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Do you think it is fine for people to simply watch unlicensed streaming anime?
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I do it all the time, I don't care. If I want to watch it, I do. I don't download or spread anything around. Plus if I like the series, I buy the DvD's more often than not.
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Dremux wrote:

I do it all the time, I don't care. If I want to watch it, I do. I don't download or spread anything around. Plus if I like the series, I buy the DvD's more often than not.


That's exactly where I would like to be on the matter. That's pretty much what I've been doing as well.

Do you buy DVDs of everything, or exclusively those you like? Because I think it would be overly-scrupulous on my part to buy DVDs of everything that I ever watched while unlicensed.

I have a good collection of DVDs, many complete series. I don't have a problem with buying DVDs or manga volumes. It's just....How do I get the unlicensed stuff?
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I support the legal anime streams but I do have a few sites that stream other series that crunchyroll doesn't have the rights to or the delay in release is really long on crunchyroll.
The last season of anime on crunchyroll was pretty boring to me with bleach/naruto being on fillers and the series they did pick up being delayed or just none that I liked so sad to say last season my main source wasn't 100% legit.
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No, don't think it's fine. Haven't watched anything from a source that wasn't legit in a really long time (about 6 years) and never will again. Does that mean I miss out on things sometimes? Yeah but so what? There's more then enough stuff to watch on places like CR to keep me busy indefinably. Just because a company doesn't want to license something here that doesn't give me the right to watch it, let alone in a way that does nothing for the creators of the work. Simple as that.

Of course even though I think it's wrong and wouldn't do it myself that doesn't mean I'm going to push that on anyone else. Not like I could stop someone else if I wanted in the first place and it seems like a big waste of time and energy to even try.

Ultimately the only person I have sway over is myself, after all. I'll do what I think is appropriate and support the things I like the best I can.
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That's exactly what I did....This season was actually enjoyable on CR for me, but there were others I wanted to watch that the legal sites weren't streaming. So now I'm watching Nyanpire.
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I see. That's an interesting response. You seem to know how to control yourself. The problem with fansubs is, once the show is licensed, people still watch the fansub because it's free.

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MagicalGirlMyaako

But do you think, in keeping the anime creators in mind, it is "ok" <--- Define that subjectively as you will, to watch the unlicensed streams?


I think that in some albeit delusional way, that considering the industry and setup is what it is, that maybe, just maybe, mangakas and animators would be pleased that you read or saw their work in any capacity, legal or illegal. Now obviously, the publishers, animation studios and distributors don't think along those lines; they want money for anything and everything they produce and that is something I respect and endorse.

Of course, if it's a series that is not licensed here in the U.S., then there's nothing to pay for. Then, I personally don't have any problem with watching anime streaming sites because I watch it for my own enjoyment, not to make a profit off it. That doesn't make any of my actions legal by any means, but if I want to watch something that is unlicensed then I'm most likely going to watch it through a stream. I don't have the restraint to make myself wait until it maybe becomes licensed in the States.

The first and second paragraphs may sound contradictory but I think of them as two sides of a coin.

Plus, I don't want to waste my time watching everything that's here on CR or other official channels anyway.
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Ah, Ku, insightful comments as usual. So you've seen my shameless plug in the NH for this thread!

I am intrigued by your statement of enjoyment and profits. It does seem that, since we are just viewing streams...Not downloading, distributing, or profiting in any way, that it would be "ethically" permissable.

Hmm...
This topic is quite the conundrum. Everyone's posts make me think differently. Regardless, I love anime and I want to financially support the industry but, as you've stated, I too lack the restraint to wait years for something to *maybe* get licensed....

You've given me things to think about.
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Posted 10/11/11

MagicalGirlMyaako wrote:


Dremux wrote:

I do it all the time, I don't care. If I want to watch it, I do. I don't download or spread anything around. Plus if I like the series, I buy the DvD's more often than not.


That's exactly where I would like to be on the matter. That's pretty much what I've been doing as well.

Do you buy DVDs of everything, or exclusively those you like? Because I think it would be overly-scrupulous on my part to buy DVDs of everything that I ever watched while unlicensed.

I have a good collection of DVDs, many complete series. I don't have a problem with buying DVDs or manga volumes. It's just....How do I get the unlicensed stuff?


I just import them from Japan, I don't need the subs, usually. Other than that I guess all you could do is wait till they're licensed where you are.
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Personally, I want to support the original creators, so if I stream, I will only do legal ones. Besides, I don't have the time to watch the illegal stuff. I have a massive (legitimate Region 1) DVD backlog and a watchlist backlog (55 shows ) on here so it makes absolutely no sense to go after illegal stuff. There are a lot of legal choices now so I'd rather do my part to support the industry.
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hmm, I can't even remember the last time I watched a stream of an unlicensed anime, probably be a few years now., the only anime I have are ova's and oad's that I feel are most likely not going to be licensed. whether or not its ok to stream unlicensed anime is more of a decision based on the persons morale's.

do I watch streams of any unlicensed series anymore, no.

do I feel that I'm missing out, not really..

do I download any current unlicensed series, the only shows that I torrent are Super Sentai and Kamen Rider.

for me legal sites are better and much easier, plus you can't win free stuff from illegal streaming sites and I got a signed poster and a complete series dvd plus a complete series bluray they sent by mistake that they let me keep to prove it.
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Art-chan wrote:

Personally, I want to support the original creators, so if I stream, I will only do legal ones. Besides, I don't have the time to watch the illegal stuff. I have a massive (legitimate Region 1) DVD backlog and a watch list backlog (55 shows ) on here so it makes absolutely no sense to go after illegal stuff. There are a lot of legal choices now so I'd rather do my part to support the industry.


i would buy ccs on dvd here but do you or the average person have this much money? to buy half of set of dvd's??
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0009ZE9VM/ref=dp_olp_used_mbc?ie=UTF8&storeAttribute=mov&qid=1318417753&sr=8-2&submit.see-all-buying-options=see-all-buying-options&condition=used

Listen i understand what you mean however if there is a squeal to a series that is never coming out or if there are ova's "orginal video animation" then i tend to look the other way despite the matter of legality. Is it illegal yes.. do i really care at this point no, however unlike most I do have money so that will be ordered above and I can import blurays "which is legal btw" to show support. However getting hold of dvd's for 5 year old series like higurashi kai.. is next to impossible
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...I'm glad there are more responses.
I just wish I could continue watching the unlicensed stuff...There's some good series! Although, if I were to buy the DVDs when and if it IS licensed, then that would be ok.

So, a general question:

Is it acceptable, based on your concept of ethics/morals, to at least watch an old series, still unlicensed?
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I love that response. One question directed toward you....How do you feel about buying the DVDs of series that you've watched once they become licensed?

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Posted 10/12/11 , edited 10/12/11

MagicalGirlMyaako wrote:

...I'm glad there are more responses.
I just wish I could continue watching the unlicensed stuff...There's some good series! Although, if I were to buy the DVDs when and if it IS licensed, then that would be ok.

So, a general question:

Is it acceptable, based on your concept of ethics/morals, to at least watch an old series, still unlicensed?


No, it isn't. Example. Liked Kodocha. Have the first half that was released in the US even. Would say the second half is never going to get licensed at this point. Going to watch it online? Nope, sure won't.

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