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Posted 11/16/11

Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:



facedesk.jpg well how did crunchy roll and youtube start in the first place? I am not typing it out you should know this by now. The freedom or sharing of information should not be censored by the internet or by anyone, all this will do is create a police state with no room of growth in the digital market. We have ways of dealing with illegal content as it is through the dmca, corporations need to stop linening up peoples pockets by paying their selected senator assholes off so they can get what they want, MORE FOR THEM AND LESS FOR YOU. You're probably one of those that believe that 1 illegal download = a loss sale, not true. In the entertainment business it's better to try something out first then doing a shot in the dark especially with my newer hobby "visual novels" or "light novels". No i am not entitled to anything for free however if I take an interest in something but have no way of seeing it or playing it then I will do that way, you can call that what you will but that's how I have always been. I have supported the market in japan with over 3,000 dollars by importing games, manga etc by doing this first eh.. what else I don't know... the dmca is doing fine btw it just shut down hongfire the biggest torrent vn site for you know, i really don't think we need anymore bills "the site is still up but only talking about patches and just became a community like onemanga"


If everyone went and made purchases of the content they found on illegal sites it wouldn't be an issue. I only use sites like niconico, crunchyroll, TAN and others that acquire license rights. DMCA obviously is not doing a good job because there is still an issue. So if I steal from you and use that to fund a security firm does that make it alright? There is a reason Crunchyroll changed and youtube actively enforces reported content. Actually if companies lost less money to illegal sites they would likely move more content to sites like crunchyroll. Funimation realized the benefits and that is why they partnered with niconico. Sometimes people who pirate content are doing just what you do and do support the industry but many do not. So you think because one torrent site is gone more wont spring up to take its place or a smaller one move to the top? when limewire shutdown frostwire used that as a way to get more people to use them. Also there are sites that have illegal content that are not torrents.

oh and i took out that part about not having official backing I can't say for sure it is but it does say it is organized by some internet organizations in the footer.
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Dropplet wrote:

This is unconstitutional! One of the Amendments is FREEDOM OF SPEECH


i agree, but SOME (not me) may say that Piracy isint Free speech . but i disagree with them
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True enough... but the DMCA is still done enough to hurt and leave blows in torrenting community with typical "Google has removed list due to dmca protect act", On hongfire it was THE BIGGEST site for downloading images/iso's of vn's but now there gone not to many want to re-upload the images, since you mentioned frost wire that is now just your basic torrent client as well, and believe me the DMCA is working. I am not proud oft his but I did download some x rated material from the states "to embarrassed to buy it from a store" 24 hrs after the fact my IP shut off my internet for 30 minutes until I could prove the fact that I deleted the said copyrighted material. It is working despite being embarrassing as hell.. but still it's working, THROUGH the companies not the federal government.
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I think it's an outrage. This is just one more way greedy corporations plan on getting more ill-gained revenue by closing down any possible threat to their sales. It's one thing to leave the conditions broad to make it adjustable to different situations and another to leave it completely vague. From what I understand, this bill makes it possible for those companies to be the judges of copyrights, and I think that is just plain wrong. The lawmakers responsible for this atrocity should be locked up for corruption and plain greed of lobbyists funding. I'm no genius, but I know for sure that this is definitely not how you combat piracy. Piracy =/= Freedom of Speech. They should really try to differentiate between the 2 before creating a failure of a solution.
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Toushiro1010 wrote:

I think it's an outrage. This is just one more way greedy corporations plan on getting more ill-gained revenue by closing down any possible threat to their sales. It's one thing to leave the conditions broad to make it adjustable to different situations and another to leave it completely vague. From what I understand, this bill makes it possible for those companies to be the judges of copyrights, and I think that is just plain wrong. The lawmakers responsible for this atrocity should be locked up for corruption and plain greed of lobbyists funding. I'm no genius, but I know for sure that this is definitely not how you combat piracy. Piracy =/= Freedom of Speech. They should really try to differentiate between the 2 before creating a failure of a solution.


EXACTLY! you've brought up another good point, i think that's exactly why the Government is trying to this to us . we all know that they are $money hungry . & the more money they make the better in their eyes, and they act as if they want this economy to get better but they still take and take from the U.S Citizens for a example, in some states their is a 8% tax on BEVERAGE and that's crazy and who get's that TAX MONEY!??? -> the G O V E R N M E N T . point blank they just want People to BUY THEIR PRODUCTS so they can get more CA$H! (srry about the caps i'm just pissed)
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This is how i feel - ->

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Before I put my opinion, are they censoring international sites?
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Mayumi12 wrote:

EXACTLY! you've brought up another good point, i think that's exactly why the Government is trying to this to us . we all know that they are $money hungry . & the more money they make the better in their eyes, and they act as if they want this economy to get better but they still take and take from the U.S Citizens for a example, in some states their is a 8% tax on BEVERAGE and that's crazy and who get's that TAX MONEY!??? -> the G O V E R N M E N T . point blank they just want People to BUY THEIR PRODUCTS so they can get more CA$H! (srry about the caps i'm just pissed)


I smell crazy. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but isn't sales tax determined by your state? Who put that person in charge of your state? You and your neighbors. Don't like'em? deal with it or change it. What is the alternative? Take the bottle of Dr. Pepper or Sprite off the shelf and just waltz right on out the door?
Remember folks, other than the simple basic NEEDS, everything else is a WANT. That extra-rare Kobe steak with an ice cold glass of Coca-Cola isn't something that's going to be given to you without a price.


lunarkitty24 wrote:
The music and film industry are getting on my nerves. I don't support Hollywood (no television and I don't go to the movies), I'd rather support companies like Apple or Crunchyroll that provide more innovative ways to get content to me (like books and such). Perhaps, those two industries should look at the source of the problem (not satisfying potential customers) and not try and put a government bandaid on it.


You may not follow Television, Hollywood, or the Music industry but plenty of people do and those are the people who find satisfaction in the products made by these businesses. Actually, you don't even make any sense since this site is basically living off of content produced by Japanese and Korean studios and if you don't support the sudios, Crunchyroll has no product to work with and thus your innovation idea never comes to fruition let alone get off the ground.


Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:
You're probably one of those that believe that 1 illegal download = a loss sale, not true. In the entertainment business it's better to try something out first then doing a shot in the dark especially with my newer hobby "visual novels" or "light novels". No i am not entitled to anything for free however if I take an interest in something but have no way of seeing it or playing it then I will do that way, you can call that what you will but that's how I have always been


Tell that to the people who killed the chance of having Valkyria Chronicles 3 coming over. Good job there, guy.


Dropplet wrote:

This is unconstitutional! One of the Amendments is FREEDOM OF SPEECH


If you think piracy is protected under the first amendment, plagiarism should be covered under it as well. Makes sense, no?
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Alot of you are missing the point. This bill considers anything used that is copyrighted a criminal offense. If I post a picture of an anime character its considered piracy, if I make a crappy cover on youtube of a (insert band here) song then thats considered piracy. Basically sites like deviantart, youtube, tumblr, facebook, reddit, 4chan, and all forum sites will be blocked and eventually shut down if they can't police their site and make sure all copyrighted material is erased from their site.
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Words and the purist of knowledge are protected If i want to use or understand how something works then I have a right to, like with the jailbreak on the ipod/iphone ps3 etc. Sharing of that information should not be blocked form the CONSUMER and should be open for people that buy their products to use. I actually have a copy of valkryia chronicles 2 for my psp I did my job, i can't expect others to follow suit but it's hell it's sega as well. They have successfully killed off 3 franchises in the past 15 years starting with phantsy star, sonic and shining force "and this was before fucking pirating/torrents took over".

Maybe I am in the minority but I still buy my own hard copies and then make my own back ups, if you don't believe then take a peek at my psp collection below. Companies use any scape goat as a means, but VC2 the still sold around 15,000 copies which is decent for niche title "i have no clue about digital copies", all sega did was set themselves up for people downloading the Japanese iso for the psp then people doing fansub group "then no one will buy it". .... Okay off track here, my Federal Government has no right to block to what I am able to learn or see from the internet "aside from illegal porn which is well... that's on a different level" ...

Edit here is my psp collection minus a few games I am lending out

Posted 11/16/11
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The bill is not about just about illegal streaming sites, or torrent sites, it sets to stop copyright on the internet. Like rowley1080 mentioned, sites such as 4chan, Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube may be blocked and/or shut down if copyright material exists in it. Copyright material in the bill would be defined as work that infringes upon material made by a company. This means no album covers, fan art, no work representing material by the company.

It's a ridiculous bill, it really is. The punishment and the whole concept of policing the internet just won't work. The ability to shut down a website because of even one fan art is ludicrous.

Approving this bill will hinder the technological age, destroy the fundamental value of the internet, and invade personal internet privacy.
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Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:
Words and the purist of knowledge are protected
If i want to use or understand how something works then I have a right to, like with the jailbreak on the ipod/iphone ps3 etc. Sharing of that information should not be blocked form the CONSUMER and should be open for people that buy their products to use.


Unless I'm mistaken, a video of some random joe teaching you how to jailbreak a device doesn't fall under this bill considering that said video likely isn't COPYRIGHTED along with most other homemade how-to-do videos. Now if Apple or Sony themselves release a video and guy#451215 decides to rip and upload it onto Youtube then of course the video deserves to be removed.

And the bolded part just reinforces my belief that you would consider plagiarism an A-Ok thing to do.


Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:
I actually have a copy of valkryia chronicles 2 for my psp I did my job, i can't expect others to follow suit but it's hell it's sega as well. They have successfully killed off 3 franchises in the past 15 years starting with phantsy star, sonic and shining force "and this was before fucking pirating/torrents took over". Maybe I am in the minority but I still buy my own hard copies and then make my own back ups, if you don't believe then take a peek at my psp collection below. Companies use any scape goat as a means, but VC2 the still sold around 15,000 copies which is decent for niche title "i have no clue about digital copies", all sega did was set themselves up for people downloading the Japanese iso for the psp then people doing fansub group "then no one will buy it". ....


Killed off? Sonic is still kickin' considering how much critics and fans approved of Sonic Generations. People are still looking forward to PSO2 IIRC.
As for PSP title sales in the west, everyone who knows about the PSP can admit that it's basically dead here due to the amount of people who pirate the system which lead to lower sale figures. The PSP market is still going strong in Japan and when a good game is released there, you always have people asking why the PSP?

"During a recent interview in Singapore, Sega's team manager of console sales, Hiroshi Seno, confirmed that the game would not be localized due to the PSP platform not being popular and well liked in North America and Europe. He also said that localizing the title for an English-speaking audience would require past games of the franchise to sell a particular quantity; he added that Valkyria Chronicles II did not sell enough to justify localization costs.
When asked whether the game would be out as a downloadable title on the upcoming PlayStation Vita system, Seno said the company would make a concrete decision the next time it meets with Sony. Valkyria Chronicles III sold 102,779 units in its debut week of January 24 in Japan
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"I met up with RubyEclipse at the SEGA booth and asked him the question that is on many of our minds here at PSOW: "Will there be an English release of PSPo2: Infinity?"
Here is the response that I was given:
As much as I would love to see an English release of Infinity, SEGA West is currently not looking at further PSP development. Games like PSPo2 and Valkyria Chronicles 2 did not sell nearly as well as we had hoped that they would. Also, we all have to take into account the heavy amount of piracy that plagues the West. It may happen at some point, but there are currently no plans for it.
In a nutshell, we can blame poor sales and pirates. His response also leads me to believe that we will not be seeing Valkyria Chronicles 3, either. We also discussed how we are both excited for PSO2 and how SEGA is going full-force with that project. Ruby also owns a Japanese copy of Infinity, but he didn't appear to know that Max Attack Infinity is currently live. My guess is that it is because of how busy he has been with E3 preparation
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Go ahead and ask anyone on a forum about how well the PSP is doing here in the U.S. They'll agree that it's dead.


Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:
Okay off track here, my Federal Government has no right to block to what I am able to learn or see from the internet "aside from illegal porn which is well... that's on a different level" ...


Huh... I bet you use YouTube. Guess what YouTube doesn't allow? http://www.youtube.com/t/community_guidelines
So congratulations on being a hypocript for using a service that goes against your views. Stay classy my friend.


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sigh.. okay one more go ripping a video and re uploading is illegal, however I am talking about dumping a program like windows or the apple ios ipod os and seeing how it works on a pc and sharing that information online. Such as in taking a game, modding it then making it work or taking the wii, sharing the how to information with other modders etc that kind of thing will be blocked as well " i do not or will not allow the federal government to condone gathering and learning how things work, one wrong step and this could be bad.."

Yeah ... I will admit the psp is dead as hell in the west, I import most of my games "not shown as of now" but sony is planning on the new system with guess what... OPEN SOURCE to make apps, games etc so people can have fun with a device they legally buy. Yes the psp is dead and I am sad that it's over however it's not all grim for VC state side, when the vita comes out there is chance of doing of a port or drm digital copy for amercian gamers "sega will not lose any money on cost and those who still own an original psp can play it as well"

It's you-tube... porn isn't allowed on such or said site but THEIR rules, NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. What is so hard to understand that i don't care how a website runs it's own bossiness by setting up it's own rules/guidelines "i can take it elsewhere" however i do not support the government doing it nor will I ever"

Call this what ever the hell you want to, it's just mask for something more major down the road. The net is the last bastion for freedom, trade of information ideas and news. I don't want my government or any major corporation having any say on how it should be run "when it comes to information trading etc"
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as i said in another post already, this will not stop piracy but only make it worst because it will turn normal people into pirate
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they're not gonna be able to pass it... everyone's going to vote against it...
seriously....
there will actually be a revolt if they pass that bill.
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