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Online Piracy Act (Protect our Websites!)
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Posted 11/16/11

Crystabuni wrote:

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they're not gonna be able to pass it... everyone's going to vote against it...
seriously....
there will actually be a revolt if they pass that bill.


That's how all of us want to think, but then again, we're not the ones paying those "representatives" and senators. The only entities they are willing to represent are those that pay them, in other words the companies behind the bills themselves. And that my friend is what I call the hypocrisy of American's so called democracy. I mean, every movement started for the benefit of the people that resulted in the loss of sales for companies has been stopped dead due to this corrupted system. Look at the green movement, the media blocks them out, the government ignores it and turn to their more 'pressing' matters. Take a guess who paid them to do so. This is why I worry it's gonna get passed. One of the bill passed in the senate a few months ago, luckily one of the senators had enough sense to actually put the bill on hold.
Posted 11/17/11
I really hope this bill won't get passed.
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Posted 11/17/11

Teung wrote:

I really hope this bill won't get passed.


yeah you're not the only one .
Posted 11/17/11

Crystabuni wrote:

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they're not gonna be able to pass it... everyone's going to vote against it...
seriously....
there will actually be a revolt if they pass that bill.


This bill doesn't get a public vote. It's all up to legislators.
Posted 11/17/11 , edited 11/17/11

Kawashima00 wrote:

I'm against piracy and I can see how this could be helpful, but it just looks like it could do more harm than good


It won't be helpful. Corporations already have a ton of power over blocking content and suing over content that is illegally distributed on the internet, and ICE & Homeland security have already illegally shut down 30+ websites. We all know the government breaks it's own laws, or finds loopholes. So with this passed, it's clear that it will be abused for censorship when they are doing it small scale already.

You go after individual entities who break the law, not entire websites with tens of thousands of people just because a small percentage of the users break the law.

If this bill becomes law, that's what would happen. Even CR will be liable to be shut down simply on the bases that a few users shared a "link", to an illegal download, or download site.

CR can be 100% legit, and the site linked to from CR can be 99% legit. If the other site is being pulled, CR can be pulled too. I can't wait to see the government using it's new clone account system, to create hundreds of fake accounts, and then place illegal content on sites they want to fry, and then sink them.


And yes, clone account technology is real. It was being discussed around the time of the Wikileaks scandal, about how it could be used to sway opinions by forcing comments to follow a certain political/social side and make it seem like a popular standpoint. Aka, internet propaganda & brainwashing.
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Posted 11/17/11

varnlestoff wrote:


Kawashima00 wrote:

I'm against piracy and I can see how this could be helpful, but it just looks like it could do more harm than good


It won't be helpful. Corporations already have a ton of power over blocking content and suing over content that is illegally distributed on the internet.

The nice thing about this is it goes after those who are breaking the law, not entire sites with tens of thousands of people just because a small percentage of the users break the law.

If this bill becomes law, that's what would happen. Even CR will be liable to be shut down simply on the bases that a few users shared a "link", to an illegal download, or download site.

Even a link to a site that happens to have "some" illegal downloading. CR can be 100% legit, and the site linked to from CR can be 99% legit. If the other site is being pulled, CR can be pulled too.



I didn't know that it was any small infringement. It had the possibility to be helpful but I can see that its worst than I originally thought
Posted 11/17/11 , edited 11/17/11

Kawashima00 wrote:


varnlestoff wrote:


Kawashima00 wrote:

I'm against piracy and I can see how this could be helpful, but it just looks like it could do more harm than good


It won't be helpful. Corporations already have a ton of power over blocking content and suing over content that is illegally distributed on the internet.

The nice thing about this is it goes after those who are breaking the law, not entire sites with tens of thousands of people just because a small percentage of the users break the law.

If this bill becomes law, that's what would happen. Even CR will be liable to be shut down simply on the bases that a few users shared a "link", to an illegal download, or download site.

Even a link to a site that happens to have "some" illegal downloading. CR can be 100% legit, and the site linked to from CR can be 99% legit. If the other site is being pulled, CR can be pulled too.



I didn't know that it was any small infringement. It had the possibility to be helpful but I can see that its worst than I originally thought


The vid I linked in a earlier post is really insightful about why this is complete rubbish. I mean, it is ambiguous enough to make posting links, or talking about illegal content, a crime. ie; freedom of speech gone from the internet.

It's the internet equivalent of "if you could hang someone for talking about how much they like a new pearl jam album. Or telling your friend about a studio they can go to and listen to ADCD without paying.
Posted 11/17/11
This video is more informative than any of us are about this matter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLYgs0xMDm0&list=FLsaY4qwkmX7DJ_Mc-04yyOw&index=1&feature=plpp_video
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Posted 11/17/11

MirrorOfKagami wrote:

Here are the issues outside of the bill's attempt to retain billions in profits:
1) Artists are demanding they be paid 200+ years after their death rather than join the rest of the world as work for hire. Though, I am envious. It sure would be nice to receive royalties for flipping burgers when I was 16 today.

2) The entertainment industry violates many laws, especially at the federal level, with price gouging, price fixing, and massive fair trade violations.

3) Finally, and the most to blame: you. That's right, you. After all, where do you suppose they get the money to pay for the lobbyists to craft these bills? You just can't seem to live without latest bubble-headed teenage sex object song or idiot who thinks they're funny actor playing two sexes in a movie. But imagine what happens when you can find something else to entertain yourself at sites like YouTube made by people just like you, and they charge you nothing but maybe a "like".

This is why the issue is much more complicated than "censoring the internet".


So are you basically saying "Don't buy anything? O.o I'm confused.
Posted 11/17/11

AluraUneiiSo are you basically saying "Don't buy anything? O.o I'm confused.

Not at all. I'm saying the root of the problem is an industry saying every single one of us has to buy every single thing we enjoy.

That's not only impossible, but stupid.

If I enjoy the songs of 10 singers, but can only afford to financially support 2, does this mean I'm infringing the other 8 because I can't buy?

I say no.

They're trying to say yes.

That's a problem.

Posted 11/17/11
I doubt that this bill will get passed but then again unexpected things tend to happen.
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Posted 11/17/11


Very informative video. I disagree with the bill altogether now.
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Posted 11/17/11

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Very informative video. I disagree with the bill altogether now.


Yeah they government is taking all of this a STEP wayy too far
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Posted 11/17/11
I really hope this bill doesn't pass. It's just stupid that they will be able to arrest people for just expressing themselves. What the hell happened to the free speech that our forefathers fought and died for?
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Posted 11/17/11
Even if its about companies protecting their copyright's online, the line needs to be drawn here so that other things don't get shut down/censored. If we give up this, then we give up everything for internet
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