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Why is disciplining children by spanking them good/bad?
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Only those who lack discipline will demand obedience from others, either verbally, physically, or both.

What's so different about restricting a child's freedom through isolation, than sentencing someone to jail? And thanks to the Standford Prison experiment, social scientists knew just how harmful this can be on individuals' psyche.

What's worst is this intentional deception from the parents, of how they hide physical violence through methods of concealment. This will only teach children how to hide an otherwise abusive relationship, along with their mark of needless shame and blame.

Finally, when discipline can be nurtured without the use of violence. This dependence on corporal punishment is nothing more that stupid superstition and childish behavior coming from the so-called "adults". And the lack of thoughtfulness is the cause for an undisciplined mind.

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those who lack discipline will demand obedience from others, either verbally, physically, or both.

Like police officiers? Teachers? Principles? Prison guards? Sometimes agressiveness is justified and so is violence. Like during 9/11/2001, many cops, firefighters, and others had to be aggressive in order to rescue people. And had to demand obedience to be able to work together. Parents are the same way with their children.

What's so different about restricting a child's freedom through isolation, than sentencing someone to jail? And thanks to the Standford Prison experiment, social scientists knew just how harmful this can be on individuals' psyche

If im not mistaken that particular study focused on the phychologoical effects of BEING a prisoner or prisoner guard. It had nothing to do with solidtary confinement and its effects on the phyche. Which there is no legit study for that because people dont measure a criminal's phyche before they go into prison.

What's worst is this intentional deception from the parents, of how they hide physical violence through methods of concealment. This will only teach children how to hide an otherwise abusive relationship, along with their mark of needless shame and blame.

its kind of hard to hide spanking a child from the child you are spanking. :/ And children dont need to be taught how to hide abusive relationships, they do that already without any help or need of being taught. And if the spanking is deserved, the child should be shamed and blamed.

Finally, when discipline can be nurtured without the use of violence. This dependence on corporal punishment is nothing more that stupid superstition and childish behavior coming from the so-called "adults". And the lack of thoughtfulness is the cause for an undisciplined mind

No one is arguing for a dependence on corporal punishment, but combined with other forms of disipline, it cant be all that harmful when used in moderation. And yes i did read those studies the poster put up, most were simply silly. Especially that IQ one...that brought back some memories about a similiar silly study...peace over war:ph34r:
Don't assume what you didn't know, as in rationalizing organized aggression and violence isn't justifying the immorality of abuse. Spontaneous self-organization during an actual emergency isn't organized "aggression" nor "violence". Therefore your "straw man" fallacy is moot. Furthermore, not every day is 9/11, and civil disobedience for the sake of humanity is a secular virtue called "practical wisdom".

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And you're wrong on the reality of the Stanford Prison Experiment, the harmful consequences of social isolation through sensory deprivation, and the mandatory/involuntary psychiatric evaluation on criminals as ordered by the court for fair trail.

Moreover, your excuse for spanking, shaming, and blaming doesn't justify the need to hide what's actually domestic abuse. And nobody deserves to be abused. Period.

Finally, when violence without justification only teaches violence without justification through model by example, you're not teaching discipline with moderation. Period.


And you're wrong on the reality of the Stanford Prison Experiment, the harmful consequences of social isolation through sensory deprivation, and the mandatory/involuntary psychiatric evaluation on criminals as ordered by the court for fair trail.

I have studied that experiment and it was basically about the students/prisoners and guard's reactions to each other. That is not the same thing as a study on solidtary confinement. There was a study done on the effects of solidtary confinement in maximun security prisons, where the prisoners are locked up 23 hours a day. What they found was that some criminals actually do better in solidary confinement, while others go crazy; but none of the evidence was conclusive because the government doesnt do psychiatric evaluations on civilians BEFORE they become inmates. they do them afterwords, so there is no way to tell if the inmates were crazy before they even ever got to prison. And since many inmates ARE socially deviant to begin with (or they wouldn't have done the crime), they aren't exactly a reliable representative of normal law abiding citizens.

...ok wait a second, i think I may have read your statement wrong- what is social isolation? is that the same thing as solidtary isolation? peace over war:ph34r:

Posted 1/20/12

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And you're wrong on the reality of the Stanford Prison Experiment, the harmful consequences of social isolation through sensory deprivation, and the mandatory/involuntary psychiatric evaluation on criminals as ordered by the court for fair trail.

I have studied that experiment and it was basically about the students/prisoners and guard's reactions to each other. That is not the same thing as a study on solidtary confinement. There was a study done on the effects of solidtary confinement in maximun security prisons, where the prisoners are locked up 23 hours a day. What they found was that some criminals actually do better in solidary confinement, while others go crazy; but none of the evidence was conclusive because the government doesnt do psychiatric evaluations on civilians BEFORE they become inmates. they do them afterwords, so there is no way to tell if the inmates were crazy before they even ever got to prison. And since many inmates ARE socially deviant to begin with (or they wouldn't have done the crime), they aren't exactly a reliable representative of normal law abiding citizens.

...ok wait a second, i think I may have read your statement wrong- what is social isolation? is that the same thing as solidtary isolation? peace over war:ph34r:
You didn't even examine and analyze my evidences via the hyperlinks I presented, so why should I believe in your anecdote reporting without factual evidence? Your argument is moot.
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Spanking is a sign of weak leadership. Respect should be earned through words and actions, not physically.
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I think a major problem is that a lot of people cannot differentiate the difference between spanking and beating.

Spanking should just be a couple of quick swats on the ass. It shouldn't be a long, drawn out process of hitting your kid until you get tired. If you are going to get belts, making your kid go get the 'switch', hitting them with houseshoes/game controllers/wires/cords/etc, that's abusive as hell and you're doing it wrong.
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Spanking is a sign of weak leadership. Respect should be earned through words and actions, not physically.


It depends on what you decide is the best way to raise your child. In my experience, corporal punishment hasn't really done anything bad for anyone I know. I think a lot of people raised in an African household will probably understand what I'm talking about. I don't think your parents should have to earn your respect. I believe that they deserve to be honored, regardless of whether you like it or not (but that's just a cultural thing). anyway, I don't think most parents actually enjoy punishing their children but it is sometimes necessary.
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Spanking is a sign of weak leadership. Respect should be earned through words and actions, not physically.


It depends on what you decide is the best way to raise your child. In my experience, corporal punishment hasn't really done anything bad for anyone I know. I think a lot of people raised in an African household will probably understand what I'm talking about. I don't think your parents should have to earn your respect. I believe that they deserve to be honored, regardless of whether you like it or not (but that's just a cultural thing). anyway, I don't think most parents actually enjoy punishing their children but it is sometimes necessary.


That's very true. I'm black, and that's the sort of household that I was brought up in. It wasn't "Okay, we're going to try to work for your esteem." It was "Honor us or get the fuck out."

That, and I grew up on the saying, "I brought you into this world and I can take you out of it."
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Just like tha majority of people on here I think its ok if nessisary. and yea, never out of anger. If your angry and cant handle it then ask your partner to help out so you can go cool off. a swat on the butt should be ok but never abuse the chile or grab there arms tightly to get there attention. I dont think they understand it. And yelling at them isnt good either. you have to have control and patience and understand that they might not know better depending on the age.
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I don't think it's good to PUNISH (yes, including spanking) children when they're doing bad things...
Punishment should be limited to verbal aggresion I think... Well, too much verbal agresion won't be good (like taunting or threatening them) it could lead them to a scaredy person...
Punishment tends to increase more unwanted behavior...
Plus, punishment doesn't tell us what to do it just tells us what we can't do...
Well, personally, I think punishment is needed just make sure we can limit it to a certain level..:)
Try to act more open minded and friendly towards them...:)
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