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Posted 10/25/11 , edited 10/25/11

Liberator37872 wrote: I thought Sentai Filmworks are whats left of ADV, which is much smaller than the 5 divisions that covered Anime, Manga, Hentai, Newtype magzine (Lastest on Anime news), and Distribution rights in America. So I thought Funimation is kicking them in the rear as well.
Oh, no, Sentai Filmworks was set up when ADV was still one company, to get out from under the licensing deal with Sojitz that turned bad.

NewType was closed down before ADV restructured, but nothing that was in ADV when it restructured went anywhere, it just got a new wrapper. ADV was split into Section23 for DVD/BD distribution (named for the section of Texas business law that let them play this game and leave Sojitz holding rights to an empty shell), The Anime Network for cable-on-demand, streaming, and other digital distribution, and Seraphim as the production studio.

Same people kept working in the same offices for the same managers, but the name on top of their paycheck changed.
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Crunchyroll is basically the veteran in the anime streaming industry (legally) but it will hurt them some with this new partnership. Nico Nico is the new kid on the block so it makes sense they would partner with funimation. Funimation licenses a lot of titles and TAN tends to get sentai's licenses so that does not really leave any logical choice for CR. Funimation and Sentai are the ones that license the most for North America but if you partner with 1 company others are going to be less likely to give you the rights to their anime. It was smart for Nico Nico because it ensures they have a nice catalog of anime but your only going to see funimation shows through them unlike CR which can get more titles. It is likely that we will have more delay-casts now though :)


Ok Thank you for your very polite and well manndered reply. I see your point and agree with it. I just wanted CR to be on top of food chain and stay there! I fear maybe that Nico Nico could get as big as CR and fear what Funimation is doing to the rest of the Anime liscesers are going though. My friend from Media Blasters told me that they are having a hard time keeping up with Funimation. He hasn't contacted me for while now? Since Anime Weekend Atlanta and thats 3 weeks ago..... I thought Sentai Filmworks are whats left of ADV, which is much smaller than the 5 divisions that covered Anime, Manga, Hentai, Newtype magzine (Lastest on Anime news), and Distribution rights in America. So I thought Funimation is kicking them in the rear as well.
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Oh I see, but what are the chances if Sentai wanted to do something like Funico? Would they do it with CR or would they try another site? Do you think Media Blasters will follow Funimation's way and hook up with someone too?
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Oh I see, but what are the chances if Sentai wanted to do something like Funico? Would they do it with CR or would they try another site? Do you think Media Blasters will follow Funimation's way and hook up with someone too?


I don't really think you can worry about that. What happens, happens. The pieces will fall into place where they are supposed to. While I know it's not the same as a partnership, have you looked at the content on Crunchyroll? Pretty much every North American anime company has something on here. FUNimation, ADV Films / Sentai Filmworks / Section23, Media Blasters, VIZ Media, and Bandai all have content on Crunchyroll (seems like I'm forgetting a company, anyone wanna chime in hear and help me?). A partnership between Crunchyroll and any North American company could be possible. Heck, for all we know, something weird could happen and FUNico could partner-up with Crunchyroll. Don't worry about, just try and enjoy the ride.
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If nothing else, CR can always go into the business of Streaming Korean stuff. I think they have the market cornered on it. Maybe they could make an online reader for translated Korean manga! And sell discounted K-pop and stuff.

Ok... Im daydreaming now. *wanders over to yesasia to continue dreaming*
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Liberator37872 wrote: Oh I see, but what are the chances if Sentai wanted to do something like Funico? Would they do it with CR or would they try another site? Do you think Media Blasters will follow Funimation's way and hook up with someone too?


It wouldn't be the same in an particular, because none of the particularles are the same.

First, Section23 does not insist in doing a dub for every release ~ that means that there are series where FUNimation would have to hold back on, where Section23 can ask Sentai to pick up a full license and Sentai will decide down the road whether to do a sub-only release or a hybrid release.

Second, because The Anime Network is not a subdivision of the DVD distributor, they are their own company now.

Third because licensing is what Sentai does as a company, working as an agent for Section23 and TAN, not as a division of a DVD distributor, so if Crunchyroll formed a licensing joint venture with Sentai, there wouldn't be anything left for Sentai to do.

And finally, because Crunchyroll has existing relationships with several of the smaller R1 distributors, and you do not get a reputation for being a good business partner in Japan by stabbing firms in the back that you have a standing relationship with spanning back to when you needed them much more urgently than you do today.

But because of Crunchyroll's strengths ~ including its standing relationship with TV Tokyo, the other 900 pound gorilla in the room, except the 900 pound gorilla on the Japanese industry side ~ Crunchyroll doesn't necessarily require the exact same deal, either.

First, independent of what Crunchyroll does in terms of seasonal simulcasts, it needs to strengthen its platform in terms of ongoing running anime. They may not appeal to everyone in every potential regional market, but since Crunchyroll has Naruto to almost everwhere and Bleach to the Americas, UK&Eire, Oz&NZ, Northern Europe and South Africa, that sketches out a group of countries where adding additional potentially long running Shonen series can anchor a stable subscription membership in the regions in the face of whatever problems Crunchyroll may face in landing regional rights for shorter running seasonal series. Gintama is already more broadly distributed than Bleach. Sket Dance is as well, when counting by premium streams.

As long running series, the contracting costs that are hard to cover over one or two series become easier to justify. And a "push" to get all six long running or potentially long running Shonen series out to at least the same region as the current Bleach license region is remarkably straightforward:

NTV's early Sunday evening show Beelzebub shows up with stronger ratings in Japan in early October than either Naruto or Bleach (not as strong as One Piece, by a long shot, but still it shows up in the ratings list), so it could well have legs. Its licensed to North America, UK&Eire, OZ&NZ, Northern Europe, Brazil and Portugal. Stretching it to the Bleach footprint requires the rest of the Americas and South Africa.

Hunter x Hunter ~ presently North America, UK&Eire, OZ&NZ, and South Africa. To expand to match Bleach, need the rest of the Americas (perhaps premium only if the ad based market won't support free streams) and Northern Europe.

And that would do it. The next "push" on that front might be to get all six to the rest of Africa, the Middle East, and Portugal, with the push backed up by the results of already completing the six in countries where they are presently hit and miss.

Second, find some way to get the North American distributors other than FUNimation to pursue streaming-only licenses outside of North America alone. One idea is, at the same time as making the offer for original streaming rights to the original rights holder, also distribute to the other R1 distributors that pick up series during their broadcast season (Section23, Media Blasters, Viz, Aniplex USA, etc.) a standing (smaller) bid what will be paid for shared streaming rights in the US & Canada, and how much Crunchyroll can afford to add on top for also including shared streaming rights in UK, Eire, OZ, NZ and South Africa, in Northern Europe, in Brazil and Portugal, in the rest of the Americas, in Middle East and the rest of Africa, and in Southeast Asia. With a commitment to proceed on those terms at least if the full rights in North America plus the specified shared streaming rights are acquired by the R1 distributor, so they can use the Crunchyroll offer when making their bid, as long as they are willing to share the streaming rights.

If that could be made to work, that would land a selection of the most sought after series on Crunchyroll on some basis, and with some of those series getting streamed outside of just the US & Canada.

And third: there is no third. With the two legs of the tripod of the long running Shonen series and broadly shared streaming with "everbody but FUNimation", the third leg of the tripod are those niche series that are below the radar of the DVD distributors, where Crunchyroll with its superior streaming and superior device support and supporter international subscriber base is already very well positioned to compete head to head with niconico.com.


CrossForte wrote: I don't really think you can worry about that. What happens, happens. The pieces will fall into place where they are supposed to. While I know it's not the same as a partnership, have you looked at the content on Crunchyroll? Pretty much every North American anime company has something on here. FUNimation, ADV Films / Sentai Filmworks / Section23, Media Blasters, VIZ Media, and Bandai all have content on Crunchyroll (seems like I'm forgetting a company, anyone wanna chime in hear and help me?). A partnership between Crunchyroll and any North American company could be possible. Heck, for all we know, something weird could happen and FUNico could partner-up with Crunchyroll. Don't worry about, just try and enjoy the ride.

While there are series on Crunchyroll that FUNimation then acquired, there are no series that FUNimation have brought over to Crunchyroll.

But you are right about "everybody else". That's why some kind of exclusive deal like niconico.com with FUNimation makes less sense for Crunchyroll to pursue. You included Bandai, I included Aniplex. The only other one left out I can think of is Nozomi, and they do catalog titles after their season has passed and all other companies have passed on them. After all, they are a division of RightStuf, and are perfectly happy if some other distributor licenses it, because RightStuf will get to sell it anyway, so they only do "rescues".
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Wow thanks for all your replies. We might not have to worry, but please repost any updates of Funico if the tables have turned....
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