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Do you consider yourself an anime critic?
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25 / M / Pretentious Unive...
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Posted 11/29/11
When the final impressions are given to an anime that completes its run, the audience tends to split into two groups: those who analyze the strengths and weaknesses of the show, the "critics", and those who express their involvement on a more emotional level, the "fans." The contrast in critique inevitably comes to a head; the former says something to the effect of the fans mindlessly watching the work, while the latter's rebuttal begs the question of why critics would bother to watch something they don't like in the first place.

This isn't to say that it doesn't happen the other way around as well, but it's been my experience on several different forums and review sites that the above scenario is the norm.

It's my belief that fans should be more open to criticisms of their favorite anime. After all, a forum first and foremost is a place for discussion, which becomes nothing if not stagnant if everyone agreed on the same thing. However, some people let this excuse go to their head, and the result is a piece such as Carl Kimlinger's Nanoha review, which [the review] is often considered a laughingstock among most critics.

But I digress. Now while it's true that the mindset for "critics" and "fans" are not mutually exclusive and in fact every impression sees a marriage between both, I would wager that everyone leans more toward one or the other hence the reason for this thread. So a few things I need to leave before I open the floor:

--Do you consider yourself an anime critic or an anime fan?
--If you're a critic, can you be deeply immersed in something you analyzed unfavorably? If you're a fan, can you be critical of something you highly enjoyed?
--Do you tend to discuss shows you like, or do you tend to discuss shows where you feel you have a differing perspective?
--Which of these two are more problematic for you: that people are deterred from presenting their contrary viewpoints, or that people are hindered from posting in threads due to fear of having their personal preferences unfairly questioned?

As a final note making this topic a poll would be liable to skew responses toward one end or the other, therefore there should be no pressure of any sort toward either direction. Now hopefully by the time this topic dies down people can understand where folks on the other side of the fence are coming from, and at least retard any pointless arguments from happening.
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When I started to get into the whole Japanese cartoon/comic world, I started out as a "fan". As I grew older and was exposed to more of it, I started leaning towards the "critic" side. Call me hipster or whatever you want, but I just don't like 90% of what today's anime/manga has to offer.


StrongNerd wrote:

Now hopefully by the time this topic dies down people can understand where folks on the other side of the fence are coming from, and at least retard any pointless arguments from happening.


Internet Rule #11: All of your carefully picked arguments can easily be ignored.

Situations like these will always happen, regardless what you do:


Hell I got into a epic debate with a bunch of Gundam 00 fanboys/fangirls in Gamefaqs when my personal review stated that 00s1 is a 8/10, while 00s2 is a 6.5/10.
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No, I find myself to be an 'animation' critic. I'm majoring in animation, and there is a lot of history to the business. I argue with the anime fans who scream the Hollywood is 'white-washing' animes turn movies, because they seem to either not know, or don't want to admit, that anime itself is based on Disney works. They seem to forget that most animes have mostly a 'white' cast, even if they are Japanese. There are tons of blonde/brown/light/fantasy colored hair characters, with large light colored eyes out there. Granted, if the movie is bad, it's bad.

I'll take the argument that Goku was Asian, despite being an alien ffs, but Bulma definitely was not. Android 18 wasn't either. Speed Racer was based off the US Racing Circuts. Astroboy was based off Mickey Mouse's character model. Avatar: The Last Airbender, wasn't even Japanese. It was on Nickelodeon... Granted, they could have use more ethic actors, but the movie, itself, was terrible. Skin tone had nothing to do with bad writing and acting.

I find myself interested in not just anime, but in all animation. I love what Bruce Timm did for DC universe with Batman, Superman, and he is credited for making Harley Quinn. I definitely love the fluidity and story of a good animated series or movie. Bioware is taking some heat right now with their new '3-D anime' movie based in the Dragon Age world, but I look forward too it. Just because something is based in Japan, doesn't mean that it's exclusive. If that were the case, their wouldn't be anime at all, since that was based in the US.
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personal question why do most people use the 10 scale?? I just find it' be kinda stupid... i mean any game that scores lower than 7 most don't even care about or bother to read the review. Personally the 5 scale is much eaiser to use as below
5-little to no flaws overall enjoyable
4-some minor flaws/cliches but still above average and fun
3-Pretty average series/game with some new or decent appeal
2-below average series with major flaws only hardcore fans will enjoy it
1-Kill it with fire

again this is what I use to rate stuff... ahem also to answer the op's question it's matter of what you have seen or willing to watch. In order to be a good critic you must give any series the benefit of the doubt and keep an open mind. Do not align your-self with only one genre of anime or games by doing so you will hurt yourself. watch a variety of stuff from slice of life like nichjou to suspense like stein's gate or horror with higurahi.
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Posted 11/29/11

Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:

personal question why do most people use the 10 scale?? I just find it' be kinda stupid... i mean any game that scores lower than 7 most don't even care about or bother to read the review. Personally the 5 scale is much easier to use


Its a matter of personal preference, I don't use the 5 score scale because I personally feel its too small.

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Yes, I do. Though this debate will surely turn a bit hackneyed all I have to add are a few rules of which I'm sure there are more to be stated:

- acknowledge that manga/anime is a form of entertainment first before it is a form of art
- must attempt to watch different types and genres of animation
- realize that you can't by any means become an expert on anime overnight or in any short period of time
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Posted 11/29/11

andydono wrote:


Cecilthedarkknight234 wrote:

personal question why do most people use the 10 scale?? I just find it' be kinda stupid... i mean any game that scores lower than 7 most don't even care about or bother to read the review. Personally the 5 scale is much easier to use


Its a matter of personal preference, I don't use the 5 score scale because I personally feel its too small.



hmm i suppose so but most people that have talked to that see an out of 10 score won't even read the article or buy the game/series if it's below 6 or 7 i am just speaking from personal experience here, it's easier to trick some one with 5 scale then the 10 but like you said it's personal.. on that note since people here are talking about critiquing series anyone care to read any mine?

http://cecilsanimevisualnovelreview.blogspot.com/p/review-archive.html?zx=af96783cb5bfa0bd
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I will be much more persuaded by well-written high praise of a series than I would be if I just see a title with a high number or letter grade by it. Therefore, most most number ratings are relative while a qualitative review of something is much more concrete.
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What an interesting topic! I agree with what anydono has said:

andydono wrote:

When I started to get into the whole Japanese cartoon/comic world, I started out as a "fan". As I grew older and was exposed to more of it, I started leaning towards the "critic" side. Call me hipster or whatever you want, but I just don't like 90% of what today's anime/manga has to offer.


I also started out as a fan but over the years, I started to notice and analyze the anime as a whole. I guess its a skill that comes naturally as you immerse yourself in different animes. Although I can't help but feel dismayed with how some fan-atics behave (note the word i used was fanatics. there's a difference between one who likes to watch and another who agrues with fellow fans with what they watch). They glorify an anime too much even though the story is bad. I hate it especially when fans complain about the plot or ending even if its good. Sometimes you have to stop with all the commenting, take a look back and see the beauty of anime for what it is. I think this is where the level of critics transcends the level of fans. I dream of seeing a forum of anime critics discussing constructive insights on an anime. That would really be nice.
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Im a fan but there are things I will criticize on but not a whole lot. As long as the animation, story lines, and characters are good I dont judge much and let myself enjoy it rather than sit there and complain about every little thing
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StrongNerd wrote:

It's my belief that fans should be more open to criticisms of their favorite anime. After all, a forum first and foremost is a place for discussion, which becomes nothing if not stagnant if everyone agreed on the same thing. However, some people let this excuse go to their head, and the result is a piece such as Carl Kimlinger's Nanoha review, which [the review] is often considered a laughingstock among most critics.


Just out of curiosity, how was it decided that this particular review became a laughingstock among anime critics?
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I guess you could say I'm a critic . I do the 5 star scale vs the 10 points scale stars are more pretty (me attempting to be funny) I normally don't decide to watch anime based on ratings due to the fact I actually watch a lot of underrated anime that no one knows about (at least where I live) and don't agree with the ratings for a lot of them. but I'm not going to sit there and point fingers at people telling them that if they don't like a show they didn't give it a chance or call them haters. If you don't like then that's fine.

When It comes to finishing a series I usually tend to list the pros and cons of the series (especially if its an anime based on a manga I read before watching the show) I like a lot of anime but only have a few favorites because it has to really impress me to become a favorite I also do give a lot of series chances no matter what kind of genre it is. If the plot sounds interesting then why not? Example: Deadman's Wonderland. I didn't think I would like it, but I watched it anyway. It caught my interest. Would I say best anime ever? not really because there were good and bad things about it.

Okay now I'm going to throw my 2 cents about hollywood movie adaptations to anime. Alright Dragonball movie. It was terrible it wasn't because it didn't follow Dragonball right it was just due to the fact the plot was bad and I thought the acting was bad too. Same goes for The Last Airbender. I think they could have done a better job. I mean I'm glad that there were attempted movie adaptations to anime series, however they were done terribly. I'm not that kind of fan where if you don't follow the anime series exactly right I'm going to pop a vain because I understand that you can't fit every little detail in a 90 minute movie.

On a side note I actually find humor in people criticizing some of the shows I like due to the fact what they point out is true but I still watch it anyway. So I can take criticisms pretty well and just laugh it off and I usually end up agreeing with them but it doesn't cause me to stop watching the show since I like it and if they don't then hey, its cool we just have different tastes.
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I tried to give criticism of fan parody videos on Youtube. The results were mediocre.
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imphic wrote:

I tried to give criticism of fan parody videos on Youtube. The results were mediocre.


There's a total double standard from what I've seen too. Sure it's okay to criticize the original work but when you start to deride the ones who do the parody. Whoa, they get all bent out of shape, if that is what you're talking about.
Posted 11/30/11
sort of but not really, i find criticising people is more fun, since they can actually try to hit you with a comeback (notice the word 'try')
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