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Dangerous New Enemy Funico!
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Posted 10/22/11
Ok Funico is the partnership between the anime licenser Funimation and the Japan version of YouTube "Nico Nico." They have formed partnerships to help each other market anime! Funimation want Nico Nico to broadcast series of anime from Japan that are not licensed here yet and use the information that Nico Nico gathers like views, likes, and reviews. So Funimation can use that info to license anime and start selling Blu-ray discs and DVDs in North America. Yes, that’s not a problem for any anime fans, but that means less anime shows for Crunchyroll!!!!! So this poll is to tell everyone about it and to put Crunchyroll on the move to start talking about partnering up with other anime licensers like Media Blasters and Sentai Filmworks! Here's the link for the news report!

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/editorial/2011-10-14

Here is a link for a poll I started to get CR to take note of this new threat!

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-737281/should-crunchroll-have-talks-with-media-blasters-and-sentai-filmworks-to-compete-with-funico
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Posted 10/22/11
And CR will remain un-bothered and more successful than that... poop.

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Posted 10/23/11
I don't watch anime on Crunchyroll, and I wouldn't be that dissapointed if I couldn't go on the forums anymore.
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NND actually functions the same way as it does CR in Japan, so it follows that it does not hold the distributive rights of any given anime - it's only the result of broadcast agreements between the broadcaster (i.e. NND) and the source (i.e. studios). NND cannot use this function to indiscriminately allow these same broadcasts to be distributed through a 3rd party (i.e. Funimation) without having distributive rights that are solely to the creator in themselves.

So in short, just because it shows on NND, that doesn't mean that Funimation can and will distribute anything and everything that's on NND. NND is simply serving as a conduit for whatever shows Funimation already has distributive rights for, and NND allows these shows based on agreements between Funimation and the said studio, not necessarily between NND and Funimation per se.

So in short, the result is increased reach and accessibility for titles that are ALREADY licensed by Funimation. Nothing much has changed, other than Funimation now has a means of mass distribution through the internet, which is simply a means for them to gain some leverage in terms of obtaining titles.

I won't say that CR has no reason to be concerned, but I think you're overreacting to the situation here. Sure, there will always be threats - but it's really a matter of CR gaining distributive rights and license agreements. So far as CR is concerned, it is an internationally distributed brand while Funimation caters primarily to a NA market. CR still has the advantage of obtaining distributive licenses beyond a NA audience, albeit limited, but where CR can excel is bringing anime to more than just an NA audience. Certainly something that CR can and should exploit at this point in the game.
Posted 10/23/11
oh interesting.
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Posted 10/23/11
A new competitor does not automatically equate to a new 'enemy' especially in a market with little competition, such as streaming anime. Sadly, there still remains anime that does not have a legal stream. Even in the unlikely event that every anime in the season gets picked up for a legally licensed stream, not all of these seem to be exclusive licenses so two companies can license the same content and compete for the highest quality or some other value-add benefit. CR could slyly pick up rights to the countries that Funico doesn't stream in. The market still has a lot of growth potential and competition is the best way to speed it.

That said, I will now defer to the wisdom of the words of Mills Lane... "Let's get it on!"
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As much as I love Crunchyroll, it shouldn't be the final stage for Americans in any anime show. The final stage of anime for NA or any country should be a DVD/Blu-Ray release. That's the final stage. This thing you call a threat seems to be no threat at all.

Is it bad Funimation and Nico Nico are doing this? No!

Secondly I doubt Crunchyroll is going to feel any blows from this deal.
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Posted 10/23/11 , edited 10/25/11
Just because Funico has appeared, doesn't necessarily mean CR will get less shows. Either way, that is CR's problem and not the users. The more sites that legally stream anime, the better I say.

Besides, OP - what would good would it do to tell everyone about this "threat" as you put it? It's not like the users would change anything for CR's benefit.
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Posted 10/24/11 , edited 10/26/11
I might be over overreacting, but I need to ask if anyone of you read the news report from ANN before posting on my thread? Cause by reading it, it clearly states, "In most cases, licensors only give titles to Crunchyroll and NicoNico when DVD licensees aren't interested in the license. In other words, simulcast-only licensees get to fight over the table scraps. NicoNico has now aligned itself with the 900 pound gorilla. Funico is the new 900 pound licensing gorilla. In other words, NicoNico will, in most cases, get first pick on whatever simulcasts it wants." and it says, "I wouldn't want to be the competition right now though, especially Crunchyroll. With this deal, there's very little reason for any licensor to let a title go to Crunchyroll if NicoNico wants it, even if Crunchyroll offers more money. This is a prediction, but I fully expect Funico to tell licensors “We're very unlikely to license a title for video if it streams on Crunchyroll.” By no means will it be impossible for Crunchyroll to license simulcasts, however the number of titles available to them will probably decrease," these two quotes conviced me that Funico is a threat to CR.


I also posting a thread about this, becasue i wish for CR to have licensers like Media Blasters or whoever to back CR up. Cause Funimation is eating up alot of titles and i have a friend that works for Media Blasters. And he tells me that Media Blasters are having a hard time keeping up with Funimation. I do not want Media Blasters to go down! They are one of the companies i do not want to fail.... like ADV and now whats left of them Sentai Filmworks...(which i do like too) But now they're somewhat small compared to Funimation.
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Posted 10/23/11
Nico Nico is cheaper and their video player and comments rule, but they have a lot less variety than CR. CR isn't just going to collapse just because yet another anime streaming site has opened.
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Posted 10/25/11 , edited 10/25/11
I've deleted most of the posts since they contained off-topic bickering.
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Crunchyroll is basically the veteran in the anime streaming industry (legally) but it will hurt them some with this new partnership. Nico Nico is the new kid on the block so it makes sense they would partner with funimation. Funimation licenses a lot of titles and TAN tends to get sentai's licenses so that does not really leave any logical choice for CR. Funimation and Sentai are the ones that license the most for North America but if you partner with 1 company others are going to be less likely to give you the rights to their anime. It was smart for Nico Nico because it ensures they have a nice catalog of anime but your only going to see funimation shows through them unlike CR which can get more titles. It is likely that we will have more delay-casts now though
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Assassinx89 wrote:

Crunchyroll is basically the veteran in the anime streaming industry (legally) but it will hurt them some with this new partnership. Nico Nico is the new kid on the block so it makes sense they would partner with funimation. Funimation licenses a lot of titles and TAN tends to get sentai's licenses so that does not really leave any logical choice for CR. Funimation and Sentai are the ones that license the most for North America but if you partner with 1 company others are going to be less likely to give you the rights to their anime. It was smart for Nico Nico because it ensures they have a nice catalog of anime but your only going to see funimation shows through them unlike CR which can get more titles. It is likely that we will have more delay-casts now though :)


Yeah, but if CR could get 2 or 3 companies like Media Blasters and Sentai Filmworks, wouldn't that allow more shows, because the Japanese companies can let CR have more anime knowing that will license the anime if CR gets the results to US companies. Which will draw more people to our web site and start competeing with Funico. Which might lower the membership prices (maybe) and Funimation will have to drop thier prices on thier Blue Ray Dics and DVDs to stay on top of Sentai and Media Blasters.
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edsamac wrote:

NND actually functions the same way as it does CR in Japan, so it follows that it does not hold the distributive rights of any given anime - it's only the result of broadcast agreements between the broadcaster (i.e. NND) and the source (i.e. studios). NND cannot use this function to indiscriminately allow these same broadcasts to be distributed through a 3rd party (i.e. Funimation) without having distributive rights that are solely to the creator in themselves.


I don't think you are talking about Funico. Are you talking about the parent company of niconico.com (USA)?

Funico is a joint venture between niconico.com (that is, the international niconico venture focused on the US & Canada right now) and FUNimation. It is a licensing joint venture.

FUNimation has some series it can pick up in advance of broadcast ~ like Last Exile: Fam.

There are some series where it can't be sure, but streaming will add more information and make it easier to decide ~ and also allow it to be more aggressive in picking up series, since more market information means lower risk. These are series that FUNimation has previously lost money by streaming themselves.

And of course, there are series it simply passes on. Unlike a streaming site like Crunchyroll, FUNimation cannot bid for every series.

Its the "maybe yes, maybe no" series that Funico picks up streaming only licenses for. niconico.com handles the materials from Japan and does the subtitling. FUNimation likely chips in something, but it costs them less than before the Funico joint venture, so Funico can go for more streaming-only licenses than FUNimation could on its own.

In return, the direct FUNimation licenses are also shared with niconico.com, so the streaming cost sharing between niconico.com and Funimation.com goes both ways..

If its only a couple of FUNimation series and three Funico streaming-only series a season, its not a massive impact on Crunchyroll. If it gets into five to eight Funico streaming-only series, that might be a bigger bite into Crunchyroll's ability to land series.

But its not all one sided. With Naruto almost worldwide, and Bleach to the Americas, UK, Eire and Northern Europe, Oz/NZ and South Africa, Crunchyroll has a much stronger international streaming anchor than niconico does. If Crunchyroll can find a way to get more international rights on series it shares with North American distributors, which right now are all US & Canada only, it would be well positioned to continue to dominate niconico in terms of total series per season and international availability.
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