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mvirgilio wrote:

I always wanted a debate with an Evangelical, Though it's kinda hard to hold back my dark side... I'll try and keep my questions and reasoning nice.

Umm... I have a theory about the interpretation of the scriptures that kills most of if not all of the contradictions of the Genesis chapters, which debunks the entire point of the baptism ritual... (the very rite of passage into Christianity).

I don't believe Adam and Eve are the father and mother of all humanity, by interpretation of genesis. I don't believe that garden paradise is part of the realm we call Earth per say as well... more a place closer to the creator. I believe that he cast them to the earth as human due to jealousy, that his 2 companions found themselves realizing they are different from the creator (I mean how would you act if one of your buddies who you always believed to be an equal to you, suddenly turned out to be someone amazingly superior to you, your ruler by point of fact... and vice-versa if you were that lonely ruler in want of a buddy). And as such within this realm with humans already living in it since they were made in chapter 1, I believe their family line ended with Cain and Able (the sons [no females detected] of Adam and Eve), one murdered and the other forced to wander bearing some sort of charm that blocked of all human interaction (see it even mentions in the scriptures that humans were already present there).

... anyway with this belief, we turn to baptism, the purpose of which is washing away "original sin"... if we are NOT descendants of Adam and Eve as I believe, then the so called "fall of man" did not ever happen... by all logic we have bugger all of this original sin within us from the start.

Well baptism is a crucial component of the entire christian religion, it's a baptist faith that Jesus himself adopted as his own... if he's wrong about that... well, what other blind faiths must I adhere to from him?

I also have questions about some of the miracles which make the religion sound like a cult following no matter how you read it... turning water to wine (luxurious...), Resurrecting the dead (isn't that dark and widely considered a taboo) ... Exorcising a demon from a living human (just the mention of that now days would set off alarm bells within social services, there are proper ways to deal with the mentally ill, in these modern times even in Christian societies this sort of exorcising stuff is considered taboo as well).


... I hope I didn't get too carried away there, I'm agnostic to a certain degree (to be honest pretty close to atheist but holding on to some hope), but I just cant bring myself to believe the christian religion for many reasons. I just wanted to know an evangelical's understanding of these beliefs are... I doubt I can be convinced, but give it a shot.

(darkness restraint notice: about 3 paragraphs worth of potential poison erased)


EDIT: Just an FYI, I'm taking advantage of this thread to post this as usually when I find an evangelical to ask this stuff to and work my way to directing the conversation to this topic... well usually if they sense any form of debate they get all moody and strop off. this is a good opportunity to finally get some reactions


Whats funny is you put in all this effort and he will just come back with 3-4 lines of vague nonsense and will be like "I WON CUZ BIBLE SAID SO!!!!"


yeah I know, still not wasting an opportunity. This sort of stuff gets on my mind a lot (mostly due to thinking of ways to make preachers squirm... I know it's poisonous of me but there are just so many of them around here and I want to see it)
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I have nineteen simple words to say: There is no god or Jesus I have never believed in either one of them and I never will.
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So....we are supposed to follow a collection of books written by humans and edited down from several hundreds to 66+ (depending on what denomination); Those of which initially was decided by a Roman Emperor who saw no other way to save his empire than to adopt the pop culture belief of his time? Sorry, when you die your brain full of a complex connection of neurons that creates a consciousness will no longer fire and will cease to exist. Just like turning the power off on your computer.
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the same could be said about history textbooks as well. Those are written by man to be taken as fact, however we skew history and re-write for our own benefit in order to show that we are not evil, our own achievements as a race in "some else words" etc blah etc. I am no way sticking up for the bible etc, however along the lines there might be some truth in the text somewhere or somethings in there might have happened. We don't know for sure, and not being able to ever find out is called a devil's proof. You can deny something exist over and over again, but do you have any evidence to prove otherwise "or is the definition" etc... meh.. sorry kinda bored.
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Is that really?
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Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:



the same could be said about history textbooks as well. Those are written by man to be taken as fact, however we skew history and re-write for our own benefit in order to show that we are not evil, our own achievements as a race in "some else words" etc blah etc. I am no way sticking up for the bible etc, however along the lines there might be some truth in the text somewhere or somethings in there might have happened. We don't know for sure, and not being able to ever find out is called a devil's proof. You can deny something exist over and over again, but do you have any evidence to prove otherwise "or is the definition" etc... meh.. sorry kinda bored.


Exactly my point. I was just sharing my belief of the matter, but mainly just responding to the initial post. Why should I believe in this specific text as compared to any other? Just trying to turn this into an actual discussion than just a flame war between Christians and everyone else.
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If you talk to God you're religious. If God talks to you, you're psychotic...
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Let's reform our Catholic beliefs!! Let us bring back the enthusiasm of the old times!! Let us bring religion back into good light, for it is, unfortunately, in most people's bad graces these days!!
White lord, my love!!!
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Vishnu will not tolerate this shit.
Bow to the real GOD, bitches.








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Posted 9/30/11

JoeSurf wrote:

JESUS LOVES!!! HE LOVES YOU I TELLS YA HE LOVES YOU AND IT DRIVES ME INSANE BUT IN SOME WEIRD EPIPHANY WAYYYYY!!!!

Glory to Christ Almighty. |-.-| Amen!!!!

EDIT: Have you read revelations? The 144000? Those were the people from the OLD TESTAMENT!!! However... WE, are the ones referred to as, "The inumerable masses from 'all walks of life', language and heritage'."

What better way than to start on Crunchyroll, my dear friends? ^-^


Amen to that
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And your commanding officer is at the field. I trust all are keeping their lines? Yes? Good! Hello, freaks of nature. Of course! Only the walking dead would have some gull to speak to me while I attempt to slumber. Why? Because you feel power during the night. Why? Because you're an idiot. Again... I say?

Jesus, is Lord of Lords and Host of Hosts.

Do you guys wish to break from your perverted shackles? No??? Too bad, it will hurt. Callouses will burn you.

EDIT: Come on, demons. Speak to me! I'm very nice. I will make things go easy on you. ^-^
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Vishnu, Shiva, and Brahmin- they mah niggas.
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Adam was gay.

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infidels spotted


on a related note.
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