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Americans; Anime v Cartoons
Posted 8/18/11

zerofreakmike wrote:


StrawberryXChoco wrote:

anime is japanese for animation right?
so it's all the same :)


Actually the word "anime" is just a abbreviated contracted word of "animation". Japan has this kind of habit or system however you wanna put it of abbreviating long and and pain-in-the-ass to say words so it can easily be said without wasting their breath. Like for example, Famicom(otherwise known as NES outside of JP) is a shortened form of Family Computer, as well as Pokemon (Pocket Monsters), and Comiket (Comic Market).

You can also notice that most of the time Japanese uses Katakana to transcribe foreign language words into Japanese for emphasis and distinction from the commonly used hirigana and Kanji. Anime (アニメ) is one of them. So you really cant say anime is a "Japanese word" for animation because it is a loanword and a literally compressed form of its orignal.

And back on topic, Anime and cartoons are relatively the same if you are talking about animation. Anime is a term specifically used for animated art and drawings which is not limited to only Japan, but outside as well. Cartoons is a more broader term which can mean short-panel comics, drawings as well as animation. Culturally, people would use the word "Anime" to distinct that a particular animation comes from Japan.

In conclusion, it doesn't matter if an animation has a meaningful/random themes, bad-ass/shitty characters, pretty art/drab art, crude/silly humor blah blah blah. Whatever is animated can be considered anime as well as cartoons.


.....i don't get what your saying.....your using words too complicated for me lol
well....good for you for knowing lots of facts
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Posted 8/18/11
topic creator = ignorant

Here's why

japanese anime - ARE cartoons in the seiyu's eyes

Thank you come again (in Indian Simpson's accent) ^^
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Posted 8/20/11
Becuase they don't know what else to call it most likely. But it is not completely accurate to call them the same thing in the US, because they have different connotations, which i posted about in a different thread. It may be accurate in Japan, but we're not talking about Japan, we're talking about America, and cartoons have a specific connotation to the average American.


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I do get somewhat irritated, because they have very different connotations.
In the US cartoons are considered almost universally: comedic, episodic, non-dramatic, and usually slapstick. They are also usually targeted almost completely towards children. Thus terms like "Saturday morning cartoons."
Anime also contains those same things, but in addition there are largely non-comedic dramas, focusing on tragedy, romance, etc as well. That is pretty much unheard of in what the vast majority of Americans think of when you talk about cartoons.

A = Anime
C = Cartoons

Z = Comedy: episodic, slapstick
X = Drama: Tragedy/Romance
Y = Action
W = Thriller/suspense (includes Horror)
V = Comedy: other (includes shows very heavy on referential humor, and situational comedy-like styles)

In the mind of the average American, including me:
C = Z + Y
Usually they are Z, some are Y in total or part, think "Looney Tunes" or "GI Joe"
None are usually X, or W, and few are V (Ex. of V in cartoons is "The Simpsons")

In my mind and probably most other anime fans who do take issue with stating them as equivalent
A = Z + X + Y + W + V
or
A = C + X + W + V
It contains shows that cover all those bases on a regular basis, you'll usually find at least one new show of each type every season.

Thus you cannot accurately say A = C as although A may contain some of the same aspects C does, it contains significantly more than the term C, with its strong connotations does on its own.

You can say anime includes cartoons if you want, but it is not accurate to say anime IS cartoons, not with the strong connotations in America at least. Take it to Japan and they're all anime, and that's fine, the connotations are different in each country.


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Posted 8/20/11 , edited 8/20/11
this thread is turning out to be funny ...

Everytime my famous american voice actor friend calls it out loud anime as "cartoon" he gets a negative feedback and I just give him a pat to say " you know anime fans are very sensitive about that terminology" and laugh with him.

its both animation to me .

The misconception that cartoons are meant for children is the associations behind the word "cartoons= anime , anime= cartoon " is what most amercians who are not exposed to different forms of entertaiment and culture.This is what I keep correcting others that the world of anime is not only for kids
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Posted 8/20/11

chrome_mist wrote:

Because anime is cartoon.
And you will





This.

Seriously folks. Yes the words can have shaded meanings. Yes those of us who love Anime and equate cartoons with 'that crappy kid' stuff, put value judgements on the words that make us feel insulted when someone refers to 'our great art' as Cartoons. But to someone who watches neither cartoons nor anime it's all the same shit.

I honestly think people who let their blood boil over the word 'cartoon' need to get over themselves and as the quote above suggests: Deal.


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Posted 8/20/11
Why do idiots start stupid threads asking stupid questions? Why are Americans ignorant? Why do anime fans bash ambiguities with passion? Why do people start inane arguments rooting from their own baseless assumptions? Why do people start duplicate threads?

Because it's all just harmless stupidity in action.
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Posted 8/20/11
Yea sure they're both animations but the only difference between them is that Anime is wayyyyy better
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Posted 8/20/11

kardonius wrote:

Becuase they don't know what else to call it most likely. But it is not completely accurate to call them the same thing in the US, because they have different connotations, which i posted about in a different thread. It may be accurate in Japan, but we're not talking about Japan, we're talking about America, and cartoons have a specific connotation to the average American.


kardonius wrote:

I do get somewhat irritated, because they have very different connotations.
In the US cartoons are considered almost universally: comedic, episodic, non-dramatic, and usually slapstick. They are also usually targeted almost completely towards children. Thus terms like "Saturday morning cartoons."
Anime also contains those same things, but in addition there are largely non-comedic dramas, focusing on tragedy, romance, etc as well. That is pretty much unheard of in what the vast majority of Americans think of when you talk about cartoons.

A = Anime
C = Cartoons

Z = Comedy: episodic, slapstick
X = Drama: Tragedy/Romance
Y = Action
W = Thriller/suspense (includes Horror)
V = Comedy: other (includes shows very heavy on referential humor, and situational comedy-like styles)

In the mind of the average American, including me:
C = Z + Y
Usually they are Z, some are Y in total or part, think "Looney Tunes" or "GI Joe"
None are usually X, or W, and few are V (Ex. of V in cartoons is "The Simpsons")

In my mind and probably most other anime fans who do take issue with stating them as equivalent
A = Z + X + Y + W + V
or
A = C + X + W + V
It contains shows that cover all those bases on a regular basis, you'll usually find at least one new show of each type every season.

Thus you cannot accurately say A = C as although A may contain some of the same aspects C does, it contains significantly more than the term C, with its strong connotations does on its own.

You can say anime includes cartoons if you want, but it is not accurate to say anime IS cartoons, not with the strong connotations in America at least. Take it to Japan and they're all anime, and that's fine, the connotations are different in each country.




I agree.... it makes perfect sense to me. from what i get is its something similar to All dogs are animals but not all animals are dogs.
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Posted 8/20/11
Anime=Awesomeness!! Cartoons=Crap.
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Posted 8/20/11 , edited 8/20/11
Personally Good Story is Good Story regardless of where it comes from.

People tend to spout "American Cartoon= Crap" a lot but in reality we don't see everything that comes out of Japan. There is just as much Crap Japanese Animation as there is American.

But both sides of the ocean come up with great stuff.

Just off the top of my head I can name; Avatar, Invasion America, Justice League and Young Justice are all top quality American Cartoons that I would proudly place right alongside some of the best Anime.


As others have said. It's all animation.

but the Anime we see is Filtered to us. A lot of the Crap just doesn't come over here and gets ignored by both Fansubbers and Professional companies, because it's recognized as crap.

Meanwhile we get constantly exposed to the American Crap because Marketing needs to sell crappy toys that no sane child would want if there wasn't some flashy half hour commercial attached to it..

Do you think Japanese "English TV Clubs" would be torrenting episodes of the New Knight Rider series. Heck no, people knew it was crap and they went for episodes of 24 instead.


There is Crap on both sides of the ocean we just try to avoid importing most of it (some still gets through though)





(really wish Invasion America had gotten another season
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Posted 8/20/11
cus they'r assholes who hav no culture


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Posted 8/20/11
Anime = Cartoon

Cartoons, western animated, are not crap like so many people try to say. Sure, there has been a bad string of less than stellar animate series as of late, but if you look you will find there are some brilliant people still working out there AND are starting to bring back some features worthy of watching. They may not have an extravagant plot or portray themselves you may be accustom to in Japanese animated features, but that doesn't mean they're crap. You shouldn't compare the two.
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Posted 8/20/11
Well some people do not know the difference, even though they are kinda the same thing, I like both of them a lot, just anime more
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Posted 8/20/11 , edited 8/20/11
While we do have words in English that share similar meanings, that doesn't mean you can swap them in and out as you please, even when a thesaurus tells you you can.

For instance calling a proud man arrogant isn't exactly wrong, but it is insulting.
You can say that the dictionary says it fits and denotatively you'd be right.
But any really meaningful conversation won't rely on denotative definitions, only connotative.
Connotatively in the minds of fans anime means serious animation and cartoon means light animation (leaving aside the regional part of the definition for the moment).
Bearing this in mind it would be easy to say that all cartoons are anime, but not all anime are cartoons.
It's something similar to saying that a ford and a chevy are both cars. Which is true. But if you call someone's ford a chevy you might get in some trouble.
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