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most of the scientist way back then were illuminatis
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Just a bunch of women who learned how to pee standing up.
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I have no doubt that secret societies may exist. Obviously if they're secret then we can't know enough about them to say they do exist, but at the same time, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. What I do doubt is that any of these secret societies have carried out many of the overblown conspiracies floating around the world. A lot of them sound like movie plots, which just goes to show how powerful of an effect media can have over people's minds.

To me, the real "conspiracy" is that these fake conspiracies completely distract from all of the terrible things going on in the world. People spend hours watching videos about how Jay-Z has some weird symbols in his video and think that that's the most important issue in the world. In the meantime, they are completely oblivious to all the real horrors going on right under our noses: the death of millions of innocent civilians during pointless wars, human trafficking occurring right out in the open, mass amounts of people dying from preventable diseases, etc. Many of this stuff is even openly reported and easily accessible, yet people are looking over it because these fake conspiracies are a lot more exaggerated and unrealistic. The Occupy protests going on worldwide now stem from problems that have been going on for decades now, and they've reported in the news constantly the whole time. But people would rather read about satanic music videos or a New World Order, than Congress passing legislation that allows banks to legally gamble with their customers' money and use taxpayer money to make up for their losses.

Now I don't think any specific group of people made up these conspiracies for that sole purpose. It's just that certain people took advantage of our ever-growing complacency (thanks to our media addiction) to make a few extra billion bucks at our expense. They knew we wouldn't do anything because we're too worried about Obama sprouting devil horns and wings and setting the whole world on fire. They aren't masterminds, just opportunists.
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Son-Vegeta wrote:

I they excist masonary, zionisme, rothshield and maybe more



The Free Masons are a mostly public fraternal group that are open to all, which isn't exactly a great model to go on if you want to conquer the world, Zionism is not really a secret society, so much as an ideology, and Rothschild is the surname of a family of wealthy bankers. It is impossible to connect them together unless you have a very vivid imagination and are completely divorced from reality.
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most of the scientist way back then were illuminatis



NO, they were not. I read a fictional book with the same premise, it was a terrible book, Dan Brown, I believe it was, and it was so stupid, I cannot begin to wrap my head around all the errors he made, which, even in my 15 year old, immature mind, busy reading dirty limericks and laughing a jokes with the words 'penis', 'dick', and 'fuck' in it, was considerable. But, no, most scientist were not part of the Illuminati, because the Illuminati was created in 1776 in the back woods of Bavaria, and then ended 1787, giving all the scientist 'back in the days' approximately ten years to take a time machine and go all the way to Bavaria, sign up, only to have it shut down a few years later. It is absurd to even consider it.
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Cuddlebuns wrote:

I have no doubt that secret societies may exist. Obviously if they're secret then we can't know enough about them to say they do exist, but at the same time, the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. What I do doubt is that any of these secret societies have carried out many of the overblown conspiracies floating around the world. A lot of them sound like movie plots, which just goes to show how powerful of an effect media can have over people's minds.

To me, the real "conspiracy" is that these fake conspiracies completely distract from all of the terrible things going on in the world. People spend hours watching videos about how Jay-Z has some weird symbols in his video and think that that's the most important issue in the world. In the meantime, they are completely oblivious to all the real horrors going on right under our noses: the death of millions of innocent civilians during pointless wars, human trafficking occurring right out in the open, mass amounts of people dying from preventable diseases, etc. Many of this stuff is even openly reported and easily accessible, yet people are looking over it because these fake conspiracies are a lot more exaggerated and unrealistic. The Occupy protests going on worldwide now stem from problems that have been going on for decades now, and they've reported in the news constantly the whole time. But people would rather read about satanic music videos or a New World Order, than Congress passing legislation that allows banks to legally gamble with their customers' money and use taxpayer money to make up for their losses.

Now I don't think any specific group of people made up these conspiracies for that sole purpose. It's just that certain people took advantage of our ever-growing complacency (thanks to our media addiction) to make a few extra billion bucks at our expense. They knew we wouldn't do anything because we're too worried about Obama sprouting devil horns and wings and setting the whole world on fire. They aren't masterminds, just opportunists.


So, you mean that these conspiracies and these inane shows are just part of a Right-wing campaign to distract the plebians with bread and circus, while the world spirals downward and goes deeper into the abyss, until, alas, it sinks to Tophet. Although you mention you don't think any specific group of people did this, your post is blatantly full of conservative caricature, such as being concern with 'Satanic Symbols' and thinking President Obama is Old Nick in guise, along with many other examples that would be superfluous to mention. The damnation is in the subtext, I admit, but the damnation still is there, and you are railing against a practice that you, yourself, are practising.
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longfenglim wrote:


Son-Vegeta wrote:

I they excist masonary, zionisme, rothshield and maybe more



The Free Masons are a mostly public fraternal group that are open to all, which isn't exactly a great model to go on if you want to conquer the world, Zionism is not really a secret society, so much as an ideology, and Rothschild is the surname of a family of wealthy bankers. It is impossible to connect them together unless you have a very vivid imagination and are completely divorced from reality.


okey they are known ? but as what? Could u tell more about them ? at private?
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There's no 'Illuminati'. There is, however, a small group of exceedingly powerful and exceedingly rich people who manipulate governments for their own ends.
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mlwry wrote:

There's no 'Illuminati'. There is, however, a small group of exceedingly powerful and exceedingly rich people who manipulate governments for their own ends.


Yes, they are called 'Politicians', and we elect them again and again.
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longfenglim wrote:


mlwry wrote:

There's no 'Illuminati'. There is, however, a small group of exceedingly powerful and exceedingly rich people who manipulate governments for their own ends.


Yes, they are called 'Politicians', and we elect them again and again.


The politicians are working for them.

The saddest part is that we elect them over and over in the hope that some day someone might change things. So naive.
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Son-Vegeta wrote:


longfenglim wrote:


Son-Vegeta wrote:

I they excist masonary, zionisme, rothshield and maybe more



The Free Masons are a mostly public fraternal group that are open to all, which isn't exactly a great model to go on if you want to conquer the world, Zionism is not really a secret society, so much as an ideology, and Rothschild is the surname of a family of wealthy bankers. It is impossible to connect them together unless you have a very vivid imagination and are completely divorced from reality.


okey they are known ? but as what? Could u tell more about them ? at private?


I can't quite make out what you are asking? Do you mean are the Free Masons, Zionist, and Rothschild known, or do you mean are the Illuminati known? The Free Masons are well known, and you can join them if you want. The Zionist are a group of people united in the idea that there should be a state of Israel, and I am amongst them, and Rothschild are also well known, having first financed Europe during Napoleon, and cleverly putting all their wealth in the form of stocks, debts, and bonds to prevent the anti-semites from robbing them, causing the Anti-Semites to hate them even more for out witting their dumb arses.
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mlwry wrote:


longfenglim wrote:


mlwry wrote:

There's no 'Illuminati'. There is, however, a small group of exceedingly powerful and exceedingly rich people who manipulate governments for their own ends.


Yes, they are called 'Politicians', and we elect them again and again.


The politicians are working for them.

The saddest part is that we elect them over and over in the hope that some day someone might change things. So naive.


Yes, the politicians are working in their own interest, and we do elect them over and over. That is how democracy works.
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longfenglim wrote:


mlwry wrote:


longfenglim wrote:


mlwry wrote:

There's no 'Illuminati'. There is, however, a small group of exceedingly powerful and exceedingly rich people who manipulate governments for their own ends.


Yes, they are called 'Politicians', and we elect them again and again.


The politicians are working for them.

The saddest part is that we elect them over and over in the hope that some day someone might change things. So naive.


Yes, the politicians are working in their own interest, and we do elect them over and over. That is how democracy works.


Unfortunately so. In an ideal Democratic it would not but humans are scum and so it is broken.

They work for whatever is good for the corporations therefore what is good for their pockets and career.
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mlwry wrote:


longfenglim wrote:


mlwry wrote:


longfenglim wrote:


mlwry wrote:

There's no 'Illuminati'. There is, however, a small group of exceedingly powerful and exceedingly rich people who manipulate governments for their own ends.


Yes, they are called 'Politicians', and we elect them again and again.


The politicians are working for them.

The saddest part is that we elect them over and over in the hope that some day someone might change things. So naive.


Yes, the politicians are working in their own interest, and we do elect them over and over. That is how democracy works.


Unfortunately so. In an ideal Democratic it would not but humans are scum and so it is broken.

They work for whatever is good for the corporations therefore what is good for their pockets and career.


Wait...you are talking about Bankers and captains of industry? Now that is just rubbish, if they can influence the system, influence it alot, but they cannot control it, because the government is barely able to function on its own. Now, consider this, we have laws regulating businesses, if business own the government, we would have done away with those laws, like minimum wage, the right to assemble and strike, all that, but, we don't. The politicians aren't pawns, as you make them out to be, they are the shakers and movers, and usually, they are incompetant shakers and movers.
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longfenglim wrote:

So, you mean that these conspiracies and these inane shows are just part of a Right-wing campaign to distract the plebians with bread and circus, while the world spirals downward and goes deeper into the abyss, until, alas, it sinks to Tophet. Although you mention you don't think any specific group of people did this, your post is blatantly full of conservative caricature, such as being concern with 'Satanic Symbols' and thinking President Obama is Old Nick in guise, along with many other examples that would be superfluous to mention. The damnation is in the subtext, I admit, but the damnation still is there, and you are railing against a practice that you, yourself, are practising.


That's a pretty huge assumption to make based on one comment I made. I simply referenced right-wing rhetoric because that is personally what I encounter the most often when discussing such topics, so it was the first thing to come to mind. I honestly don't know of any conspiracy theories that are blatantly left-wing, nor do I know of any conspiracy theorists who are liberal. My focus on examples that apply to conservatives is due to my ignorance of examples from any other group on the political spectrum, not my disdain for right-wing ideology (although I do hold that, it wasn't on my mind while I was making that post).

I don't believe any group of people of any political affiliation ever got together and decided "Let's make up some fake conspiracies, spread them through the media in a not-so-subtle way, and let everyone worry about those while we destroy the world right behind their backs." What I do believe is that some people or some groups of people realized "The masses are distracted by Snooki shaking her ass on TV and all the weird, pointless symbols printed on U.S currency. They won't notice if we screw them over behind the scenes, so let's make a profit off of them while they're preoccupied with that." I believe they're opportunists, not manipulators.

If you read too far in between the lines, you end up distorting the big picture.


longfenglim wrote:

Wait...you are talking about Bankers and captains of industry? Now that is just rubbish, if they can influence the system, influence it alot, but they cannot control it, because the government is barely able to function on its own. Now, consider this, we have laws regulating businesses, if business own the government, we would have done away with those laws, like minimum wage, the right to assemble and strike, all that, but, we don't. The politicians aren't pawns, as you make them out to be, they are the shakers and movers, and usually, they are incompetant shakers and movers.


Texas Governor Rick Perry became rich by doing huge favors for corporations that donated to him. He's definitely not the only one, but he's the only one I can find a recent news article on.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/25/opinion/gov-rick-perrys-cash-machine.html

More examples and explanations of companies receiving favors (mainly deregulation and tax breaks) from politicians for campaign donations:

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/CompanyFocus/WhyPoliticiansAreWorthBuying.aspx

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2010/10/13/the-10-biggest-corporate-campaign-contributors-in-u-s-politics

http://www.skeptically.org/parwho/id14.html

http://lpa.igc.org/lpv31/lp04.htm

http://www.hightowerlowdown.org/node/2279

Note how few of these are in any large mainstream media outlets, whom also donate large amounts of money to politicians.

If you'd been paying attention to U.S politics for the past 15-20 years, you'd know that there is a strong movement to dissolve unions and labor laws, and certain industries (namely the financial sector and oil/energy industries in the U.S) have been greatly deregulated over the past couple of decades. There are people in the U.S pushing to get rid of things like the right to assemble and minimum wage, along with safety regulations and child labor laws, and although they are a minority, they aren't all that small and they are still growing.

It's arguable whether all of this is actual control or just strong influence, but is there any real difference between the two?
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