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Are all atheists so full of it and pigheaded? Theres nothing wrong with being atheist, but to slander someones beliefs is just wrong. To make fun of the thing that someone cherishes the most, no matter what it be, benefits no one. Its just plain wrong!
You act like there's something wrong with believing there is more then just this one life...well I'm in awe of someone who can put so much faith in something, I'd love to believe in someone or something with so much confidence. If you can believe that theres something/someone up there who has got a plan for you, and didn't put you through hell for nothing, then I'm just glad you're happy.

I mean why can't you just be atheist and shutup? You don't rip away the one thing that means the most to someone, you don't go around hoping to convert your friends, you don't post crude derogatory pictures about someones faith, and you don't pretend to be better or more smarter then someone who just wants to believe!
I mean, Jesus Christ, do you tell a 3 year old that Santa isn't real? To grow up and realize this one crappy life is all there gonna get, and its gonna be hell so get used to it? Well, scratch that...maybe you would.

EDIT: Also, everyone is saying Christian, Christian, Christian...wtf?! What happened to Muslims or Buddhists or Wiccan or any other one of the hundreds of religions? You can't truthfully say "I hate religion" if you haven't given any other religion a chance you...you...dumb bleep!!! -_-
Posted 1/19/08 , edited 4/18/08

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Are all atheists so full of it and pigheaded? Theres nothing wrong with being atheist, but to slander someones beliefs is just wrong. To make fun of the thing that someone cherishes the most, no matter what it be, benefits no one. Its just plain wrong!
You act like there's something wrong with believing there is more then just this one life...well I'm in awe of someone who can put so much faith in something, I'd love to believe in someone or something with so much confidence. If you can believe that theres something/someone up there who has got a plan for you, and didn't put you through hell for nothing, then I'm just glad you're happy.

I mean why can't you just be atheist and shutup? You don't rip away the one thing that means the most to someone, you don't go around hoping to convert your friends, you don't post crude derogatory pictures about someones faith, and you don't pretend to be better or more smarter then someone who just wants to believe!
I mean, Jesus Christ, do you tell a 3 year old that Santa isn't real? To grow up and realize this one crappy life is all there gonna get, and its gonna be hell so get used to it? Well, scratch that...maybe you would.

EDIT: Also, everyone is saying Christian, Christian, Christian...wtf?! What happened to Muslims or Buddhists or Wiccan or any other one of the hundreds of religions? You can't truthfully say "I hate religion" if you haven't given any other religion a chance you...you...dumb bleep!!! -_-


At the last part.....the fact that those other religions exist is part of the reasons why religion isn't credible to me. Each one of them claimed to be the truth yet none of them seem any more logical to me then the other. That being said, what makes Christianity any more real then Islam or vice versa? It's only real to you because you live in a predominate chrisian society. I'm pretty sure if the majority of the USA population happened to be Muslim as opposed to Christian, we would all believe Islam is the only truth. It's all about the society's cultural upbringing really that influenced people's belief in a certain religion. Facts and credibility are entirely irrelevent in people's belief in a religion.
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Are all atheists so full of it and pigheaded? Theres nothing wrong with being atheist, but to slander someones beliefs is just wrong. To make fun of the thing that someone cherishes the most, no matter what it be, benefits no one. Its just plain wrong!
You act like there's something wrong with believing there is more then just this one life...well I'm in awe of someone who can put so much faith in something, I'd love to believe in someone or something with so much confidence. If you can believe that theres something/someone up there who has got a plan for you, and didn't put you through hell for nothing, then I'm just glad you're happy.

I mean why can't you just be atheist and shutup? You don't rip away the one thing that means the most to someone, you don't go around hoping to convert your friends, you don't post crude derogatory pictures about someones faith, and you don't pretend to be better or more smarter then someone who just wants to believe!
I mean, Jesus Christ, do you tell a 3 year old that Santa isn't real? To grow up and realize this one crappy life is all there gonna get, and its gonna be hell so get used to it? Well, scratch that...maybe you would.

EDIT: Also, everyone is saying Christian, Christian, Christian...wtf?! What happened to Muslims or Buddhists or Wiccan or any other one of the hundreds of religions? You can't truthfully say "I hate religion" if you haven't given any other religion a chance you...you...dumb bleep!!! -_-


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Are all atheists so full of it and pigheaded? Theres nothing wrong with being atheist, but to slander someones beliefs is just wrong. To make fun of the thing that someone cherishes the most, no matter what it be, benefits no one. Its just plain wrong!
You act like there's something wrong with believing there is more then just this one life...well I'm in awe of someone who can put so much faith in something, I'd love to believe in someone or something with so much confidence. If you can believe that theres something/someone up there who has got a plan for you, and didn't put you through hell for nothing, then I'm just glad you're happy.

I mean why can't you just be atheist and shutup? You don't rip away the one thing that means the most to someone, you don't go around hoping to convert your friends, you don't post crude derogatory pictures about someones faith, and you don't pretend to be better or more smarter then someone who just wants to believe!
I mean, Jesus Christ, do you tell a 3 year old that Santa isn't real? To grow up and realize this one crappy life is all there gonna get, and its gonna be hell so get used to it? Well, scratch that...maybe you would.

EDIT: Also, everyone is saying Christian, Christian, Christian...wtf?! What happened to Muslims or Buddhists or Wiccan or any other one of the hundreds of religions? You can't truthfully say "I hate religion" if you haven't given any other religion a chance you...you...dumb bleep!!! -_-


I find it appropriate that you compare telling people there is no god to telling someone there is no santa clause. Religion causes lots of problems in the world my friend. I do not think that is even up to debate as it is clearly the case. It is something some of us feel is dangerous. The fact is that is far better to face reality than to live with false hope. You argue that its wrong to take away cherished beliefs but in a place called reality truth actually has some meaning. As adults abandon Santa when they grow up so mankind should abandon religion. I feel better now than when I was religious as I do not have to lie to myself. I can post anti religious pictures all I want. Whos gonna stop me? Jesus? Muhammad? LULZ dont hold your breath. Also if you make another thread like this or I am annoyed at you again anytime soon you will be kicked from this group. I might ban you anyway as you are making me feel sick of you to an amazing degree.. Get out of this group if you dont like it.


You’re right. Religion does do a lot of harm to the world, that’s a simple fact. However, what you neglect to notice is that it also does a lot of good. Most modern forms of Christianity actually do more good than bad. Billions upon billions of dollars are spent on charity in Africa alone. Not to mention Mexico, South America, North America, and everywhere else in the world.

Religion is actually beneficial to society because it at least encourages a system of honor. People fail to realize but the only reason you think that the things happening because religion is being abused is bad…is because religion has instilled values in you. Murder, wrong. That idea didn’t come from atheism. No, it came from religion. Look at any ancient culture that didn’t have a standing religion and you’ll see very clearly that the value of life and quality of living were unknown.

There’s no doubt that religion has done a mass of bad. Then again, it’s also done a mass of good. Wouldn’t it be better then, to discourage the bad side of religion, and encourage the good side. Religion takes the gloom from the grave and provides motivation for generous living when properly applied to life.

Deny it as you wish, the truth is that most Western Religion is actually helping the world more than it’s hurting it. Anyway, you talk like we should murder all religious people. Yet, if we did that, you and half the other “atheists” in this group would be obliterated.

You’re by far more religious than I am.


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As an atheist i can say for myself, that yes, i am full of it.

What i'm full of is common sense.

I don't have a problem with faith or believing. What i can't stand is the misinformation that most religions people give themselves. Such as catholics and christians wearing gold crosses around their necks. I believe that book most people put so much stock in says: no idol worship and that nothing is to be cased in gold. Which is why most crosses in churches are made of wood, because of the whole golden calf thing. That symbols of a believer are to be kept in the home and looked upon in times of joy. And it seems that most anglo-saxon sects only look at them in times of rough seas.

So to read something and not take to heart of all of what a book says (and that goes for any book that claims itself to be of truth) is a simple mistake of a moron. You should never read something and pick out the parts that you like to convey what you want. Then spout those three or so sentences that you like as, absolute truth. It's wrong.

The bible has rules. But only to follow the ones you like.....seems like you either ignore them, or didn't bother to understand it.

But that's me.


It's all while and good that you get the meaning of the bible. But there are means to show that you understand. Such as, the ten commandments and other little rules, that i stated above.

If the bible was written just to get the meaning, then the bible would be only four words long:


"Love me." The End.
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i seriously dont hope you get banned, i need my daily laughter, and its great to change it from anime to religious people..
I cant like any religion, mainly because it is based on set doctrines, as the world grows and changes so should our morals, religion tries to drag us back to the friggin dark ages, and it makes me sick!

And i dont know why religion is so free from criticism, if one believed in santa, killed for santa and etc, i would ALSO criticise him, of course not just slander, i would give him a reasonable dialogue and have faith that he will grow up from his childhood fantasies..

Why people cant just friggin grow up from things as ghosts, monster and gods is just amazing, the only thing these things are useful for is LOTR, Age Of mythology and anime! NOTHING but a bit of popculture, but to actually base your life on myths is just plain insane, and i deem it unnecessary that people like us, do our part to keep this world away from the dark ages..

alot of killing has been done to get away from that age, if we are to fall into it again....no way..

mommy i dont want to be dragged back to slavery and many other kinds of idiocy of the dark ages..
if people wanna burn witches, make sure they are of cloth only..
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oh just to clear up any mistakes..
atheist and atheistic nations DOES far more good than religious people do, not that i care for comparing, but i cant even imagine what atheists scientists have done for us in the past years..
i would also like to mention that atheistic nation as the one im living in donates to a greater amount of money than religious nations does..

i wont even start to compare health (in general like infant mortality rates etc)
to atheistic nations and religious nations..
you should instead come to Denmark, and see a nations with no god, and how well we are doing it..
or sweden they are 85% non religious, and the FAR MAJORITY doing crime are religious..

sry couldnt stop myself from comparing anyway, but these numbers dont lie boy, they dont..
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..................oh like your 1 to talk!!!!!!!!! Christans will share there beliefs but will never even listen to yours!!!! were not full of it!!!! Were taking a stand, instead of letting a storybook tell us what to do,we think for ourselves,we believe in our abilitys,wait thats commiting a sin!! i believe in my ability to sing,but thats considered a sin, besides i know people who dont believe in dinosaures!!! thats how much they worship god!!!!!! Just think before you say, cuz there is nothing wrong believing in your ideas and yourself
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Well first of all, everyone is talking about Christians because most crazies out there are Christians..I've never seen a buddhist bitch at me for being agnostic.

"I mean why can't you just be atheist and shutup? "

Why can't YOU just be a God-follower and shut up? Yeah..It's pretty hard isn't it. After you stop condemning everyone to hell, then we'll stop being full of it.
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Oh my it seems like I'm going to burn in fucking hell or not exist WHO CARES! I know I don't I'd rather not exist or be in hell than be in heaven with a god who doesn't give a rats ass about anyone but himself and having people worship and fawn over him. I don't bash others beliefs unless they bash mine. Heh. And I would have to agree the only crazies really are the christians and the radical muslims. All the other religions leave well enough alone and don't say we all are going to burn for all eternity.
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There is a huge double standard. There are lots of religious things aimed at kids. Veggie Tales and all that crap. Atheists have one thing (The Golden Compass) and everyone goes bat shit. If people want to teach their kids religion thats cool. If people want to raise their kids atheists -not so much. Its just interesting that we get called intolerant, when in fact it's usually the opposite.


Well I think a lot of the controversy from that came from the fact that a lot of the atheistic message within the Golden Compass was behind the scenes. Veggie Tales comes straight out and says, “Yeah, we’re a Christian show,” but I guarantee you that if we tried to sneak a Christian cartoon onto cartoon network or public television without advertising it as that, and then direct it at children, people would get mad.

Still, you’re right, there is a double standard. That’s what made me hate religious people for so long. So many of them are flatly hypocritical, it’s utterly annoying. I want them to just go ahead and shut up, they’re only exacerbating things. I don’t see why they feel the urge to attack people for disbelief. Now, I can get why they’d want to convert somebody.

I mean…if you believed you knew how to save somebody from an eternal damnation, as Christians do, wouldn’t you do everything you could to save them? It’d be cold blooded not to.

Still, it doesn’t do any good to go around calling names and flaming or flipping out-and I was incredibly mad about the controversy about the Golden Compass. I wanted to see that, but my red-neck-run town of idiotic zealots blocked it from the movie-theatre.
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Sounds like your run-of-the-mill atheist in the public eye.

My bet; is his agent or producer that told him to cut down the atheist talk so they could sell more books and movie tickets.

My roommate is currently making me read The Golden Compass and so far I'm almost to the end of the first book and i haven't really seen too much of the "atheist agenda". Appearently, the real religion bashing doesn't even really show up until the end of the second book.

The only thing i've seen in the first book that was even remotely anti-religion was when two characters were talking about the Tartars and how they scalp each other and cut a layer of bone away from the top of their heads because they believe it'll help them hear god better. Then another character says something amongst the line of how thats stupid. The charater wasn't even direct about it, so i don't know how the first movie is suppost to be that bad. Granted i haven't seen it yet, still i think mostly people just heard he was an atheist and took everything he said way too far.
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Oh something else i forgot to mention. I loved when Passion of Christ came out in theaters and no atheists protested (around in my state at least) they actually went to see it.

The only bad thing i saw was when i came out of the theater was the local news crew was asking people what they thought about the movie (mainly they wanted to find out how gory the movie was) they interviewed me and i said it was a great work of fiction. As soon as i said that four christians ran over and started yelling at me.

They went on and on about how stupid i was being and how wrong i was. When they were done yelling they news lady thrusted the mic in my face and said, "Your rebutal?"

I answered, "Wow, what a great performance for the camera." I yawned. Then said, "This is boring." As i was walking away one of the christains ran in front of me and started yelling at me, i smiled and said, "The camera is off you can stop now. Shouldn't you be at a free clinic somewhere yelling at a raped, pregant girl about how she is going to hell for getting rid of her unwarranted fetus?"

That really pissed him off. Then he started to yell some more, so i kept walking toward a police officer i saw. When the officer saw that a man was yelling at me he asked what was going on, i told him this man is stalking me over my oppinion of a movie. The policeman told the man to step away from me or be arrested. As it turns out that guy started yelling at the cop about me and wouldn't stop yelling even when the cop asked him to calm down and go back with his friends. Long story short the man wouldn't so the cop arrested him.
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Well the movie itself cuts out the message for the most part. The controversy was a little crazy in my opinion. In not like anyone was forcing their kids to see it, or to buy the books. I freely admit though that the movie producers did not try to let people know about the atheistic nature of the work it was based on. Pullman himself though was always a bit more open : ""I'm trying to undermine the basis of Christian belief," was one thing he said.

I was a little sad to see him say things like this "it doesn’t matter to me whether people believe in God or not, so I’m not promoting anything of that sort." It strikes me as dishonest. While I think his books are fantastic, this does lead me to question Pullmans ethics.


Yeah, I really hate it when people contradict each other. I also think it’s a little pointless to try and undermine Christianity, though that’s certainly hypocritical of me, given my own past. Well, I’ve never read the book and I didn’t get to see the movie-but I read a couple articles. I do think the controversy was absurd.

One person argued, “They kill God in the Golden Compos,” and I was like, “Do they kill God, or a fairly tale entity that happens to be the deity of a fictional universe?” Now, if he came out and wrote about blasting Christ’s brains out-then I’d understand being offended. Even still though, he’s welcome to make movies like that, and if you don’t like it, don’t watch it.

Also, even if the atheistic content was present in the movie, and behind the scenes…it’s a parents responsibility make sure they know what they’re showing their children.

Lastly, I want to know why all these zealots think that they’re allowed to try and convert people to their ways, but other people don’t have that same right…

As far as Pullman goes... Yeah, I'm betting he toned down the antireligion to sell books and make money.

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Oh something else i forgot to mention. I loved when Passion of Christ came out in theaters and no atheists protested (around in my state at least) they actually went to see it.

The only bad thing i saw was when i came out of the theater was the local news crew was asking people what they thought about the movie (mainly they wanted to find out how gory the movie was) they interviewed me and i said it was a great work of fiction. As soon as i said that four christians ran over and started yelling at me.

They went on and on about how stupid i was being and how wrong i was. When they were done yelling they news lady thrusted the mic in my face and said, "Your rebutal?"

I answered, "Wow, what a great performance for the camera." I yawned. Then said, "This is boring." As i was walking away one of the christains ran in front of me and started yelling at me, i smiled and said, "The camera is off you can stop now. Shouldn't you be at a free clinic somewhere yelling at a raped, pregant girl about how she is going to hell for getting rid of her unwarranted fetus?"

That really pissed him off. Then he started to yell some more, so i kept walking toward a police officer i saw. When the officer saw that a man was yelling at me he asked what was going on, i told him this man is stalking me over my oppinion of a movie. The policeman told the man to step away from me or be arrested. As it turns out that guy started yelling at the cop about me and wouldn't stop yelling even when the cop asked him to calm down and go back with his friends. Long story short the man wouldn't so the cop arrested him.


Well, the Passion was directed at adults. It was also advertised as religious, where as the movie mentioned previously was not. It was played off as a fantasy, as was the book. Still, I have nothing against it, but there is a difference.

I’m afraid you seem to be the bad guy to me. I mean, you’re completely within your rights. Those “Christians,” were idiots and should learn to shut up. However, that’s a touchy topic. You’re smart enough to know that, or at least you seem to have an image of yourself as somebody who is. It’s something that means a lot to people. There were men and women weeping over that movie, and while you might not understand that, its still sentimental.

What you said about that movie was bound to offend somebody, and you’re bound to have realized that. Yet, you said it. That’s just rude and disrespectful. Now, mind you, you’re free to say it. However, I’m free to come in and make fun of your mother who just died, to rub salt in your wound. I’m free to call you a prick and say all sorts of things to your friends, relatives, and loved ones. You’d get offended, you can say you wouldn’t, but the fact is you would.

Maybe you’re mature enough not to start shouting about it, though I doubt it-because few people are, but what you said was essentially the same thing. Christians love their messiah, and you made a joke out of a monument to his death. You might as well have pissed on the grave of somebody’s papa.

Then, once you had somebody infuriated, you purposefully instigated him. You purposefully exacerbated the situation. Then, when somebody with authority shows up, you play innocent. Well, I don’t know you, but you certainly don’t portray a very kind image of yourself.

People need to have more respect for each other. We don’t gain anything from walking around and saying things that we already know are going to hurt people. You’re free to blow clouds of smoke at your waitress, but you shouldn’t, it’s not nice-it’s rude. There’s something called manors, and a major part of having them is having respect for your fellow man.

Why divide the people, why make such a massive gap between Christians and non-Christians?

In 70 CE Titus marched on Jerusalem. Titus hated the Jews with a passion. Rather they were Jewish by lineage or Jewish by belief, he hated them. So, when he laid siege to the city he gave an offer to the denizens. He would allow the Gentiles who lived there to walk away, abandon Jerusalem, and live without restraint. The Jews, however, would be subjected to his wrath.

Naturally the Gentiles saved themselves. The result was a rift created between the Jews and the non-jews-who were eventually integrated into Roman society. The Jews felt betrayed and abandon. Jerusalem was destroyed, save the western wall-which eventually became called the wailing wall. Everything else was obliterated.

More than a million Jews died during the siege, mostly by starvation, dehydration, or disease. Less than a hundred thousand survived. These were taken in as Roman slaves and toys. Many were crucified or tortured to death while their family watched. Seventy thousand became slaves.

The Jews partially accredited this to those who they felt had turned their backs on them. The Gentiles-mostly Romans now, became indignant about being associated with something like that, since they themselves were not directly responsible. Well, this bread anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism that wormed its-way into the Roman version of Christianity as it became the state religion.

The early church began passing laws against Jews. Generations later Hitler convinced the secular masses of his justness with relative ease. The Christians, however, were not so easily pulled. They were leery of the incredibly liberal man. (Yes, he was a liberal, and agreed with the democrats on almost everything. He was an animal rights activist, he wanted universe and state owned health care, he even wanted that health care to focus on veterans and elderly, and he hated the free-market of the republicans.)

How’d he convince them? By justifying his actions with actions of the Roman church. Hitler never created a law against the Jews, he simply recycled previous laws passed against them. Little by little he used church laws to make the Jews look like they had done something wrong. Eventually this bred people to think they deserved to be punished, and over time this sentiment evolved to mean that they were naturally inferior.

What resulted was that, in 1938, on and in honor of the birthday of Martin Luther-the greatest anti-Semite in history, the first large scale Nazi-program took place. The holocaust. What do I credit this to? To Titus creating a gap between Jew and gentile. More directly, from the Jews relating gentiles murders. Even more directly, to the gap itself.
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