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Can hate really make you successful?
Posted 10/8/11
I wrote this thread because I just saw an article on myyearbook about Justin Bieber about why is he so popular when it seems everyone hates him?

Let's be honest, sometimes no matter what you do, someone will hate you just because they seen you and hating is fun and flows through pretty much everyone's veins.

For example, you rarely hear anything good about Justin Bieber or Rebecca Black,

All you read is comments about them being young retards and that everyone who likes them is just a homosexual.

Another interesting point,

Nobody likes Simon Cowell, I heard the guy's a douche and only puts people down because he gets paid to do it, apparently if he was nice, and gave everyone a fair shake, he's be less important, so Simon Cowell is one of the people who no one really likes, and the people that do like him(VERY Few, or so I heard) are apparently in the darker part of the human population.

Another good one is the company that everyone hates.

Apple Inc.

Every article you see will have the classic saying.

"Proud to say, I never owned an Apple product and never will."

The puzzling thing to most Apple Inc customers is. "Why do they avoid something they apparently never bought?"

Or. "If they never purchased anything Apple, isn't their opinion biased?"

"How can they judge something they never bought?"

After searching for awhile through Yahoo and IGN, I come across a formulated opinion from the average of both sites(And my own personal opinion mixed in).

Anti Apple seems to be self lifting to some. They will proud that they never owned an Apple product, placing themselves high above people who use Apple products, seeing them as mindless herds, rushing to by anything with a piece of fruit on it.

Apple users see it much differently.

While at BigAndroidBBQ, I was conversating with this Android fan about Apple and he said.

"Everyone here knows, hating Apple and liking Android comes hand in hand, you cannot love Android without hating Apple, To hate Apple is to love Android."

My friend who is an Android fan said. "The part where they smashed the iPhone was good."

I tried gathering all the info I could and heard more things like.

"Well personally, hate is something that people like to do, people hate Apple, and people hate to feel different so they all jumped on board the Apple hate train so they wouldn't feel disconnected."

That was said by an Android fan, stating he buy products he likes, and doesn't avoid any logo's.

"I'm proud to say I never owned an Apple product? If that's a reason to be proud, they must run a disappointing life."

Which made me chuckle a bit,

Then I thought if the Apple hate mentality could be transferred to Justin Bieber, Rebecca Black and Simon Cowell,

Do people hate what other people hate to fit in? Rumor has it, or just some wacko rumor I saw on iLounge is that Google made Android simply for iPhone haters,

It would be in line of why the Android platform is opposite of Apple, or tries to be anyway, and promotions of what Android does and that the IPhone doesn't, I know companies are competitive.

But surely you seen the advertisement of when the Android blows up the Apple? Most Android roms boot up with a picture of an Android's happiness to an iPhone's demise,

At the Android convention(I even video I'm uploading), Android fans rushed to the stage to watch the iPhone being smashed, everytime they saw an Apple Macbook, they had a negative comment to make about it,

They detested the iPhone and everything Apple,

The Big Android barbeque seemingly had more Apple hate than Android love, and scandalous articles about using Apple hate against them,

iPhone smashing is listed as a reason to go to the Android convention, Or so I heard at the convention itself.

One last interesting note, to get Android fans hyped,

An Android Fan(Singular Fan), celebrated the death of Steve Jobs on the IGN boards, he comment was flagged to hell and is no longer readable.

If Google really is cashing in on Apple hate, I don't agree with cashing in on hate, but corporations will do it anyway.

Justin Bieber and Rebecca Black aren't being cashed -- I don't think.

What do you guys think? Do people/corporations cash in on hate? Do they board trains to not feel left out? Can you be successful off hate?

Posted 10/8/11
Just saying, I love Simon Cowell. Anyhow back to the topic, I think that it depends. I don't want to elaborate, I am too lazy.
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Posted 10/8/11 , edited 10/9/11
Actually, I don't think hate alone would get you anywhere, may be we all just hate successful people.
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Posted 10/9/11
It can. The media loves dislike-able people, especially those in court.

Anyway, even thought there are a lot of people who hate Apple, there are more people who like Apple. It just happens to be that those who hate Apple are obnoxiously loud.
Posted 10/9/11
LOL.. i don't know. About Rebecca Black... Is it possible for anyone to like her? (from what I've heard from people)
I don't hate her. In fact, I haven't even heard her song "Friday" or whatever it's called.....
I mean, if it sounds bad. Just.... don't even LISTEN to it? Or is it the case "Curiousity killed the cat"? O_O
Erm........ The majority wins? Right?
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Posted 10/9/11 , edited 10/9/11
I don't think hate alone can make you successful.
Like Anders Behring Breivik, the person behind the Utøya massacre. He's undeniably the most despised man in Norway, and he's not gonna accomplish much more in his life, I can tell you that much...

The only ones that are going to make money off of him are the people who has nerve enough to try and cash in on it by making a movie about it, which probably won't happen for another thirty or fourty years, at least..
Posted 10/9/11
Tall poppy syndrome is a fact of life. Deal with it, but don't do it yourself.
Posted 10/9/11
I vastly prefer malice. Because with malice, you can put it into words. I like making my words sharp and mean. It keeps people away much more often. Anyways....


Does hate make you successful? Not unless you play by it. Which is harder then you might think. Using publicity and proven ideas to work around a single figurehead. Whether or not that figurehead is actually liked is another matter entirely. My best example is Obama. Bless his heart he's just tied up in the de factos that got him in presidency for him to do any good. The groups that helped him get into presidency are also the ones that support the war in Iraq. Which exxplains quite abit without me even having to explain.

What I mean is you can put up an image and you can work with it most of the time. I don't think hate makes you successful. I think playing on stupid makes you successful. Like all Bieber's tweenie fans they're just racing to spend their money on pillows with his face on it. That is pretty stupid, but not on the bureau part which uses appeal and publicity to make someone like him work.

.... Et cetera, someone can pick up where I left off.

Posted 10/9/11
Make documentaries on Adolf Hitler and other racists.
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Posted 10/9/11
hate brings about more hate... people nowadays rarely show their love for one another but can freely express their hatred for something or someone. It's all about fitting in
kinda sad, but true nonetheless...
but there's also the saying: "The more you hate, the more you love."
Posted 10/9/11
With the Justin Bieber point for example, the more people hate him the more people become curios and think "Hmm why do so many people hate this guy? I think I'll listen to Baby Baby and find out..." it feeds his fame! Haters are the retards because you're making matters worse and in time, worse for yourself. This applies to any hatred, it does you no good so why don't you be even more selfish and think about what hate is doing to you. Does it make your life any more interesting? No.
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Posted 10/9/11
If people hates you so much, you just got to prove them wrong. Like me when I'm playing football at my new school. Some of the kids hates me already, they don't know about me or how good I am. They just judge my looks and size, racist. Believe me I work hard than anybody on the football team. They could hate all they want. I'ma prove to them how better I am too campare to them.. I believe I'm better than them. Hate all you want. I do whatever it takes to be succesful because you hate me so much.
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Posted 10/9/11 , edited 10/9/11
The way things are protrayed in the media, tension and angst sell. In reality, very few of the topics written about are so loathed or revered as made out to be. It's revisionist hype made to generate click count and interest for the media writing about it. Noone wants to read about bland and boring, so a topic is either villianised or revered by the writer disproportionately as to seek attention for the subject written about. Look past the words written themselves and realize the style they're written in and the motive behind them is meant to be inflammatory or sensationalized as to get your attention. it's largely a self-fullfilling prophesy that people just take at face value. People are sheep when it comes to news and media. They take most of it at face value and only from sources that do not make them unconfortible with their own narrow views on existance. Apple bashing is a prime example of sheeple thought. People take at face value a social acceptence to attack a topic that they take at face value by their peers. Form your own opinions, don't steal others out of either ignorance or lazyiness.
Posted 10/9/11

BHawthorne wrote:

The way things are protrayed in the media, tension and angst sell. In reality, none of these things are so loathed or revered. It's revisionist hype made to generate click count and interest for the media writing about it. Noone wants to read about bland and boring, so a topic is either villianised or revered by the writer disproportionately as to seek attention for the subject written about. Look past the words written themselves and realize the style they're written in and the motive behind them is meant to be inflammatory or sensationalized as to get your attention.


Bland boring? Surely hate can't be that interesting can it? Or maybe it can? You do have a point though,

Also, as said in the OP, that would also be one of the many sorceress ways of manipulating haters.
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Posted 10/9/11 , edited 10/9/11

Aero-Mach wrote:
Bland boring? Surely hate can't be that interesting can it? Or maybe it can? You do have a point though,

Also, as said in the OP, that would also be one of the many sorceress ways of manipulating haters.


Hate is a form of emotional interest in a subject, just as love is. By their very nature they attract attention through emotions they invoke. They're also very basic tools for writers to elicit interest in their work. A writer isn't doing thier job unless they can elicit attention and emotion out of their readers. The more skilled the writer the more their writing can generate emotion and attention for the subject. Skill doesn't make tallent though, as most media reporting is trash. Attention and emotion at the expense of the truth is ethicly bankrupt. It doesn't stop modern media from doing anything they want to, to generate sensationalized topics for all of us to debate endlessly.

I would have never known who Justin Bieber was unless the news randomly wrote about him. He's certainly not popular for having any real tallent that I can see. He's purely a by-product of media and marketing promotion. Most of the other topics in the OP fit squarely in that category too. They all have been strategically reported and marketed to us as end users for consumption in a sensationalized manner. Why are these topics at interest to anyone? This is the way people are fed and have their sense of reality shaped by those that seek to profit from it. One must look to motive of a topic, not merely take the content fed to them at face value. There is always a reason behind everything communicated. Half the battle is understanding that. We are all told what to like and hate and take it at face value because it's written in such a way to elicit emotion that you connect and indentify with. This is seen in the irrational extremes of both pop music and topics such as Apple. Most of you didn't form those biases as original thought. You were spoon fed them over time.
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