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TheAncientOne wrote:If you really wanted to rail against something being listed as a simulcast, a better target would be something like The [email protected], which is over 3 weeks behind the first airing in Japan.

I guess my definition of simulcast is something along the lines of faster than fansubs. Idolmaster and Dantalian are/were shows I watched with fansubs because they were faster than CR, and now F/Z and Majikoi. I'm just frustrated with the "timed exclusive" business model. It's not CR's fault they get dealt these lame deals, I'm glad (for others) that they go ahead and take them, but I still think they need to be a bit more transparent with their announcements.
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No UK again?! and Naruto and bleach are still in filler. Remind me crunchy, why am i paying for my membership? XD At least reduce the UK fees (and everywhere else suffering from reduced shows due to licensing). I personally dont think its fair for, lets say the US for example, to be paying the same fees and getting more shows. Thats my little moan for the day; I may visit paypal to delete my recurring payment, i may not.

(also if someone could recommend a better site for licensed UK anime i'd appreciate it)
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dreamyspritey wrote:

No UK again?! and Naruto and bleach are still in filler. Remind me crunchy, why am i paying for my membership? XD At least reduce the UK fees (and everywhere else suffering from reduced shows due to licensing). I personally dont think its fair for, lets say the US for example, to be paying the same fees and getting more shows. Thats my little moan for the day; I may visit paypal to delete my recurring payment, i may not.

(also if someone could recommend a better site for licensed UK anime i'd appreciate it)

If you want to get an idea of what the UK would get if it went it alone, check out Anime on Demand. While there, compare their monthly rate and how many shows you get, vs. what you pay Crunchyroll and how many shows you get.

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I've had a quick gander and its about the same with regards to the annual pass. Its just frustrating when you pay for a service and some users probably pay the same but get greater access to the multimedia available. I understand CR do try to get the licenses but surely they must understand the frustration some users feel when a good 2/3s of the titles (thats a rough guess from the spring line up the last time i looked, i remember only having access to 4 or so of the shows they had on offer) are unavailable due to the licensing restrictions.

Edit: Just as a test i've had a quick flick through the titles on offer this fall and CR has done a much better job this time around for securing new titles for the UK than they did during the spring - spring was fairly awful from what i can recall. I'll gander though them at my leisure. Well done CR, you have abated the rage... for now
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WilyamShiekia wrote: What about your UK audience, do they not like anime too.....
Wow, talk about a whinging pom. Last season I could see complaints from the UK ~ but this season, when you've got 7 out of 8 licenses so far, you complain about the only one that was only offered to Crunchyroll for North America?

Indeed, it wouldn't be surprising if its offered on Anime on Demand, compared to the members in the Netherlands or Scandinavia that have one free stream and one more premium stream, and likely no other legit access until/unless a series comes out on US or UK DVD.

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WilyamShiekia wrote: What about your UK audience, do they not like anime too.....
Wow, talk about a whinging pom. Last season I could see complaints from the UK ~ but this season, when you've got 7 out of 8 licenses so far, you complain about the only one that was only offered to Crunchyroll for North America?

Indeed, it wouldn't be surprising if its offered on Anime on Demand, compared to the members in the Netherlands or Scandinavia that have one free stream and one more premium stream, and likely no other legit access until/unless a series comes out on US or UK DVD.



Indeed Agila. This season and last season made me decide that I won't be subscribing for another year. Got the Christmas promo of last year, so i'll wait until the last day to cancel it. But yeah, i'll just have to wait and see to reconsider subscribing. For me it's back to fansubs to get my anime injection here for when they come out.

I guess a lot of people will mind if I do this, but giving the same amount as people who get a lot more just doesn't justify the costs of the subscription. I'm sorry but that's just the simple fact.
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This show's got some really great potential.
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LogiForce wrote: Indeed Agila. This season and last season made me decide that I won't be subscribing for another year. Got the Christmas promo of last year, so i'll wait until the last day to cancel it. But yeah, i'll just have to wait and see to reconsider subscribing. For me it's back to fansubs to get my anime injection here for when they come out.

I guess a lot of people will mind if I do this, but giving the same amount as people who get a lot more just doesn't justify the costs of the subscription. I'm sorry but that's just the simple fact.
How much anyone gets depends, of course, on their tastes as well as region restrictions ~ it doesn't give someone value for their subscription if they have thirty to choose from if they only want to watch one of those thirty.

If I was down to one or two series I wanted to watch, I'd let my subscription lapse and watch that one or two with ads.

But given that licensing series in Northern Europe seems to have turned harder, for some reason, and since it will always be hard in places like Southeast Asia, I'd think Crunchyroll should consider offering a per series subscription option ~ say, three months worth of one series shows for the one month subscription price.
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LogiForce wrote: Indeed Agila. This season and last season made me decide that I won't be subscribing for another year. Got the Christmas promo of last year, so i'll wait until the last day to cancel it. But yeah, i'll just have to wait and see to reconsider subscribing. For me it's back to fansubs to get my anime injection here for when they come out.

I guess a lot of people will mind if I do this, but giving the same amount as people who get a lot more just doesn't justify the costs of the subscription. I'm sorry but that's just the simple fact.
How much anyone gets depends, of course, on their tastes as well as region restrictions ~ it doesn't give someone value for their subscription if they have thirty to choose from if they only want to watch one of those thirty.

If I was down to one or two series I wanted to watch, I'd let my subscription lapse and watch that one or two with ads.

But given that licensing series in Northern Europe seems to have turned harder, for some reason, and since it will always be hard in places like Southeast Asia, I'd think Crunchyroll should consider offering a per series subscription option ~ say, three months worth of one series shows for the one month subscription price.


I Agree. It is indeed matter of taste as well of course. But it's like just with digital television via cable/ether/sat. You opt for a package but in the end only watch 2 shows a week and the evening news, but they'll continue to broadcast tons of stuff 24/7. Up until recently you couldn't pick one thing to watch and pay just for that. You'd have to pay for all the other stuff as well along the way regardless of what you like. Now you have tv on demand with which you pay per show or movie you want to watch. And even then you need to get the basic package first before you can us the tv on demand feature at all (at least here).

The one reason why CR would not quickly choose an per anime subscription model is that their stream of income would become very insecure and too unstable for them to continue delivering the shows as is. Although from my current point of view I would personally like that model more as a customer who lives in insecure territories when it comes to what is available per season regardless of taste for what I would like to see.

Oh well, we will see what happens in the future. Besides in these economic times it isn't bad to be careful with money.
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I hope that the last one is available in my country. it is the worst season if you live outside of US. Only 3 titles and all those titles aren't the ones that I like. 3/8 it is less than 50% of the titles.
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I have been wondering this for a while, if different countries have different licensing agreements, why do we never see a show unavailable to the US? Is crunchy to worried it will annoy their american subscribers? because im sure it would be a lot cheaper to get licenses for some titles outside of the US. Here they are fighting among funimation/viz/4kids for licensing rights to the anime. Im sure other places have their own funimation like company, but not even 1 obscure title has been non US. Im not complaining cause being in Canada i get everything too, ive only seen Gundam 00 tell me its not available in my country and that was a long time ago. Just been wondering why crunchy doesn't try to cater to their non us audience.
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I have been wondering this for a while, if different countries have different licensing agreements, why do we never see a show unavailable to the US?

The reason is because the United States is the "make or break" country for Crunchyroll. I saw it mentioned once that 60% of CR's revenue comes from the United States alone.

At one time that Crunchyroll could make up for the short fall between the number of series available in the U.S. vs. other countries by licensing titles for other countries only that were already licensed by someone else in the United States. I eventually learned this simply was not economically viable at the current time.

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Ouch4u wrote:

Just been wondering why crunchy doesn't try to cater to their non us audience.


Because the U.S. is the largest market for anime outside of Japan. Getting rights to stream in other territories might be cheaper, but without the North American market, the number of views would likely be too low to cover the license.
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joelrd wrote: I hope that the last one is available in my country. it is the worst season if you live outside of US. Only 3 titles and all those titles aren't the ones that I like. 3/8 it is less than 50% of the titles.
Actually, 7 out of 8 so far are available to people that live outside the US. Its just that two of them are UK. Ireland, Australia and New Zealand, with two more only adding South Africa. So the limit is not "North America", like so many catalog titles ~ its "the English speaking countries".


Ouch4u wrote:

I have been wondering this for a while, if different countries have different licensing agreements, why do we never see a show unavailable to the US? Is crunchy to worried it will annoy their american subscribers? ...
To elaborate on what TAO said, the revenues have to cover contracting costs. Often the "boundaries" around specific common groups of regions are created by regional divisions of responsibility on the licensing side.

That is, consider a licensor that has the world split up into three regions, and three different divisions, or even three different licensing companies, are responsible for the different regions.

The contract with Crunchyroll for "Region A" has to generate enough revenue to the licensor in Japan to justify the costs of agreeing to the contract (and also generate enough revenue to Crunchyroll for its contracting costs). Same for Region B and Region C.

If Region A includes the US, and a set of other countries, that is going to be the large majority of possible revenues in that region. Regions B and C will split up the rest. It is much harder for the Region B and Region C license contracts to cover their contracting costs to the licensor.

And remember that the North American streaming-ad market is the strongest streaming-ad market in the world: if premium subscribers in the US cover the overheads costs of subtitling and mastering the episodes, then the ad-streaming is some (not a lot, but some) additional revenue. In many parts of the world, where there is not a well developed streaming-ad market, ad-based streaming won't cover bandwidth costs, and they will basically have to be subsidized by premium members.

So the margins are narrower for many regions of the world outside the US. There's no problem with that with a simulcast where the US subscriber revenue is covering the subtitling and mastering cost ~ but it makes it very hard for subscribers in a set of countries outside the US to be able to cover the subtitling and mastering costs on their own.

And there are costs on the Japanese side in addition to contract costs, in getting materials to Crunchyroll for subtitling and for mastering, in approvals for series synopsis text (Japanese marketing people who speak English well enough to do that are not a dime a dozen), and etc. The smaller the region that it is being done for, the less likely there will be a net benefit at all, let alone a net benefit large enough to cover the up front contracting cost of both those deals that were signed and those deals where no agreement was reached.

Now, add on top of that, if a licensor has a set of countries, that does not mean it will automatically make all of those available to Crunchyroll. Broadcast goes to the front of the line ~ if there is a network or cable channel interested, and they want exclusive digital rights just to keep things simple, there aren't streaming rights available there. Next comes physical media, and, again, if they are willing to pay for exclusive digital rights, then there won't be streaming rights available there.

Then finally, Crunchyroll can only pick up a country if the royalty rates demanded make financial sense for Crunchyroll. I don't know the precise terms that are demanded, since I'm not privy to these contracts, but royalties could be either rate per view or percentage of revenue, and for either, ad-streaming can be blocked in countries that do not have a strong enough streaming-ad market to meet the terms.

Unlike previous seasons, when you set aside the sequels that have the same terms as the original ("same terms as the original" is of course an easy way to minimize contracting costs), there is a very regular pattern:

Type A: North America
Type B: Type A plus Australia, New Zealand, the UK and Ireland
Type C: Type B plus South Africa
Type D: Type C plus Northern Europe and premium members in South America, the Middle East, and the rest of Europe and Africa.

The only free access to South America, the Middle East, Africa outside of South Africa, and Europe outside of Northern Europe, and the only access to Southeast Asia at all, are sequels that have the same terms as the original.

Something along those lines is not so surprising, given the cost hurdles discussed above. The good news is that there is only one "Type A", North American only simulcast license (so far). But what is very disappointing is that there is only one "Type D", when just half a year ago there were so many series in Northern Europe, and roughly half the series in South America, Africa and the Middle East.

Once all season's simulcasts have been rolled out, it seems like Crunchyroll's first priority ought to be to expand the regions for Hunter x Hunter. That is likely to be a long running series, and so the contracting costs on both sides can be spread across multiple seasons. And it fits in with the other long running shonen series that are the anchor for attracting members across the border from the "English Speaking Countries" "Type C"

And if the above pattern is likely to continue, Crunchyroll needs to come up with some form of a "partial" subscription, if it wishes to continue having subscribers outside of the "English Speaking Countries".
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Um...Why does it say it starts on Oct 7? It doesn't. A week late isn't a simulcast. I'm usually not one to complain since I know how the industry works, but don't advertise and then not deliver.
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