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Post Reply Hyakko, Glass Maiden, & CATMAN Marathon Needed
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Posted 11/29/11

sickVisionz wrote:

This is super awesome if it means that Hyakko has been licensed for a physical release by someone. It's one of the better spunky school girls getting into funny shenanigans and the occasional touching story anime out there.


THIS!

I really hope that it means its coming out on dvd and not just that CR didn't want to pay to renew the License.
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They have to pay more than once?
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Iggdrassil wrote:

They have to pay more than once?


If CR wants to keep the license yes they do, but I think I read from somewhere that it costs more to re-license a series than it is to license it. So I guess CR isn't really profiting from these series so instead of renewing it they are going to let it expire. Or it could be due to other restrictions.

Well anyways Glass Maiden and CATMAN has been on here since they went legal right? Then its not surprising to see them go.

I'm almost done with CATMAN then I'll watch S;G, Glass Maiden, and Hyakko.
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I really enjoyed Hyakko. If you like slice of life comedy then I recommend checking it out before it's gone.

Crunchyroll thanks for giving us the heads up!
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Fortunately, I watched Hyakko back in mid-September, and I can still watch Glass Maiden any time over at TAN (they added it back in August of this year).

That leaves CATMAN, which I thought about passing on, but it appears the episodes are very short (the first was less than 3 minutes), so one could probably watch the entire series in less than an hour.


For those that haven't seen Hyakko, I recommend giving it a shot before it goes.

Unfortunately, it being pulled from CR probably has nothing to do with being licensed for home video release. For those who haven't noticed, for most if not all of the series that applied to, the license was announced well before the series was pulled from CR.
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Posted 11/29/11

sickVisionz wrote:


dark_pride wrote:


sickVisionz wrote:

This is super awesome if it means that Hyakko has been licensed for a physical release by someone. It's one of the better spunky school girls getting into funny shenanigans and the occasional touching story anime out there.


Bantorra and Yumeiro Patissiere was removed, yet it wasn't licensed. Demon King Daimao was still here, yet it is licensed by Sentai. What made you think that Hyakko was licensed?


Panty & Stocking, Heaven's Lost Property, We Without Wings, Steins;Gate, and many more. There's a more than 50% chance of a show having been licensed when it gets removed from CR's library. Also, I never said "fact: it's licensed"


We, Without Wings is not yet removed, and I hope that it won't be removed.

The titles you've given (except We, Without Wings) are all properties of Kadokawa and were licensed by Funimation, thus were removed. We, Without Wings, even though it is licensed by Funimation, is still there because the series was licensed from Marvelous Entertainment (which also explains why Demon King Daimao is still here). Bantorra and Yumeiro were licensed from some strict, conservative publisher who-I-wont-bother-with-the-name, that's why the license is limited.

Notice that all those titles belong to Fuji Creative Corporation (FCC). Judging from the publisher, the license might be limited and doesn't guarantee a physical release.
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Khaltazar wrote:

Stelgim wrote: It's cool that they're getting licensed, this means they got popular, right? I would watch but it's not in my region, but those who can should do it fast ;)
It just means the owner of the license doesn't feel CR is bringing in enough revenue and they are revoking their license. This is the fourth or fifth show in two months to be removed. Sigh..


Licenses are normally for specific periods. That might be with an option to renew on the same terms, but its still a specific period.

In the case of Glass Maiden, for example, its obviously that Glass Maiden is now a Sentai/TAN series, licensed in June and released October 4, 2011. It could have been on an annual renewal, for example, but in any case, with Sentai picking it up, the license was always going to lapse whenever the current license period ended.


dark_pride wrote: ... Demon King Daimao was still here, yet it is licensed by Sentai. ...
Demon King Daimo was a shared stream when it originally simulcast, so the sharing of the rights with Sentai was written into the original contract.

As The Ancient One alluded to above, there's at least one original licensor that treats streaming licenses like DVD licenses, with a new Minimum Guarantee required to renew the license. And in one case, Crunchyroll simply picked up the full rights to a series, in order to obtain the simulcast rights. One reason for that practice is it guarantees that the contracting costs of the license renewal on the side of the original licensor is paid.

Now, the only time that Crunchyroll "pays" for rights is when the Minimum Guarantee is not met. The way the Minimum Guarantee system works is the licensee pays a set amount up front, and then as royalties are earned, credits the royalties against the Minimum Guarantee until the MG is covered. Once the MG is covered, all the royalties from that point on are paid out as regular residual royalty checks. As long as the Minimum Guarantee is hit sometime during the license period, its the people watching that show who "pay" for the series.

So over the long haul, Crunchyroll can only "afford" to offer an MG that matches their experience of likely viewership. And for streaming, most hits are in the first week and first month, not when a series is in the back catalog. Except for real big hit series, or very long running series, Crunchyroll cannot even afford a separate negotiation for back catalog rights. So if a streaming license is treated like a DVD license, it means that Crunchyroll cannot even make an offer without losing money on the deal.

On the other hand, if you can avoid the contracting costs, there is no other cost at all on the part of the original licensee, and that trickle of royalties is direct contribution to profits (or direct reduction of losses). And for Crunchyroll, there are no fixed costs, since the revenue from a viewer covers the bandwidth and file storage costs.

So a better way to cover contracting costs is to write an automatic renewal option into the original streaming contract. That means only one MG payment, for the original simulcast or original catalog release, only one set of contract costs, when that original contract is signed, and the original licensee simple renews the license unless and until some other licensee negotiates for the rights. Then they don't renew, and the license automatically stops.

The reason these renewals tend to "bunch" is because the license periods are most naturally written to as a certain number of broadcast seasons ~ so most series will expire at/near the beginning of January, April, July, or October, the starts of the four Japanese broadcast seasons. At one time they wrote many simulcast licensed for the season(s) of broadcast plus 30 days, but those also seem to have settled into the season(s) of broadcast plus one season.
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Posted 11/29/11
can watch that on philippine area?
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i didnt watch any of them
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Posted 11/30/11

agila61 wrote:


Khaltazar wrote:

Stelgim wrote: It's cool that they're getting licensed, this means they got popular, right? I would watch but it's not in my region, but those who can should do it fast ;)
It just means the owner of the license doesn't feel CR is bringing in enough revenue and they are revoking their license. This is the fourth or fifth show in two months to be removed. Sigh..


Licenses are normally for specific periods. That might be with an option to renew on the same terms, but its still a specific period.

In the case of Glass Maiden, for example, its obviously that Glass Maiden is now a Sentai/TAN series, licensed in June and released October 4, 2011. It could have been on an annual renewal, for example, but in any case, with Sentai picking it up, the license was always going to lapse whenever the current license period ended.


Exactly. They didn't renew because they figured it ran it's course on CR, time to try a different method.
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prabashi wrote: i didnt watch any of them

I watched Glass Maiden. As a SF detective thriller, it was OK ~ a C+/B- kind of series in my book. Since I like the genre, I was on my Roku list, and I watched episodes when I had caught up on my current series. But I'm not going to be pepper-spraying anybody to get the last boxset if Wal*Mart has it on a Black Friday sale.


Khaltazar wrote: Exactly. They didn't renew because they figured it ran it's course on CR, time to try a different method.
Not exactly right. That sounds like they first decided it was time to drop the CR license, then they went looking for greener pastures.

That has it backwards. Convening a meeting to decide whether or not to renew costs money. The way the automatic renewal approach works is that you routinely renew the license of all your series on back catalog, unless and until one of them gets a more lucrative offer from somewhere else. Then you remove it from the list of series that are on routine renewal.

So if Sentai had not decided to pick it up, then the original licensor would have likely continued renewing the streaming license for Glass Maiden indefinitely. You don't even worry about individual series under the automatic renewal system ~ you just routinely renew every single back catalog title until one of them gets a contract with an physical media distributor. That lets you avoid contracting and strategic decision making costs for all of the series in the back catalog, and you get a residual check from the streaming licensee that covers royalties earned on the whole set.

The original licensors who still treat streaming licenses like DVD or print publishing licenses are just being sticks in the mud who haven't caught up to best business practice in the field.


TheAncientOne wrote: ... For those that haven't seen Hyakko, I recommend giving it a shot before it goes.

Unfortunately, it being pulled from CR probably has nothing to do with being licensed for home video release. For those who haven't noticed, for most if not all of the series that applied to, the license was announced well before the series was pulled from CR.
CATMAN was announced at the same time as Glass Maiden, from the same publisher, so that might have been a package deal. If it was a package deal, then licensing Glass Maiden might have halted the automatic license renewal of both series.

As far as I can tell, Hyakko was not part of the same package ... and if Hyakko is a quality series, I wouldn't be surprised if Nozomi (RightStuf) picked it up. They only pick up series that have been definitely passed on by all the other R1 publishers ~ that's the natural niche for them, since RightStuf cannot afford to antagonize the other R1 publishers, and Hyakko will have been on the market long enough for all the other R1 publishers to have passed already.
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I already watched Glass Maiden once, and found it great. So...Hyakko and then Glass Maiden again before it goes! Just when I thought I was going to have free evenings!
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Posted 11/30/11

Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:


panzerveps wrote:

None of them are available in my region, so i guess I'm out of this marathon.
Fingers crossed for more animes in scandinavia next season. I hate torrenting!


at least your country is setting up blocks on ip to stop like the usa is trying to here. If at all I would recommend using a proxy to watch the series which is tad more justified than torrenting but who am I to judge??


Well, we only get the "everyone should be treated equally like terrorists and childabusers" law on the internets.
I know I should get a proxy, but I never get around doing it..
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Posted 11/30/11
Better get watching!
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i alrready watched it on fansubs, so i can say is freaking awesome, those who have not watched it, must do it right now
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