Vocabulary lists
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I'd like to start posting vocabulary lists for some anime episodes. That way, if you read over the list before you watch an episode, you can listen to see if you can catch the words when they come up in context.

I'd love it if other people would join in and post lists, too! I'm trying to post mine with (romaji/kana/kanji/English), with approximate timestamps (which minute of the episode they occur during), but you don't have to do it that way. Anything you can post will be helpful to people! Obviously, it's a fairly random smattering of words - those I was able to catch that I thought would be fun to try to remember. The point is just to get something out there that other Japanese learners can work with.

I've posted words from the first three episodes of Sasameki Koto here: http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-736176/episode-vocabulary-lists
and from the first episode of Morbito here: http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-736180/episode-vocabulary-lists

If you can post vocabulary from any episodes of any series, please reply with a link to your post! Thanks!

[EDIT] I want to emphasize that, no matter how much or how little time or skill you have, I hope you'll start posting vocab lists from shows you watch! They don't have to look like mine, or like anything at all - there are no minimum requirements, it can be as little as half a dozen words in roman characters, just as long as they appear in the episode you're referencing. Anything you can post is a resource to all of us who cherish the beloved myth, "I'm not slacking off to watch TV - I'm studying Japanese!"
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I think this is an interesting idea, but at the same time a little more meticulous than its worth. For one thing, the words are taken out of context, so it's hard to distinguish nuances between words. For example, 君 can be "kimi" or "kun" depending on how it was used in a sentence - but it only becomes ambiguous because we're reading it, and not hearing it spoken.

Another is that some of the words you mentioned are in conjugated forms. I honestly prefer teaching people the base or root words before shifting to conjugations, because by virtue of that, the learner will be able to conjugate for themselves instead of arbitrarily learning separate conjugations by rote.

Lastly, I noted some mistakes in your list - like 最古 instead of 最高 for "the best". You ought to double check things, first, before you finalize them.


Don't get me wrong, I think this is an interesting idea and I'm willing to support it - I'm just pointing out its short comings. I believe that if you want to make it series-specific to make meaningful understanding out of lines said, you should bring in the entire sentence or key sentences with learning points that can help the viewer learn a little bit more with the context of the show, instead of alienating the words from the series, altogether. Besides, it's not as if 君 appears in just Sasameki Koto and not Moribito. Not respecting this fact would mean making heavily redundant vocabulary lists, if you catch my drift.
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edsamac,

Thanks for catching my error. I think I just won't post kanji - people can hover over the kana with rikaichan anyway!

I wanted to post the words as they're pronounced in the episode, rather than the base form, because I (for one) have enough trouble recognizing them already - I wouldn't stand a chance mentally converting conjugated to base form for unfamiliar words in my head as I watch. But I hope other people will post lists, too, and they can post however they want!

Full sentences would be great. If my Japanese is ever good enough to understand entire sentences, I'll post those, too. Maybe people better at Japanese can post full sentences.

Of course the lists will be redundant - the point is to have some words you can listen for when you watch... I'm imagining that people can scan the list and pick out a few words that they don't already know that they want to listen for, ignoring everything that they've already learned from other episodes of from wherever.
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catherinedevlin wrote:

I wanted to post the words as they're pronounced in the episode, rather than the base form, because I (for one) have enough trouble recognizing them already - I wouldn't stand a chance mentally converting conjugated to base form for unfamiliar words in my head as I watch. But I hope other people will post lists, too, and they can post however they want!


It may be helpful to put some kind of indicator to show that it's a conjugated variant. For ease of reference, you can also indicate the base (root) form. For example, in your list you had 怖くない. You could do something like this to show it's a conjugated variant, while showing the original word from which it was derived:

Kowakunai* (neg.) > 怖くない > こわくない > "Not scared"
   Kowai > 怖い > こわい > "Scared"

By doing this, people can start getting familiar with conjugations based on patterns. It's also good practice for you, the one sharing the vocabulary. ;)


catherinedevlin wrote:
Full sentences would be great. If my Japanese is ever good enough to understand entire sentences, I'll post those, too. Maybe people better at Japanese can post full sentences.


Of course, this will be rather complicated. Let me just show you what it may look like... (this is a line from Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai):



羽瀬川  小鷹 :  ダメ   だ    こいつ、  早く   なんとか  しない  と…
Hasegawa Kodaka  dame   da    koitsu   hayaku  nantoka  shinai  to
Hasegawa Kodaka not good plain cop. this person  quickly  something don't do if cond.
Hasegawa Kodaka: "She's crazy. I have to do something about this..."


This will make things long, and it will be difficult explaining the nuances in grammatical structures, too. For example, the literal translations here make it appear like the sentence would be "if I don't do something quick...", but the contextual translation becomes "I have to do something about this..." I can't bother myself to explain this in its entirety, since the point is really just the vocabulary - but that's my point, really. Vocabulary in the sense of what you want to share is easiest for nouns - but not so much so for things that get conjugated and changed through context.


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edsamac wrote:
This will make things long, and it will be difficult explaining the nuances in grammatical structures, too. For example, the literal translations here make it appear like the sentence would be "if I don't do something quick...", but the contextual translation becomes "I have to do something about this..." I can't bother myself to explain this in its entirety, since the point is really just the vocabulary - but that's my point, really. Vocabulary in the sense of what you want to share is easiest for nouns - but not so much so for things that get conjugated and changed through context.

If you produce something like that - even just for one episode of one series - I will applaud you with all my heart. And I'll watch it, even if it's a series I'd never normally watch.

But the point I wanted to make - and I think I'll edit my original post to say so - is that I hope people will just start posting stuff - word lists of any kind (so long as the words really are in the episode), with whatever time and skill they have available. Whether it's a textbook-quality study guide or just a half-dozen words in romaji, any vocab list that gets posted is one more resource that didn't exist before, one more resource for everyone who cherishes the fiction, "I'm not slacking off to watch TV, I'm studying Japanese!" The point is to get lots of people producing these. If yours are the cream of the crop, then more power to you!

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Posted 10/8/11
Oh, and do you know a Japanese teacher? Ask them to assign their students to produce and post a vocab list for the anime show of their choice! Best homework assignment ever, ne?

Finally, if you can't start a new thread in the forum of your chosen series because you don't have enough Crunchyroll membership points, tell me and I'll be happy to start a thread for you there.
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New vocabulary list for Chihayafuru at http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-747327/vocabulary-lists
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Sweet! I really appreciate you doing this!
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New vocabulary list for Hourou Musuko at http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-755623/vocabulary-lists
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Thanks. These look very helpful.
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