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Do you think it is fine for people to simply watch unlicensed streaming anime?
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Posted 10/12/11 , edited 10/12/11

MagicalGirlMyaako wrote:

So, a general question:

Is it acceptable, based on your concept of ethics/morals, to at least watch an old series, still unlicensed?


Is it acceptable, of course not. The better question is "Do people give a crap or not watching unlicensed anime, even knowing it's technically wrong?"

Being a pirate or something along the line isn't what irrates me (hell I'm one myself), it's the act of making up shameless excuses to justify why you think it's okay. I don't know how they do it in Japan, but I'm sure you still have to pay monthly/yearly subscription to watch television shows, so the statement of "Anime is free in Japan" is pretty much moot.

Remember anime/manga is a privilege not a right.
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Posted 10/12/11

andydono wrote:
Being a pirate or something along the line isn't what irrates me (he'll I'm one myself), it's the act of making up shameless excuses to justify why you think it's okay. I don't know how they do it in Japan, but I'm sure you still have to pay monthly/yearly subscription to watch television shows, so the statement of "Anime is free in Japan" is pretty much moot.

True, indeed. When I watched fansubs, I didn't attempt to claim I wasn't pirating, even for unlicensed series. After all, I could have purchased imported DVDs of those series, ripped them to my PC, looked up a fansub online for the subtitles, and used those to create my own legit subbed copies, but realistically, that wasn't going to happen (nor the easier but slightly greyer route of importing the DVDs but then simply downloading and using the fansubbed videos). Even if I wait 5 years after release before watching a fansub of an unlicensed series, that won't change it, either.

Earlier this morning over in the ANN forums, I saw someone using the tired old, "It's sharing, not pirating" excuse for their downloading of scantalations of manga.

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Posted 10/12/11

TheAncientOne wrote:

Earlier this morning over in the ANN forums, I saw someone using the tired old, "It's sharing, not pirating" excuse for their downloading of scantalations of manga.



Hehe those people are so stupid :P
And it`s hopeless to try and tell some of them otherwise.
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Posted 10/12/11

TheAncientOne wrote:

Earlier this morning over in the ANN forums, I saw someone using the tired old, "It's sharing, not pirating" excuse for their downloading of scantalations of manga.



Please remember that the original question of this thread had nothing to do with downloading.....Simply watching unlicensed anime streams. No downloads, distribution, or profits involved.

Since I really want to watch the anime I was watching before my conscience got to me, I'm going to think that maybe it is alright, since I plan to support it when it gets licensed.

I can't tell you all how many legit DVDs of anime that I bought from seeing fansubs first.
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well here is an excuse although lame with the crack down on certain types of manga for example kodomo no jikan or aki sora... per say I would rather ddl the scans then take a chance in court over some drawings. That's all i have on the issue... I don't need to express anymore.
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Posted 10/12/11

MagicalGirlMyaako wrote:

I can't tell you all how many legit DVDs of anime that I bought from seeing fansubs first.


Seeing the product first is good, would be a shame to waste your money on something you find shitty
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Indeed, this thread and this overall discussion have given me a few things to think about because I, like some other anime fans realize that you can be put in between a rock and a hard place. Sure, some fans have their methods and principals and stick to them and that is very good. A lot of us though, generally tend to be torn between watching what they want either officially or unofficially.

I'm not trying to justify watching something unofficially or making a big fuss about my plight or anything I just try to look at things objectively. I really would love to see many series brought here to the States but I think or can only assume that distributors only see doing so as potential costs and not as potential sales. And if or when something that I really enjoyed does become available to buy, I will most likely purchase it.
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We are definitely in similar situations. I was just over at the Funimation site, looking at all the series they've picked up. One of them is Chaos;Head. I originally watched that 3 years ago from a fansub. Now when the DVDs are released, I am going to buy it because I enjoyed the series a lot. However, I probably would NEVER have wanted to buy it or express any interest in it if it weren't for my previous viewing through a fansub....

Anyway, I've been taking the matter to heart, and I am going to stick with the legal sites as my main source for anime. I am not going to allow myself free reign on fansub streaming sites anymore, but I will only watch an unlicensed series illegally if I know there will be a large chance of me buying the DVDs when they are licensed. For example, I can see Kamichama Karin getting licensed. The manga has been out for years and years from TokyoPop (rest it's soul), and there is still obviously an audience for it, due to the popularity of shows like Gakuen Alice as well.

I can also see shows like Mawaru Penguindrum getting licensed, too. I mean, Funimation picked up a little weird series like Fractale...I think that the companies are becoming more in tune with the majority of consumers. They are now realizing that people want anime, free, on the internet. I love that Funi has so many free episodes on their site, even complete series all for free viewing without an account. I think that's really great, and it shows us that they are ready to respond to the fans, even if some people think they are greedy.

Posted 10/12/11 , edited 10/12/11
No. It's still an act of piracy. The good news if, I don't care, since I already download anime like a mad hobo.

Arr, A pirate I be, a pirate I always be!

Note: I'm not promoting piracy. It's a crime, and if I move out of canada, I will be caught and fined.

But whilst I am in Canada, I'm scot-free. The government basically hands you a pass saying "All pirates allowed to pirate!"

One final time: Piracy is bad! Buy when you can. If you're too poor, then don't.
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Posted 10/12/11
I watch both licensed and unlicensed anime, and if the unlicensed anime becomes licensed I set up some time to re-watch it, if streaming or wait till Netflix or iTunes makes it available online.
I have done this for several anime.
I think it's OK as long as they legally(via DVD, Blu-ray; streaming, or digital download-iTunes, etc.) re-watch the anime whenever it gets licensed.
There are anime though that I know will take awhile if ever to get licensed
example: Kiss x Sis, Yosuga no Sora, Seikon no Qwaser....
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Yes, that is basically the decision that I have personally come to after researching. The only time I'm going to watch illegal streams is if the unlicensed anime is one that I would want to buy/re-watch if and when it does get licensed. If I have the whole intent to buy what I'm watching, then I don't think that making use of the fansubs stream (notice I do not include downloads) is a breach of ethics.

Thanks for the responses, everyone. I'm glad this thread is still running. I made it out of pure anxiety, but now it is somehow bringing me solace.

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Posted 10/12/11


I never download and I only use one website to watch unlicensed anime, if it's not there then I simply place the anime on my watch later list. I don't always buy the anime, most of the time I go for the legal streaming if it's available on Crunchyroll, Hulu, The Anime Network, or other legal streaming sites Anime News Network, Funimation, Youtube.

It's nice when people go for Legal streaming over fansubs and promote Legal streaming.
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Posted 10/12/11 , edited 10/12/11

PhoenixBlaze wrote:
It's nice when people go for Legal streaming over fansubs and promote Legal streaming.


Agreed.

If I like a licensed series, I try to find the DVDs. And a lot of older series are going down in price now. I bought the complete series of Cowboy Bebop for $20-something. Not bad when you look at the prices for newer anime, especially in DVD volumes. This is the example I always bring up: HaruToki DVD vol. 1 for $20. And it only has 2 episodes on the disc! There's no way I'm going to go for $10 an episode. That's just ridiculous.
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Posted 10/12/11
I think it is okay...
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Posted 10/12/11
pirated anime to me is like a drug, the subs are more fun to read and comes out just as fast as crunchyroll sometimes if not faster. i like the cultural notes to learn customes that i wouldn't normally get which crunchyroll doesn't do to much. and best of all its free and its what i live on.

though i do feel ashame of watching pirated anime, if its streamed on a legal site like ann, crunchyroll or funimation i almost always head there. but for the fact that im not paying for it i still feel somewhat bad.

sometimes i do think to myself when i get money i will support everysingle one anime that i have ever watched to make myself feel better. but reallistically by the time that i can come up with that kinda money the anime is probably done or is dead. if each anime cost about 50 for the entire series on average of everything i saw. i would probably owe 15,000 gran. so realistically thats not ganna happen. so far i only own 1 anime title.

i feel as if the only way for me is to quite anime cold turkey to stop watching pirated episodes. i could probably go without anime for a maximum of 3 months, before wanting to watch it again. i am not addicted, just that its part of my life now that it feels weird without it. cancer patients that always try to brush their hair during chemo.

so ultimately, i don't think its ok. because you are stealing. but if its something you want or like its pretty hard to hold back the temptations.

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