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Their Terms of Service actually state that they can delete your account, making you lose access to all your purchased books, for "embarrassing" them or any publishers.


Without limiting other remedies, JManga may at any time suspend or terminate your JManga account and refuse to provide access to the Site or Services. In addition, JManga may notify authorities or take any actions it deems appropriate, without notice to you, if JManga suspects or determines, in its own discretion, that you may have or there is a significant risk that you have (i) failed to comply with any provision of these Terms of Use or any policies or rules established by JManga; or (ii) engaged in actions relating to or in the course of using the Site or Services that may be illegal or cause liability, harm, embarrassment, harassment, abuse or disruption for you, JManga Users, JManga or any other third parties or the Site or Services.
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Indeed they're very careful to not list any of prices for chapters or volumes on the help or FAQ sections of the site. Happily the facebook link has folks saying exactly what some of the kind people here have said.

I want to support the industry and so I shall, but it will be by spending the same ammount at Amazon and getting physical copies of the books I want to read.

Jmanga just ain't what the doctor ordered in my opinion.
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I would rather have the price raised and have a system like here on Crunchyroll. The prices are too high at the moment. As other people have stated you can get physical volumes for less. So the solutions I see are:
1) Keep the current format but make the chapters $1 a piece and the cost of a total volume 5%-10% than the combined cost of the chapters.
2) Chang eit to a true monthly all access like crunchyroll with a recurring subscription plan. Could have it individual amongst the different publishers. Individually $15-$25, full access $40. Something like that. Of course, once this runs out you lose access to the volumes and go back to the "free preview".
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Hmm I guess my real problem is that I'd like to be able to download the books. That way, I could view them even off-line. As of now there's no way I'd spend money on a book that I don't get full access to. I don't mind the prices as long as they're the same or lower than store-bought manga, since I wouldn't be losing any money.

Of course I also wouldn't spend money until there's an interesting selection to boot.

Either way, good luck with the site.
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Site is insane. I have to pay 10 dollar's a month to buy manga? What the crap kind of model is that?
And to make matters worse It's no cheaper than retail. You're paying the same price for a digital copy as you are for a physical copy. Whats the point? Why isn't the model like CR? Jmanga is a ripoff.
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Oh, and you can only spend your points if you have an active subscription...wwww
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blackboots1337

I have used a scanner and a binder cutter on some of my school books, because having everything searchable by computer is 10x easier when taking online quizzes, but not to digress too far, I have to say this is probably one of the best ideas. If your a hardcore manga reader and wish to read without the books, you can easily cut the binding, separate the pages, scan them at 2000+dpi (higher quality than those that JManga) and store them on several hard drives. Then re-glue the bindings. Digital + Physical Copy for ~10$. Now technicalyl this is not legal as your removing the "intellectual information" from outside of the "intended medium" and are then making an "illegal copy of copyrighted work". This probably wont bother many people, as the general public only sees it illegal when you re-distribute the digital copies to other individuals is when the step into illegal territory begins, sadly this is not true, technically when you purchase a CD, you have rights to that media in that form, as soon as you copy it to your computer that is 1 illegal copy, then you place it on your phone, there is 2 copies. Oh my, there I went...

Summary: Awesome Idea!


Not necessarily true in the USA. We still have Fair Use laws in-spite of industry trying to destroy them. CD ripping is actually considered format-shifting and is considered protected by most Fair Use lawyers due to various cases - notably RIAA v. Diamond Multimedia, 180 F. 3d 1072, 1079, 9th Circ. 1999 (as cited by EFF - http://w2.eff.org/IP/eff_fair_use_faq.php )

The reason we have issues with ripping DVD's for example - is because you MUST violate a form of copy protection for it to work. This is considered fair use, but to do so you have violated another law (DMCA).

The RIAA has pushed hard for their one copy agenda, but has lost heavily. This is one of the reasons they wanted SACD and DVD-A to take off - potential for protected layers and content.
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Shinji, I must say I am deeply sadden by the Jmanga launch. The site is slow, hard to understand, and doesn't give me the warm fuzzes like supporting anime with my CR subscription. Hopefully this will change in the future, but I'm going to pass until. The new Viz Manga service while I hate it for it's lack of back catalog, horrid customer service, and 1/2 hearted attempt at digital still seems like a better option.

PS: Please for the love of god kill the points system. If you have to use a fictional currency use manga credits that get you a volume so I know up front what they stand for and what I get with them.
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....This doesn't seem to solve any issues

Cunchyroll simulcast new anime 1 hour after it airs in japan, & in most cases is faster than those free sites.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but JManga doesn't release chapters the same day they were released in japan do they?
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blackboots1337

I have used a scanner and a binder cutter on some of my school books, because having everything searchable by computer is 10x easier when taking online quizzes, but not to digress too far, I have to say this is probably one of the best ideas. If your a hardcore manga reader and wish to read without the books, you can easily cut the binding, separate the pages, scan them at 2000+dpi (higher quality than those that JManga) and store them on several hard drives. Then re-glue the bindings. Digital + Physical Copy for ~10$. Now technicalyl this is not legal as your removing the "intellectual information" from outside of the "intended medium" and are then making an "illegal copy of copyrighted work". This probably wont bother many people, as the general public only sees it illegal when you re-distribute the digital copies to other individuals is when the step into illegal territory begins, sadly this is not true, technically when you purchase a CD, you have rights to that media in that form, as soon as you copy it to your computer that is 1 illegal copy, then you place it on your phone, there is 2 copies. Oh my, there I went...

Summary: Awesome Idea!


Not necessarily true in the USA. We still have Fair Use laws in-spite of industry trying to destroy them. CD ripping is actually considered format-shifting and is considered protected by most Fair Use lawyers due to various cases - notably RIAA v. Diamond Multimedia, 180 F. 3d 1072, 1079, 9th Circ. 1999 (as cited by EFF - http://w2.eff.org/IP/eff_fair_use_faq.php )

The reason we have issues with ripping DVD's for example - is because you MUST violate a form of copy protection for it to work. This is considered fair use, but to do so you have violated another law (DMCA).

The RIAA has pushed hard for their one copy agenda, but has lost heavily. This is one of the reasons they wanted SACD and DVD-A to take off - potential for protected layers and content.




Although the legal basis is not completely settled, many lawyers believe that the following (and many other uses) are also fair uses:

Space-shifting or format-shifting - that is, taking content you own in one format and putting it into another format, for personal, non-commercial use. For instance, "ripping" an audio CD (that is, making an MP3-format version of an audio CD that you already own) is considered fair use by many lawyers, based on the 1984 Betamax decision and the 1999 Rio MP3 player decision (RIAA v. Diamond Multimedia, 180 F. 3d 1072, 1079, 9th Circ. 1999.)
Making a personal back-up copy of content you own - for instance, burning a copy of an audio CD you own.


If your willing to take those risks, I believe most people are, its not much of an issue, although it has yet to be settled for the uses we are discussing. As quoted from the fair use faq.

And the "one copy agenda" is slightly flawed as to get the media from my CD to my IPod, it would require 2 copies, 1 to reside on the computer 2, to reside on the phone.

I would like to note I understand that this is not a "real" issue that people have to face but its still a "technical" issue and you can get bit by it... I am glad for the forward progress of "fair use" just realize it has yet to be set in stone anywhere there are sites that lean more toward an open idea of "fair use" and others claiming a more closed view of "fair use". I am just noting the technicalities and insecurity of the current legal system pertaining to this.
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If your willing to take those risks, I believe most people are, its not much of an issue, although it has yet to be settled for the uses we are discussing. As quoted from the fair use faq.

And the "one copy agenda" is slightly flawed as to get the media from my CD to my IPod, it would require 2 copies, 1 to reside on the computer 2, to reside on the phone.

I would like to note I understand that this is not a "real" issue that people have to face but its still a "technical" issue and you can get bit by it... I am glad for the forward progress of "fair use" just realize it has yet to be set in stone anywhere there are sites that lean more toward an open idea of "fair use" and others claiming a more closed view of "fair use". I am just noting the technicalities and insecurity of the current legal system pertaining to this.


Once again, I suggest you check the cited case. It covered ripping CDs for transfer to MP3 players - the computer is a step that is necessary to do so and is recognized.

The crux of the matter is case law is almost impossible to overturn in this case, and don't forget the supreme court has already covered format-shifting with Betamax where Sony crashed and burned spectacularly.

It's also a point of contention to remember, that case law doesn't make law like legislation. This is why it can be argued it's not "set in stone", because the companies consistently want to overturn it. No court in their right mind would seeing the two precedents already established. Yes, case law can change over-time, but when the supreme court has basically made a ruling good luck.

Last, but not least, in a copyright infringement case losses must be proven to some extent. Arguably, there's no real way to prove it in such a case without distribution (which even then becomes very hard to determine what's acceptable).

You could argue that there's a chance you might get bit by this, but I'd argue that chance is somewhere below winning the lotto and entirely non-existent.

If you can provide even one instance of someone that meets these criteria I'll agree there's potential for financial harm:

1) Format-shifted media to one or more of their own personal items
2) The media was not protected by any form of DRM or security
3) They must have paid a sum to said copyright owners or had an injunction sustained against them
4) Did NOT distribute the work, free or otherwise
5) Lost the case after the Supreme Court ruling against Betamax.


Find me even ONE case that meets the above with the defendant losing.


So, just to close this:

1) I have yet to see even once case where copyright owners have won against format-shifting non-DRM related works.
2) The cost to investigate someone doing so is prohibitive, and may end up violating criminal laws if taken to far.
3) Losses must be proven to a reasonable extent.
4) The courts have set precedents, one being the supreme court so far seeming to have prevented #1 to this day.
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zinjashike wrote:


blackboots1337 wrote:


If your willing to take those risks, I believe most people are, its not much of an issue, although it has yet to be settled for the uses we are discussing. As quoted from the fair use faq.

And the "one copy agenda" is slightly flawed as to get the media from my CD to my IPod, it would require 2 copies, 1 to reside on the computer 2, to reside on the phone.

I would like to note I understand that this is not a "real" issue that people have to face but its still a "technical" issue and you can get bit by it... I am glad for the forward progress of "fair use" just realize it has yet to be set in stone anywhere there are sites that lean more toward an open idea of "fair use" and others claiming a more closed view of "fair use". I am just noting the technicalities and insecurity of the current legal system pertaining to this.


Once again, I suggest you check the cited case. It covered ripping CDs for transfer to MP3 players - the computer is a step that is necessary to do so and is recognized.

The crux of the matter is case law is almost impossible to overturn in this case, and don't forget the supreme court has already covered format-shifting with Betamax where Sony crashed and burned spectacularly.

It's also a point of contention to remember, that case law doesn't make law like legislation. This is why it can be argued it's not "set in stone", because the companies consistently want to overturn it. No court in their right mind would seeing the two precedents already established. Yes, case law can change over-time, but when the supreme court has basically made a ruling good luck.

Last, but not least, in a copyright infringement case losses must be proven to some extent. Arguably, there's no real way to prove it in such a case without distribution (which even then becomes very hard to determine what's acceptable).

You could argue that there's a chance you might get bit by this, but I'd argue that chance is somewhere below winning the lotto and entirely non-existent.

If you can provide even one instance of someone that meets these criteria I'll agree there's potential for financial harm:

1) Format-shifted media to one or more of their own personal items
2) The media was not protected by any form of DRM or security
3) They must have paid a sum to said copyright owners or had an injunction sustained against them
4) Did NOT distribute the work, free or otherwise
5) Lost the case after the Supreme Court ruling against Betamax.


Find me even ONE case that meets the above with the defendant losing.


So, just to close this:

1) I have yet to see even once case where copyright owners have won against format-shifting non-DRM related works.
2) The cost to investigate someone doing so is prohibitive, and may end up violating criminal laws if taken to far.
3) Losses must be proven to a reasonable extent.
4) The courts have set precedents, one being the supreme court so far seeming to have prevented #1 to this day.


Thank you for clarifying what I believe I intended to say when I noted that the risk are very low, but not impossible.

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Haha nice it was opened up in my birthday! ^^

Sadly though I am not rich, I do have a card which on which I put the money that I earn but still I don't have that much money to be paying for a subscription to a manga website, hell, I don't even pay for Netflix anymore and I am a big movie buff whereas I only read manga every now and then.

Hopefully in the near future they'll make it free or give some demos or at least make it like crunchyroll.
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I dunno how I feel about this. On the one hand I was excited to see the manga industry finally making a serious attempt at jumping into the digital age and adopting new technological advantages in distribution. On the other hand I've never even liked scanlations (I already spend enough time during the day in front of an illuminated screen and don't need to read my manga that way and get tired from the eye strain - plus I've never liked how computer screens aren't designed to effectively let you see an entire manga page at once - don't like scrolling up and down to see an entire page, especially if you're looking at a "splash" page or a page with oversized panels & such), so I wasn't too sure how I'd like reading manga from a website even if it was "legit".

And now that I'm hearing so much bad stuff about the pricing structure I honestly don't find myself even wanting to bother with checking out the site.

Now here's a novel idea: what if they made the volumes available as "e-books"? Maybe let you see the first chapter of a book online for free as a sort of "free preview" to get an idea if you'd like to purchase it or not, and if you do want to, then make them available for download to one of the many e-readers out on the market today at a big discounted price from the full retail cost (not an entirely unreasonable demand, since the publishers are saving on printing/binding costs as well as distribution costs like shipping and warehousing and other middle men mark ups). And if you could make it available on an e-reader so that the pages can be properly displayed in their entirety just like a physical copy is, and they make a decent amount of titles available (particularly the ones that aren't currently available by the big publishers already) then you've solved all the problems I have with it.

1.) I get a legit copy of something I couldn't ordinarily find at my local library or bookstore - or even get something already available at a store, but much cheaper
2.) it'll be portable and I'll be able to take it wherever and read it offline even in direct sunlight without worrying about eyestrain or glare from an illuminated screen,
3.) I could still see a page displayed they way the author intended, without the annoyance of having to scroll up and down to see everything.
4.) It would be much easier to carry an entire collection of manga around, especially for long trips,and I won't be killing as many trees.

Less than $5 a book would be ideal, but even $5-$6 per volume would be reasonable for a digital only copy that you could own. Or maybe even a bit over $6 if it's a newer title or something. But unless they could offer something like this, then as mentioned by many others already I'd be much better off just getting it from the local library, or borrowing & trading with friends, or going to used bookstores or Amazon or especially Rightstuf.com when they have sales.
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So you can't read first (besides free previews) and then decide to buy or not? Have to subscribe AND then pay (via credits) for chapters or volumes?

All (most?) volumes/chapters are the English releases only? I saw a button in View that shows a switch to Japanese from English, but, for the chapter (free preview section)

$10/month with the given current selection is not good value. I prefer to buy physical copies, but it would be nice to preview series I may not buy otherwise... except seems unless it's a free Preview must pay just in order to browse?

Should run a grammar and punctuation check on the website (Help/FAQ page for example).
And love the Mac requirement "Mac OS XP"
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