry I accidentally hit post... So I had to edit my comment =.= so annoying
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I love this manga a whole lot b4 the 10 year time skip only after words the auther does a a complete reverse and decides not to make hi the father figure at the end I was totally for the 2 kids ending up to with each other and the 2 parents together well it seemed that's what the auther was going for at least for a while then they throw it out the door that really got me annoyed tbh cause I don't enjoy incest usually they May not be blood realitives but blood isn' t what makes you family anyways so I still see this being incest genera since daily was her father
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I felt the ending lacked taste.

Supposedly there were hints from the beginning. But admittedly, the watchers or readers never saw it coming until the end.
What I mean is, it wasn't hidden, rather, foreshadowed in any way to be honest. The ending made readers believe it was there all along.
You can choose not to agree; I don't care for your evidence.

Here's what I believe happened. It's something not commonly refereed to as a writer's disease.
If you don't know what writer's disease is, I'll sum it up for you quickly, otherwise skip the blue stuff.

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Writer's Disease: Preliminary focus and or a suggestion in which refers to explainable occurrences with skilled/talented writers; I.e, Writer's Block. Psychotic Break, Writer's Delusion etc.,

Writer's Disease Tldr; - It basically is a word that sums up a talented writer's struggles.


A perfect example of a type of writer's disease is the movie Secret Window.

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I honestly feel that Daikichi didn't fall in love with Rin. What happened is that the Author fell in love with Rin. Out of the following reasons, I'll go with this one.

Furthermore, some minds are just brilliant. Sometimes a person whose so into their own imagination will break down, or perhaps go through some period of time involved into their own creativity. A writer truly involved in his or her writing will some times believe it to be true or real. It's a hard concept to grasp but I've experienced sorrow for killing off characters in my writing in some form or another.

It makes sense to me in my opinion. The author maybe took a break between novels, and of course, once you've been away from something so long, the feelings change. Have you ever read a note you sent someone in the 6th grade? Yeah. Different.

Another possibility is that the Author fell in love with someone In real life. Perhaps, Rin's mom was the actual writer. Remember how hard on the heart those chapters or episodes were? They were pretty damn heavy, and almost too real. Perhaps in some form or another the writer wrote down/illustrated TRUE emotion into that bit.

Like all humans, feelings change. Without going too far, there are chemises in the brain that affect change. One of these chemicals are called Prolactin. This chemical pretty much extinguishes sexual arousal in males. (males, you know how when you orgasm, you just want to go home, or you immediately feel the exact opposite of what you just felt? yeah.) My point is, the author's Prolactin's kicked in at some point.

TLDR; All in all, I feel the author didn't feel the same from start to finish, hence, the direction of the story changed with the author. Tragic.
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TLDR; All in all, I feel the author didn't feel the same from start to finish, hence, the direction of the story changed with the author. Tragic.


I think that I agree with your central point, but I'm not so sure that I agree with your conclusion. At the very least, I don't think there's anything specifically wrong with an author's opinion about a character changing over the course of their story, or even changing the direction of their story. You might not *like* where they took their story, but it is their story, nevertheless. I personally am more or less ambivalent about how Usagi Drop ended, but I can see why some people wouldn't like it.

I do, however, find it a little questionable to say that the author ended it "wrong". Presumably, it was the ending she wanted (I don't really think an editor would have "made" her end it that way), and, even if it isn't how she originally planned the ending to be (something we can only speculate upon), it is the ending she went with in the end. I apologize if I'm misinterpreting your point, but it seems as though you're criticizing the author for possibly changing as a person, and, thus, changing the direction of the story. I think it is fine to dislike the story for that reason...but it seems a bit harsh to dislike the author for that reason.
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Omg I don't like the ending I like rin and kouki
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