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Currently a lot of the anime I want to watch on this site, isn't available to me due to it not being available in my country.

I'm assuming this all comes down to that you evaluated that it would be too expensive to buy the license for my region because there aren't enough viewers here to make up for the price.

Thing just is that we in my region pays the same everybody else does for this site. So basically we're paying for others anime, because we don't get to watch it ourself.

So either you lower the prices for the people in my region or you make that anime accessible to us as well and start charging us ALL OF US little more, I don't care either way, but your currnet business model is unethical and downright close to stealing
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Crunchyroll doesn't give a shit about international users currently. In the past, they tried very hard and successfully get international streaming rights. Now, they do a lazy approach and gets streaming rights from US companies instead of producers in Japan like they used to. This is a lie to every CR user outside US telling them that they are getting international rights while the current streaming rights they obtained doesn't even allow streaming outside US. Moreover, they overcharge us by offering very little anime to watch while US citizens can get all the shows while paying for the same price. I don't mind paying 5X extra if they have more than 80% of the titles worldwide but I do mind if I pay extra for shows which I couldn't watch while US citizens pay the same for all the shows on CR.

I agree with you, iBey. CR is down right unethical and retarded in terms of their business model and I won't be surprised if CR and the anime industry would die due not to piracy, but due to their lazy and greedy attitude for not providing streaming rights worldwide.
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Name 1 company that has better international streaming rights than Crunchyroll.

Netflix, Hulu, Funimation, The Anime Network, Anime News Network, Viz Anime, Crackle, etc. are pretty much USA/Canada only. Many of those don't even bother trying whereas we do and have plans to expand our international content even further but it's a slow process. As has already been announced, we're going to be expanding our services to Brazil by translating the site and subtitles into Portuguese. We're also working on multi-currency support which will make it easy for people to see the cost of things in their own currency without having to manually convert. These are things we would not waste the time doing if we didn't care about international users since it isn't easy to do.

Though, as I always say, we get the rights we can and leave it up to the user to decide if the available content is worth it or not and I understand that is sucks when you can't watch what you want to watch due to region restrictions.
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BasouKazuma: You are totally ignoring the real issue here. USA/Canada have access to many, many more titles than Crunchyroll's international users do. We are talking about a HUGE difference here. Isn't it at least a bit unfair to charge international users the exact same amount of money while they are getting way less content than USA/Canada users do?

If you guys simply can't get the rights, then why charge us the same? Many users feel betrayed in a sense that a large amount of their monthly subs appear to go to the acquisition of rights for USA/Canada users, instead of them.

It's only fair to demand a reasonable statement from Crunchyroll as to why this is so.
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I can't really say why this is as I do not deal with acquisition of titles. All I know is that we do go after worldwide rights yet we usually don't get worldwide rights. It's not due to a lack of us trying. My point was that other companies don't even try because it's not easy to do since there is a lot of legal red tape and bureaucracy so it's not fair to say we don't care.

Fortunately, getting international streaming rights for Anime is at least feasible when compared with America TV shows and movies which must be exceedingly difficult since companies like Netflix and Hulu haven't been able to expand their service to many other countries. Netflix was USA only and in the past year or so became available in Canada. Hulu was USA only but recently became available in Japan, to some extent at least ... pretty sure many shows are not available through the Japanese service.

However; money, time and effort are going towards obtaining titles outside of the USA/Canada which includes translating the site and services into different languages. So I'm guessing that next year people will start noticing better support for individual countries and we'll be expanding from there.
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Isn't getting international rights much more expensive? I can see it not being a case of lack of trying, but rather a case of a making a large investment versus questionable returns in subscription fees.

It's just that it's a recurring subject every time new titles are announced and I can understand very well why (some) international users feel like "why am I even paying for this anymore?". But I agree that calling Crunchyroll out on it, saying that "they simply don't care" is wrong. Indeed, if securing international rights was that easy, then why do much larger companies like Netflix and Hulu have such a hard time expanding?

I do hope it gets better in the future, because international subs consistently getting half or less of the new simulcasts certainly is depressing. That said, I'm personally quite content the way it is, as I consume content quite slowly so I still have quite a big backlog to chew on.
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Getting international licensing rights for anime is much much more easier and somewhat cheaper than American TV shows in an article from New Your Times.


What the stylized form of Japanese animation lacks in mass appeal it makes up for in price. Hulu typically pays anime distributors only a portion of advertising revenue. Netflix pays a relatively small licensing fee.


Crunchyroll can reduce costs of licensing fee by taking down shows after a month of TV broadcast and increase the premium membership and advertising. Use that money to pay for the licensing fee and hopefully obtain international streaming rights. Although it's somehow hard to get licensing rights, try to get as much countries as possible.

Apparently, I recently found out that since Kadokawa has make a deal with Nico Nico, there aren't many shows available outside US or Canada compared to last time when Kadokawa titles are available internationally on Crunchyroll before the deal was made. Maybe Crunchyroll should boycott the deal and hopefully, more Kadokawa titles would be available not just in the US, but other countries too.
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Posted 11/17/11

JeeKTan wrote:

Getting international licensing rights for anime is much much more easier and somewhat cheaper than American TV shows in an article from New Your Times.


What the stylized form of Japanese animation lacks in mass appeal it makes up for in price. Hulu typically pays anime distributors only a portion of advertising revenue. Netflix pays a relatively small licensing fee.


Crunchyroll can reduce costs of licensing fee by taking down shows after a month of TV broadcast and increase the premium membership and advertising. Use that money to pay for the licensing fee and hopefully obtain international streaming rights. Although it's somehow hard to get licensing rights, try to get as much countries as possible.

Apparently, I recently found out that since Kadokawa has make a deal with Nico Nico, there aren't many shows available outside US or Canada compared to last time when Kadokawa titles are available internationally on Crunchyroll before the deal was made. Maybe Crunchyroll should boycott the deal and hopefully, more Kadokawa titles would be available not just in the US, but other countries too.

It seems odd that in making your claim about the cost and ease of international licensing rights, you cite an article that relates to one company that licenses only for the United States and another that has only very recently began to branch out beyond the U.S. and Canada.

You claim "Crunchyroll can reduce costs of licensing fee by taking down shows after a month of TV broadcast". What proof do you have that is in fact true? I have my doubts that Fairy Tail (the only simulcast that works this way) is less expensive to license than most other shows. If anything, this type of approach results in the show having a lower perceived value to viewers, because unless they were there at the start, they've missed out on viewing it legally.

As to Kadokawa, they own a small portion of the parent company of Nico Nico Douga, and it owns a small portion of them. You may not have noticed it, but the only Kadokawa title CR had this time was a sequel to an earlier Kadokawa series CR had (Sekai Ichi Hatsukoi). Given that, precisely what would have have CR boycott? Would you have them refuse to license the second Kore wa Zombie Desu ka? series if the terms in their contract for the first series give them the right to do so? I think that would fall under the realm of "cutting off your nose to spite your face".

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