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bzald wrote:
until some decides for you that bleach or wow should be illegal, and true not the best exsamples but they dont have to be this law is so loosely worded that it would seem you could ban just about anything and everything. As for law abiding citizen so what your saying is that if the law says that you can not use itunes to download music you will obey that law?


That "some" would be either have to be TV Tokyo, Viz Media, or Blizzard, who holds these copyrights, not the US government. If they say that XXX's website contains their copyrighted content, it's going down because said website used content without permission.

Nice to see that you're reaching for straws with your second bit since it has nothing to do with the situation considering that iTunes is legal. Now if you were to say Napster (the old one), then you would actually have something relating to the topic; and my response would be "lol" considering Napster got sued out of business for breaking copyright laws.


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So you think that this bill will stop hate, threats etc, I very much think that that will not happen and i agree with you about the hate, bullying, racist attacks etc. Like i said a bill will not stop it only thing that helped me in school was punching the person if i had too but most likely i just make sure they knew not to mess with me.


I don't. You wrote that this bill will prevent people from writing bad things about other people in which I responded that those words shouldn't even be on the internet in the first place.
And it's nice to see that you would resort to violence. It's great though that you would support my right to insult you over the internet from the safety of my own home.


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Like i said but i will go into more detail's:

1) no more youtube walkthrough's of games: (This is not to bad you just have to get permission for one game)
2) no more ign walkthrough's of games: (Do you really think that ign will ask ALL the companies that they review if it is ok?)
3) no more cooking shows that use other people recipes
4) what about pandora will they still be able to stream music?
5) etc


Points 1 & 2 are ridiculous considering that said companies are businesses who aren't targeting those that help expose said games in an attempt to increase sales but instead targeting websites that allow people to download their games WITHOUT PAYING FOR IT. It's the same reason as to why some Japanese companies allow fans to make doujinshi's but go after people who upload episodes online. One helps expose content and increase sales while the other hinders growth sales (often DVDs/BD and video games) and even then, they always have the right of telling them to cease and desist.

Point 3 doesn't make any sense. Are you talking about Professional TV networks like the Food Network or Home based Amature shows?
If talking about the former, then they most likely obtained permission from companies in order to recreate it on the show or had permission in the first place (such as Paula Deen cooking her own recipes on her own show)
If you mean the latter, then said person's show would follow under this:
"A mere listing of ingredients is not protected under copyright law. However, where a recipe or formula is accompanied by substantial literary expression in the form of an explanation or directions, or when there is a collection of recipes as in a cookbook, there may be a basis for copyright protection. Note that if you have secret ingredients to a recipe that you do not wish to be revealed, you should not submit your recipe for registration, because applications and deposit copies are public records. See FL 122, Recipes. "

Point 4: Google "Pandora Music Copyright" and the first link you get is a wikipedia article. Go and read the article and you'll see that they're basically doing what Crunchyroll is doing.



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EDIT:
a few exsamples:

1) MichellePhan's Channel on youtube http://www.youtube.com/user/MichellePhan she uses some like hatsune miku

2) walkthough's with http://www.youtube.com/user/TobyGames

3) walkthough's with http://www.youtube.com/user/TotalHalibut


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I smell revolution.

Man the riot gear and tear gas, because were goin' hard this time.
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bzald wrote:
So you think that this bill will stop hate, threats etc, I very much think that that will not happen and i agree with you about the hate, bullying, racist attacks etc. Like i said a bill will not stop it only thing that helped me in school was punching the person if i had too but most likely i just make sure they knew not to mess with me.


I don't. You wrote that this bill will prevent people from writing bad things about other people in which I responded that those words shouldn't even be on the internet in the first place.
And it's nice to see that you would resort to violence. It's great though that you would support my right to insult you over the internet from the safety of my own home.


bzald wrote:
Like i said but i will go into more detail's:

1) no more youtube walkthrough's of games: (This is not to bad you just have to get permission for one game)
2) no more ign walkthrough's of games: (Do you really think that ign will ask ALL the companies that they review if it is ok?)
3) no more cooking shows that use other people recipes
4) what about pandora will they still be able to stream music?
5) etc


Points 1 & 2 are ridiculous considering that said companies are businesses who aren't targeting those that help expose said games in an attempt to increase sales but instead targeting websites that allow people to download their games WITHOUT PAYING FOR IT. It's the same reason as to why some Japanese companies allow fans to make doujinshi's but go after people who upload episodes online. One helps expose content and increase sales while the other hinders growth sales (often DVDs/BD and video games) and even then, they always have the right of telling them to cease and desist.

Point 3 doesn't make any sense. Are you talking about Professional TV networks like the Food Network or Home based Amature shows?
If talking about the former, then they most likely obtained permission from companies in order to recreate it on the show or had permission in the first place (such as Paula Deen cooking her own recipes on her own show)
If you mean the latter, then said person's show would follow under this:
"A mere listing of ingredients is not protected under copyright law. However, where a recipe or formula is accompanied by substantial literary expression in the form of an explanation or directions, or when there is a collection of recipes as in a cookbook, there may be a basis for copyright protection. Note that if you have secret ingredients to a recipe that you do not wish to be revealed, you should not submit your recipe for registration, because applications and deposit copies are public records. See FL 122, Recipes. "

Point 4: Google "Pandora Music Copyright" and the first link you get is a wikipedia article. Go and read the article and you'll see that they're basically doing what Crunchyroll is doing.


First FallenYmir THIS bill will not stop people from hating you period, in fact im not sure where you get the hate speech part at this is a copyright bill for companies that it unless i missing some part of the bill?

why are points 1 & 2 ridiculous? it funny but i was on ign yesterday looking up some dark soul's info on there walk through and the person said im not sure i can put of this youtube video. Btw it seems that ign is going more towards player made wiki instead of having ign staffers work on it?

Again point 3 Comes back to point 1 and 2 the volume of information that is out there today is overwhelming, so what im asking is if there is 1000 games you want to review or 1000 recipes you want to put on your site. How do you ask for permission? What if your doing it for free like crunchyroll was?

and what is wrong with cosplay?

My problem with this law is that i ask permission for whatever i put up, I've always have BUT i can not see a person who does 50 or so reviews a week on products, that now has to ask the company every time he or she has to make a 5min review?

Or lets flip that what about the company how long before the company goes nutz with people asking premission to use there product for anything + now a review, I've seen this blizzard, marvel, DC all have said on there website that THEY will not fool with you unless they like you.

Although Blizzard it more of a time thing with them so now add in the player made reviews to that ugg

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I smell revolution.

Man the riot gear and tear gas, because were goin' hard this time.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8de2W3rtZsA

Can't wait.
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CarboKill wrote:


o3oBuddha wrote:

I smell revolution.

Man the riot gear and tear gas, because were goin' hard this time.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8de2W3rtZsA

Can't wait.


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From online identity theft, to viruses, to internet terrorists and weirdoes, and predators, and sexual predators,

And they target pirates........

Obama is one dumb son of a bitch.
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http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-740677/online-piracy-act-protect-our-websites

Similar arguments there too, so shouldn't these threads be combined or one deleted? It's almost a duplicate thread here.

http://muslimlinkpaper.com/index.php/civil-rights/85-civil-rights/2816-obama-a-disaster-for-civil-liberties.html

Interesting article about Obama's track record in expanding Bush policies in reducing people's civil liberties.
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Issue is that this bill bypasses due process, and it allows a site to be taken down for pretty much any reason, including user content.
let's paint it this way : 4chan could be bored and decide to screw with crunchyroll and start making hundreds of accounts, filled with images from actual episodes, posting links to sites to watch the content illegally, etc. The government can use user generated content, even forum posts, as grounds for shutting down a website, and they can do this with out going through any legal process, with out any investigation, and without even notifying Crunchyroll that they are being considered to be blocked due to user content.

It get's worse, now a user has made an amv of their favorite song and moments from a show. Fair grounds for blocking the entire site. A user makes a hand drawn animation parodying their favorite characters and using a mish-mash of 20 second sound clips from varying songs, never using more than 30 seconds from any song. For a bill that doesn't require research to show whether the content in question is actually in violation of any copyright laws, many, many bad calls will be made. The biggest issue is that it violates not only fair use, but also ignores the judicial system.

It's a bill that is trying to ignore one of the fundimental checks in our system of government. That alone, regardless of the other contents of the bill, is more than enough grounds to keep this from passing, and it's sad to see that our system continues to try and ignore some of the most basic concepts it is based on.

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Considering how big this could be for the U.S. (and for other countries around the world that may follow suit), I'm surprised that I couldn't find a thread on this already.

Specifically, I want to set up a discussion on H.R. 3261, the "Stop Online Piracy Act", a bill currently going through the U.S. Legislation: http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3261/show
Although I haven't thoroughly read the bill or its constituent bills (S.968, the "Protect IP Act" and S.978, the "Commercial Felony Streaming Act": http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s968/show and http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-s978/show , respectively), the summaries make me a little worried (especially the last line in the quick summary of S.968 above).

For anyone who wants to oppose this, there is a petition available at http://americancensorship.org/, with some additional information (though, unfortunately, due to how soon the bill could pass, the link leads to a substantial amount of emotionally-charged but largely uninformative language, so try to avoid over-interpreting what is shown there). I myself am not entirely certain if I should sign up myself, but I may be motivated to do so after seeing some other and, hopefully, more informed opinions.

So, what do the rest of you think about this? Naturally, this is going to have a more immediate impact on people in the U.S., but similar laws could find their ways to other countries, so I'd like to hear opinions from as many people as I can on this.


Sorry about this, but you were a bit too slow with creating this thread, even if you put in more effort.


http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-740677/online-piracy-act-protect-our-websites

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