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Posted 9/24/11 , edited 9/24/11

Nylar wrote:

I really wanted to love ComiPo! It looks like a fun program to create Manga with, and I was excited to see where the developers take it. However after reading Jason Thompson's review of the program, I have decided not to ever purchase this program, nor will I recommend it to anyone. Read his review here:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/house-of-1000-manga/2011-09-15

And pay attention to the last section of the review about copyright issues, legality making any funds off your work, and the worst IMO, not making any comic that disturbs the "public morals". Yes ladies and gentleman, because we all live by the same code....let me tell you, I live in the Southern US, and well yea, enough said...sigh. If all you want to to is make comics to post to your facebook or share with friends in class/at work, go for it. For any other reason, I do not recommend this software at all!

If the developers of this software decide to remove their sad excuse for an EULA, I will happily buy and promote their product, but until that time, this is a no go.


I wrote a thing about this at http://www.comipoforums.com/english-comipo-news/clearing-up-the-comipo-copyright-license-t23.html but am sharing parts here.

The company has started several times that any work created by you is yours. They hold no copyright on anything you create with ComiPo!.

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"ComiPo_Info_en ComiPo! Info
@
@monkelban 1)We do not claim a royalty for use of the character and image rights. Please use more and more. Commercial use is OK. #comipo"

Facebook FAQ

"We hold full copyrights with respect to ComiPo! Assets. We neither abandon
any of them, nor give, transfer, sell or grant any of them to you in any
sense.
Therefore, ComiPo! Assets are not copyrights free.
If you publish your works created by using ComiPo! Assets in other applications
than ComiPo! software, you infringe our copyrights.


However, we do not lay copyright claim on your creative works
(composition of characters, panels, story, scripts, etc.) as far as you
use ComiPo! software legally."

From the EULA on my computer

"2 LLP will not lay any copyright claim to the comics you create by using this SOFTWARE.
3 You may not lay any copyright claim to any visual representation such as characters included in SOFTWARE."

EDIT: I have contacted ComiPo! for clarification on section 4 of the EULA that mentions the use against "public order and morals"
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Posted 9/24/11

b33rnuts wrote:


Nylar wrote:

I really wanted to love ComiPo! It looks like a fun program to create Manga with, and I was excited to see where the developers take it. However after reading Jason Thompson's review of the program, I have decided not to ever purchase this program, nor will I recommend it to anyone. Read his review here:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/house-of-1000-manga/2011-09-15

And pay attention to the last section of the review about copyright issues, legality making any funds off your work, and the worst IMO, not making any comic that disturbs the "public morals". Yes ladies and gentleman, because we all live by the same code....let me tell you, I live in the Southern US, and well yea, enough said...sigh. If all you want to to is make comics to post to your facebook or share with friends in class/at work, go for it. For any other reason, I do not recommend this software at all!

If the developers of this software decide to remove their sad excuse for an EULA, I will happily buy and promote their product, but until that time, this is a no go.


I wrote a thing about this at http://www.comipoforums.com/english-comipo-news/clearing-up-the-comipo-copyright-license-t23.html but am sharing parts here.

The company has started several times that any work created by you is yours. They hold no copyright on anything you create with ComiPo!.

Twtitter

"ComiPo_Info_en ComiPo! Info
@
@monkelban 1)We do not claim a royalty for use of the character and image rights. Please use more and more. Commercial use is OK. #comipo"

Facebook FAQ

"We hold full copyrights with respect to ComiPo! Assets. We neither abandon
any of them, nor give, transfer, sell or grant any of them to you in any
sense.
Therefore, ComiPo! Assets are not copyrights free.
If you publish your works created by using ComiPo! Assets in other applications
than ComiPo! software, you infringe our copyrights.


However, we do not lay copyright claim on your creative works
(composition of characters, panels, story, scripts, etc.) as far as you
use ComiPo! software legally."

From the EULA on my computer

"2 LLP will not lay any copyright claim to the comics you create by using this SOFTWARE.
3 You may not lay any copyright claim to any visual representation such as characters included in SOFTWARE."

There is also no mention anywhere on not being able to make adult comics or anything against the public moral. I have no idea where he came up with this.


I don't read many reviews and those I do read I hardly take serious. This is one of them. He doesn't have all his facts straight, but that doesn't stop him from making statements like this.

People need to do their own research before they decide not to watch or use something. Seriously people. We have our own minds, let's use them.
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I don't read many reviews and those I do read I hardly take serious. This is one of them. He doesn't have all his facts straight, but that doesn't stop him from making statements like this.

People need to do their own research before they decide not to watch or use something. Seriously people. We have our own minds, let's use them.


I completely agree. The reviewer in this case made no effort to clear this matter up and just posted his own interpretation of what he read. Lord only knows where he got the "public moral" nonsense that he mentioned. His information is incorrect and continues to spread confusion about the matter. Even with several statements from the company no edits have been made to his original review.

Partial blame also falls on CrunchyRoll and ComiPo! though for not contacting the author to try and correct the matter. Any dedicated PR staff should have clearly seen this issue and would have made an effort to correct it. (CrunchyRoll included because they have a vested intrest in the product because they sell it.)

EDIT: The public morals comment can be found under section 4 of the EULA.
4. LIMITATIONS
1 You may not
...
(7) infringe publicity right or copyright of any third party, or use SOFTWARE by means against public order or morals.
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So I guess this means I'll have to practice my art skills more.

I have a slightly ( Um OK maybe more) pervy sense of humor. Crap.... Pro magna/comic creators get to be "adult". Why can't we? As long as we put up warning labels everything should be cool right? It's not our fault if little kids get in stuff they shouldn't. The parents should be watching them.

Edit: OK don't know if ComiPo really decided to limit it to just PG13 stuff..............but still.............
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Thundercat1 wrote:

So I guess this means I'll have to practice my art skills more.

I have a slightly ( Um OK maybe more) pervy sense of humor. Crap.... Pro magna/comic creators get to be "adult". Why can't we? As long as we put up warning labels everything should be cool right? It's not our fault if little kids get in stuff they shouldn't. The parents should be watching them.

Edit: OK don't know if ComiPo really decided to limit it to just PG13 stuff..............but still.............


I have a er.. similar problem which is why I tried to look into it. CrunchyRoll is a PG site so its not something to share here, But feel free to use the adult section on http://www.comipoforums.com/
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I actually found the "public morals" line in the EULA.

4. LIMITATIONS
1 You may not
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(7) infringe publicity right or copyright of any third party, or use SOFTWARE by means against public order or morals.

I have no idea what they are saying here since this is subjective. I have contacted them for a statement.
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B33rnuts, thank you very much for your response. However, according to the Review from Geeking out, they also found issue with the software license based on who owns the work created with comipo! I will read through the licensing agreement on the trial when I get to the house.

From Comipo!'s Facebook Q/A page:

We hold full copyrights with respect to ComiPo! Assets. We neither abandon
any of them, nor give, transfer, sell or grant any of them to you in any
sense.
Therefore, ComiPo! Assets are not copyrights free.
If you publish your works created by using ComiPo! Assets in other applications
than ComiPo! software, you infringe our copyrights.

-This states that you cannot export their figures/houses/backdrops etc and use them in other programs like Photoshop or Manga Studio. (No problem there)

However, we do not lay copyright claim on your creative works
(composition of characters, panels, story, scripts, etc.) as far as you
use ComiPo! software legally.

-If this is the case, you hold all rights to your story and character design, and storyboard/panel layout, however you cannot make any money or publish any work you create with their software.

In other words, currently, this is only the hobbyist, and cannot be used on a professional basis. If this is not the case, their legalese needs to be reworded and clarified. Do not hate on people for taking reviewers on their word. Reviewing something is their job, so customers can make an informed decision. As to the statements being made by the company being updated in their FAQ, because I just checked it and the above was all I found. Informed consumerism is something we all need more of.

Thanks again B33rnuts, I await further response from the company on their page or the official forums.
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Posted 9/24/11 , edited 9/24/11
@Nylar
I've been a Japanese version user and if the English version's terms of use is the same as Japanese one, as long as you use Comipo in your image processing, you can use it commercially. For it's one of their sales point.

Now will you read the FAQ carefully again?

FAQ32 says
"ComiPo! Assets are not copyrights free. If you publish your works created by using ComiPo! Assets in other applications than ComiPo! software, you infringe our copyrights."

"However, we do not lay copyright claim on your creative works (composition of characters, panels, story, scripts, etc.) as far as you use ComiPo! software legally."

This means, publishing images or 3D models in Comipo WITHOUT USING COMIPO is forbidden. For example, if you use raw Comipo backgound images, the folder of which you can easily access, with Photoshop or Comic studio and publish it, you will infringe their copyrights. But publishing images USING COMIPO, is free and there's no restriction personally and commercially. If you create images using Comipo and then import the images to other software such as Photoshop, it's completely OK. You can use them freely, personally and commercially as well.

If you have question, ask official support. Their response is quick.
http://www.facebook.com/Manga.Maker.ComiPo?sk=app_141149985924076
or twitter
https://twitter.com/#!/ComiPo_Info_en
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Thanks for the clarification hekemoko! Looks like I will be picking this up soon! It was not clear to me that Comipo! was a publishing platform as well.
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Nylar wrote:

Thanks for the clarification hekemoko! Looks like I will be picking this up soon! It was not clear to me that Comipo! was a publishing platform as well.


You're welcome. Anyway, it's a fact that current English version has many limitation such as no-free-posing, no-3D-import.
So you should download the trial version before the purchase .
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Posted 9/24/11
OH YES! I LOVE CRUCHY ROLL!!! ive been waiting for this!!!!!
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Yup, more schoolgirls:

It's a little hard to do anything else right now, though.
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hekemoko wrote:


Nylar wrote:

Thanks for the clarification hekemoko! Looks like I will be picking this up soon! It was not clear to me that Comipo! was a publishing platform as well.


You're welcome. Anyway, it's a fact that current English version has many limitation such as no-free-posing, no-3D-import.
So you should download the trial version before the purchase .


I feel like it's just a matter of time before were caught up with Japan. What I'm hoping for (besides being able to create my own poses.) Is new outfits.
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What? No.



no no no no....no no no no.

And what? All of us who bust our behinds to draw are...what? Too complicated for you? I feel like you're trivializing what we have to go through to push out product.

But that's ok...I'm sure many people will find this helpful and fun and... *sob

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djwaglmuffin wrote:

What? No.



no no no no....no no no no.

And what? All of us who bust our behinds to draw are...what? Too complicated for you? I feel like you're trivializing what we have to go through to push out product.

But that's ok...I'm sure many people will find this helpful and fun and... *sob



We live in a world where XKCD exists, and you think Comipo is trivializing the work that goes into comics?
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