Political Moderates
Posted 8/7/11
It can't be so that you are moderate politically, since all people have different views on a given subject concerning government. Centrists are pretenders, at best. They may as well proclaim to be extreme right-wing and boast of Christianity's rightful place as the One True Faith. Leftists talk of equality, but do they really think that as they are reminded of the ghettos filled with minorities wallowing in poverty due to the greed of the "upper class" of some nation's predominant ethnicity? No, they most often desire a stable position for themselves with the arrogance they prefer over humble humility.
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Posted 8/8/11
I don't get it? You went from saying no one can be a political moderate to bashing the right and left. What's the point of discussion?

I guess if we're talking about centrism and consensus...I'll post a quote by Margaret Thtahcer.


To me, consensus seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects.
Posted 8/8/11

Saffron831 wrote:

I don't get it? You went from saying no one can be a political moderate to bashing the right and left. What's the point of discussion?

I guess if we're talking about centrism and consensus...I'll post a quote by Margaret Thtahcer.


To me, consensus seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects.


It seems 70% of all voters within the US claim to be centrist. And I did not bash left and right, but made a point about them possibly not even being left or right regardless of them claiming to be.
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Posted 8/8/11
I think that you can can hold some views that are centrist (for example, you can think that the welfare state has gone too far without being in favour of the old workhouses), but at least some of your views would be classed as either left or right-wing.

I would say I am politically centrist. I have right-wing views on some things and left-wing on others, so they probably kind of balance each other out overall
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Posted 8/9/11 , edited 8/9/11
You mean, either you're with us, or your against us? Well, I always kind of figured that it's those people who vote 'don't know' in ballots. Just kidding. You can be moderate, or find a middle way by having an eclectic approach; you pick the best out of both ends. Becoming too one sided in one's approach can lead to 'braindead', or this headless chicken syndrome where the blinding virtue of fanaticism kicks in. I think a lot of US Republicans would make a good example of this syndrome.


Leftists talk of equality, but do they really think that as they are reminded of the ghettos filled with minorities wallowing in poverty due to the greed of the "upper class" of some nation's predominant ethnicity?

Wishing for equality and more fairness obviously doesn't imply that they are closing their eyes in front of reality.

I wonder why you'd bring up minorities in contrast with dominant ethnicities. No idea about how the world goes round in the USA when it comes to immigrants, but in Europe minorities have a lot of chances to profit from the social system that most European governments have to offer. Last time I read an article about a fat guy who is to be considered as part of an ethnicity that still represents a minority in the UK, he didn't have a job, he had more than 5 children -- after reading this one would probably assume that this guy and his family are living in a quarter that is rather poverty stricken, but as facts stand this guy had a house and a luxurious apartment with luxurious furniture and modern technology, all that paid by no one else but taxpayers of which some live in worse conditions than this 'poor' minority guy with his family. So, obviously there are two sides, and not just one.
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Posted 8/9/11 , edited 8/9/11
The whole notion of a "political moderate" is pretty asinine in the first place. Why? Because the idea of "extremes" are pretty much arbitrary and always changing. However, let's assume that the extremes are carved in stone and do not change with time. Even then, the "middle" is a gradient, not pretty and evenly divided sections. How do you define a centrist? Does the centrist have to have equal parts of extremist views of each end, or only by a proportion?

Posted 8/9/11

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The whole notion of a "political moderate" is pretty asinine in the first place. Why? Because the idea of "extremes" are pretty much arbitrary and always changing. However, let's assume that the extremes are carved in stone and do not change with time. Even then, the "middle" is a gradient, not pretty and evenly divided sections. How do you define a centrist? Does the centrist have to have equal parts of extremist views of each end, or only by a proportion?



Being equal in both right and left politics just seems truly impossible. Even those who claim to be undecided play some role in their nation's government which lends them an unbeknownst, yet sure political identity.
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Posted 8/16/11 , edited 8/16/11
The uphill battle continues for us centrists. I don't see why it's so hard to believe that moderates truly exist when you pointed out what is so wrong with the left and right. They are so busy spewing interchangeable hate speech at one another that they don't even realize how much of an angry, pompous, ignorant, hypocritical disgrace to civilized society they really are. Each side makes essentially the same equally inconsequential claims and accusations about the other while perched upon their self-bestowed thrones. How is it possible that they are so oblivious to their own painfully obvious contradictions and hypocrisies? Would you want to swear loyalty to that? That's all being a moderate means to me.

It's really simple if you are willing to think with your brain and not your hormones. Moderates can't get a word in edgewise because moderation means think slowly, deliberately, and rationally. We wait until we receive all the information and then try to make a decision based upon objective fact and not preconceived notions, emotions or ideology. The nature of empiricism means moderates will probably never come out screaming dogma. People have the gall to call us "bedwetting liberals" or other such epitaphs simply because we refuse to play the reactionary, absolutist game.
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