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Does crunchyroll have the largest legal online selection
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Posted 10/16/11 , edited 10/16/11

agila61 wrote:
For legal Australia/NZ, its between Crunchyroll and Madman, Crunchy probably has the edge in simulcasts, Madman in catalog titles.

Aside from simulcasts (which are later removed), Madman doesn't stream full series. They only have the first 2 eps of series available online, and have less than 100 episodes streamed in total.
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agila61 wrote:
For legal Australia/NZ, its between Crunchyroll and Madman, Crunchy probably has the edge in simulcasts, Madman in catalog titles.

Aside from simulcasts (which are later removed), Madman doesn't stream full series. They only have the first 2 eps of series available online, and have less than 100 episodes streamed in total.
Thanks for that. Not being in Oz any more, region blocking has kept me from test driving their screening room.

Given that they only have teasers for catalog titles, then I'd guess Crunchyroll in Oz/NZ for both simulcasts and catalog titles. Then Madman a distant 2nd for simulcasts and, what Youtube for catalog titles? Mostly the small set of old back catalog put out widely a couple of years ago?
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a while ago i actually came across an anime site called XXXXXXXXXXX and that had a pretty large database as well so i just wanted to see everyone's opinions

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agila61 wrote:

Given that they only have teasers for catalog titles, then I'd guess Crunchyroll in Oz/NZ for both simulcasts and catalog titles. Then Madman a distant 2nd for simulcasts and, what Youtube for catalog titles? Mostly the small set of old back catalog put out widely a couple of years ago?


For catalog series I think second would actually be Funimation via youtube - about half of the series that they have there are available. They would probably be second for simulcasts too. Equal third for simulcasts would be Siren (via ANN) and Madman, each with 5 in total.
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llamaben wrote: For catalog series I think second would actually be Funimation via youtube - about half of the series that they have there are available. They would probably be second for simulcasts too. Equal third for simulcasts would be Siren (via ANN) and Madman, each with 5 in total.

Aha, thanks. I was reading the question Crunchyroll as a site, rather than Crunchyroll as a licensor, so in those terms, YouTube is second.

I knew that Siren was streaming, but did not realize that they had got to that point .

Do Siren basically stream a similar list to Anime-On-Demand in the UK?


eli9696 wrote: a while ago i actually came across an anime site called TheSiteThatShouldNotBeNamedand that had a pretty large database as well so i just wanted to see everyone's opinions

Over and above my opinion, do not mention bootleg sites by name in the Crunchyroll forums. Crunchyroll was a bootleg host (it didn't leech its streams, it did the streaming itself) before it went legit in 2009.

Since it went legit, it has had to work hard to overcome the "rep" of being a bootleg site. And if it becomes known that you can go to the Crunchyroll forums to find out where to go for bootlegs, that will make it harder for Crunchyroll to license simulcasts.

So whoever reported your post did it to protect the ability of Crunchyroll to get new series. I would have reported it myself if I had seen it before they did.

As far as my opinion about that site, my opinion is that its just another leech streaming site that has "volunteers", also known as "suckers", who have accounts at free streaming sites and illegally upload bootlegs to those streaming sites, bringing the link back to the leech streaming site, so it can leech off the stream done by a real internet streaming site.

The same or other "volunteers", also known as "suckers", copy and paste series descriptions from Anime News Network, often without even the courtesy of a link back, and use a standard template to make an impressive looking site with 99% of the work done by someone else ~ the free streaming site being leeched off of, the fansub group or legal streaming site where the subtitles were obtained, and of course the original creators who actually made the anime.

The next 0.9% of the work is done by site "volunteers", aka "suckers".

The last 0.1% of the work is done by the site proprietor who sells cheap banner ads, telling all the volunteers its just to defray the bandwidth costs, and the proprietor gets lucky, gets to pocket the difference between ad revenues and bandwidth costs.

My opinion is that its something along those lines. The details may vary ~ the lower traffic sites are ripping off the people doing 99% of the work and also dipping into their own pocket to cover the shortfall between bandwidth and ad revenue, in which case the "volunteers" are being suckers for the site host rather than being suckers for the site proprietor.

While I'm not going to go into details (see first part, above), there are always other was to get bootlegs if you want bootlegs: its never necessary to hand these bloodsucker sites ad revenue for ripping off the work of a lot of other people.
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agila61 wrote:

Do Siren basically stream a similar list to Anime-On-Demand in the UK?


I wouldn't call their stream list similar to AoD's (which is much bigger), but AoD has had all the titles they've simulcast. It's hard to compare them to AoD as they are mainly a DVD distributor (they actually license some series that don't have US releases)

Siren have simulcast Tiger & Bunny, C, Usagi Drop and Un-Go. For some reason I thought they had another one this season, but I guess not (I actually counted an extra for Madman too, so they're still even). The only catalog title that they have streamed is Dennou Coil.
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agila61 wrote: Do Siren basically stream a similar list to Anime-On-Demand in the UK?


I wouldn't call their stream list similar to AoD's (which is much bigger), but AoD has had all the titles they've simulcast.
This makes sense, if AoD has the larger customer base, Siren can more easily afford the stream if they share mastering and subtitling costs with the AoD venture.

And this next bit may explain why Siren's list is a subset of AoD's list:

It's hard to compare them to AoD as they are mainly a DVD distributor (who actually license their own series instead of grabbing them of US companies)

... since AoD will sublicense from an "All English Speaking Countries" licensee, as well as get country rights directly from the original licensor.


Siren have simulcast Tiger & Bunny, C, Usagi Drop and Un-Go. For some reason I thought they had another one this season, but I guess not (I actually counted an extra for Madman too, so they're still even). The only catalog title that they have streamed is Dennou Coil.
It seems like the Funico deal put the cat amongst the pigeons in this season's streaming negotiations. If they were bidding for Major English Speaking Country streaming-only licenses, there might have been fewer Ozzie/kiwi-only streaming licenses on offer.

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I love cr, but the answer is a resounding NO! there r literally hundreds of LEGAL streaming sites that r free, but they dont have the sense of community that we have at cr!
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I love cr, but the answer is a resounding NO! there r literally hundreds of LEGAL streaming sites that r free, but they dont have the sense of community that we have at cr!

Apparently you have a mistaken impression of what a legal site is. A legal site is one which obtains permission from the rights holder and pays money to that rights holder in return. I doubt anyone could name even two dozen legal streaming sites.

Signs a streaming site is illegal:

1. The videos are actually served by another site known for serving user uploaded videos (as opposed to a site like Hulu, that only accepts uploads from partner companies).

2. More than one of source for the video is provided. (Often found at fansub sites, in the event one source of the video gets reported and removed).

3. They have an unimaginably large catalog of titles, including every series being shown in Japan for the current season. (Some companies simply do not license their content for streaming, an no season has yet to see every title licensed for streaming. For example, if a site is streaming Puella Magi Madoka Magica to users in the U.S. currently, it is definitely an illegal site).

4. A large number of their titles include credits in the video to a fansub group for the translation.

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animbella3 wrote: I love cr, but the answer is a resounding NO! there r literally hundreds of LEGAL streaming sites that r free, but they dont have the sense of community that we have at cr!


Or, tl:dr version of TAO: look at the master list at mania.com ~ no, there isn't. A dozen, maybe (many of them just front ends for Hulu), but not hundreds.

You are thinking of illegal bootleg stream sites that pretend to be legal.
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Posted 10/16/11 , edited 10/16/11
I dunno, but I wish CR would get a hold of SnS season 3. :P



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animbella3 wrote: I love cr, but the answer is a resounding NO! there r literally hundreds of LEGAL streaming sites that r free, but they dont have the sense of community that we have at cr!


Or, tl:dr version of TAO: look at the master list at mania.com ~ no, there isn't. A dozen, maybe (many of them just front ends for Hulu), but not hundreds.

You are thinking of illegal bootleg stream sites that pretend to be legal.


Thanks for that.
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Hulu and netflix are top, due to the nature of the sites and deeper pockets.

I think CR would lead the anime pack eventually if they focused on anime titles instead of splitting focus with Dramas.
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hrrly wrote: Hulu and netflix are top, due to the nature of the sites and deeper pockets.
Again, its a big difference if ou look at Simulcast vs Catalog. I'll not even look at Netflix for Simulcast, since they are all catalog titles.

From the mania.com master list ~ not perfect, but pretty good and the easiest collection to use for this:

Simulcasts: Crunchy 18, niconico 7, Hulu 6, Viz 4, FUNimation 4, TAN 1 (I think this will be more, shortly).

Catalog: Crunchy dub=9, sub=157 (series), Funimation dub=122, sub=132, etc.

I didn't finish counting, but I'd guess its Hulu with the biggest catalog, because it combines a lot of Funimation's catalog, smaller selections from other anime channels, and a growing part of TAN's catalog.

Lots of samples on YouTube, but not as many complete series. And the Funico deal seems to mean that Funimation is not simulcasting on YouTube anymore.


I think CR would lead the anime pack eventually if they focused on anime titles instead of splitting focus with Dramas.

That's a bizarre notion. CR is streaming every single anime currently being broadcast that they can get a license to stream. They could shut down their dramas tomorrow, and they would not get a single new anime as a result.
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hrrly wrote:

Hulu and netflix are top, due to the nature of the sites and deeper pockets.

For Netflix, Instantwatcher.com shows 172 streaming titles in the "Anime and Animation" category, but that includes titles that are not anime and titles that are listed more than once (i.e. "Soul Eater, Soul Eater: Part 2, Soul Eater: Part 3, Darker Than Black listed in addition to volumes 2-6, etc.), I expect the actual series count is slightly below Crunchyroll, per the number agila61 reported.

A quick count over at TAN came up with 137 streaming titles. ("Quick" meaning it may be off by a couple in either direction). That is counting titles only, even those available in both dub and sub formats.




agila61 wrote:
Simulcasts: Crunchy 18, niconico 7, Hulu 6, Viz 4, FUNimation 4, TAN 1 (I think this will be more, shortly).

TAN has two simulcasts this season. Don't forget that they also have Horizon in the Middle of Nowhere (in addition to Persona 4).


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TheAncientOne wrote: TAN has two simulcasts this season. Don't forget that they also have Horizon in the Middle of Nowhere (in addition to Persona 4).
Like I said, the master list isn't perfect (its a volunteer effort, so obviously it can lag a bit at the start of a simulcast season), but its good enough for a question like this, where being off by one or two is not a big deal.

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