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Dude DBZ was a classic anime whether you think it sucks or not


No it wasn't a classic anime. Even if I didn't suck, it is still not a classic anime.
Classic anime has to set a standard of excellence. Even for those who consider Dragonball Z good, you cannot deny that it did not change the way anime was made. The only thing that stands out in Dragonball Z is its popularity. It did not set a standard of excellence like Akira or Neon Genesis Evangelion.


Not true. "Dragonball" (and when I say "Dragonball" I mean the whole series, including Z and GT) really set the standard for a lot of today's young boys' action/adventure anime. Without it we wouldn't have series like "One Piece", "Naruto", "Konjiki no Gash Bell", "Beet the Vandel Buster, "Bleach", "Rave Groove Adventure", and many others.


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arx7arbalest wrote:


Dem0nEye wrote:

Dude DBZ was a classic anime whether you think it sucks or not


No it wasn't a classic anime. Even if I didn't suck, it is still not a classic anime.
Classic anime has to set a standard of excellence. Even for those who consider Dragonball Z good, you cannot deny that it did not change the way anime was made. The only thing that stands out in Dragonball Z is its popularity. It did not set a standard of excellence like Akira or Neon Genesis Evangelion.


Not true. "Dragonball" (and when I say "Dragonball" I mean the whole series, including Z and GT) really set the standard for a lot of today's young boys' action/adventure anime. Without it we wouldn't have series like "One Piece", "Naruto", "Konjiki no Gash Bell", "Beet the Vandel Buster, "Bleach", "Rave Groove Adventure", and many others.



I said a standard of excellence. Everything that Dragonball did for shounen anime are often thought of as flaws rather than doing something revolutionary.

Also, many plot devices that Dragonball used can probably be found in older shounen anime. Dragonball Z is just more well known. Heck, you can even say that Dragonball Z took a lot from old ass RPGs. The original Dragonball reminds me of a western animation plot. Collect all the whatever and something cool happens and there are bad guys who also want it.
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arx7arbalest wrote:


firecrouch wrote:


arx7arbalest wrote:


Dem0nEye wrote:

Dude DBZ was a classic anime whether you think it sucks or not


No it wasn't a classic anime. Even if I didn't suck, it is still not a classic anime.
Classic anime has to set a standard of excellence. Even for those who consider Dragonball Z good, you cannot deny that it did not change the way anime was made. The only thing that stands out in Dragonball Z is its popularity. It did not set a standard of excellence like Akira or Neon Genesis Evangelion.


Not true. "Dragonball" (and when I say "Dragonball" I mean the whole series, including Z and GT) really set the standard for a lot of today's young boys' action/adventure anime. Without it we wouldn't have series like "One Piece", "Naruto", "Konjiki no Gash Bell", "Beet the Vandel Buster, "Bleach", "Rave Groove Adventure", and many others.



I said a standard of excellence. Everything that Dragonball did for shounen anime are often thought of as flaws rather than doing something revolutionary.

Also, many plot devices that Dragonball used can probably be found in older shounen anime. Dragonball Z is just more well known. Heck, you can even say that Dragonball Z took a lot from old ass RPGs. The original Dragonball reminds me of a western animation plot. Collect all the whatever and something cool happens and there are bad guys who also want it.


"Dragonball" did set a standard for excellence. Just because it's known for its flaws doesn't mean it's not known for what it did right as well. Hell, "Akira" and "Evangelion" are revolutionary classics but they still had their flaws.

And it's hard to say that "Dragonball" wasn't revolutionary. So what if it borrowed a lot from other anime/manga, it's impossible to do any kind of art that's completely and totally original. "Fist of the North Star" is a total classic but you can't deny it borrowed from "Mad Max" and possibly even "Violence Jack". It was different because it really went in different directions, it had a lighthearted art style and comedic tone, and yet it evolved from a fun adventure into an intense fighting action series that had a surprisingly serious tone at certain times, especially when the sci-fi themes started to come in. And the resemblance it bears to other series that follow it is undeniable, it had it's fair share of innovations.
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firecrouch wrote:


arx7arbalest wrote:


firecrouch wrote:


arx7arbalest wrote:


Dem0nEye wrote:

Dude DBZ was a classic anime whether you think it sucks or not


No it wasn't a classic anime. Even if I didn't suck, it is still not a classic anime.
Classic anime has to set a standard of excellence. Even for those who consider Dragonball Z good, you cannot deny that it did not change the way anime was made. The only thing that stands out in Dragonball Z is its popularity. It did not set a standard of excellence like Akira or Neon Genesis Evangelion.


Not true. "Dragonball" (and when I say "Dragonball" I mean the whole series, including Z and GT) really set the standard for a lot of today's young boys' action/adventure anime. Without it we wouldn't have series like "One Piece", "Naruto", "Konjiki no Gash Bell", "Beet the Vandel Buster, "Bleach", "Rave Groove Adventure", and many others.



I said a standard of excellence. Everything that Dragonball did for shounen anime are often thought of as flaws rather than doing something revolutionary.

Also, many plot devices that Dragonball used can probably be found in older shounen anime. Dragonball Z is just more well known. Heck, you can even say that Dragonball Z took a lot from old ass RPGs. The original Dragonball reminds me of a western animation plot. Collect all the whatever and something cool happens and there are bad guys who also want it.


"Dragonball" did set a standard for excellence. Just because it's known for its flaws doesn't mean it's not known for what it did right as well. Hell, "Akira" and "Evangelion" are revolutionary classics but they still had their flaws.

And it's hard to say that "Dragonball" wasn't revolutionary. So what if it borrowed a lot from other anime/manga, it's impossible to do any kind of art that's completely and totally original. "Fist of the North Star" is a total classic but you can't deny it borrowed from "Mad Max" and possibly even "Violence Jack". It was different because it really went in different directions, it had a lighthearted art style and comedic tone, and yet it evolved from a fun adventure into an intense fighting action series that had a surprisingly serious tone at certain times, especially when the sci-fi themes started to come in. And the resemblance it bears to other series that follow it is undeniable, it had it's fair share of innovations.


Of course it wasn't completely original, but the only things original about it was a bunch power-ups, stare-offs, long episodes, and lengthy training sequences. All those appear to me as flaws rather than something revolutionary. That is what it brought to shounen genre.

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arx7arbalest wrote:


firecrouch wrote:


arx7arbalest wrote:


firecrouch wrote:


arx7arbalest wrote:


Dem0nEye wrote:

Dude DBZ was a classic anime whether you think it sucks or not


No it wasn't a classic anime. Even if I didn't suck, it is still not a classic anime.
Classic anime has to set a standard of excellence. Even for those who consider Dragonball Z good, you cannot deny that it did not change the way anime was made. The only thing that stands out in Dragonball Z is its popularity. It did not set a standard of excellence like Akira or Neon Genesis Evangelion.


Not true. "Dragonball" (and when I say "Dragonball" I mean the whole series, including Z and GT) really set the standard for a lot of today's young boys' action/adventure anime. Without it we wouldn't have series like "One Piece", "Naruto", "Konjiki no Gash Bell", "Beet the Vandel Buster, "Bleach", "Rave Groove Adventure", and many others.



I said a standard of excellence. Everything that Dragonball did for shounen anime are often thought of as flaws rather than doing something revolutionary.

Also, many plot devices that Dragonball used can probably be found in older shounen anime. Dragonball Z is just more well known. Heck, you can even say that Dragonball Z took a lot from old ass RPGs. The original Dragonball reminds me of a western animation plot. Collect all the whatever and something cool happens and there are bad guys who also want it.


"Dragonball" did set a standard for excellence. Just because it's known for its flaws doesn't mean it's not known for what it did right as well. Hell, "Akira" and "Evangelion" are revolutionary classics but they still had their flaws.

And it's hard to say that "Dragonball" wasn't revolutionary. So what if it borrowed a lot from other anime/manga, it's impossible to do any kind of art that's completely and totally original. "Fist of the North Star" is a total classic but you can't deny it borrowed from "Mad Max" and possibly even "Violence Jack". It was different because it really went in different directions, it had a lighthearted art style and comedic tone, and yet it evolved from a fun adventure into an intense fighting action series that had a surprisingly serious tone at certain times, especially when the sci-fi themes started to come in. And the resemblance it bears to other series that follow it is undeniable, it had it's fair share of innovations.


Of course it wasn't completely original, but the only things original about it was a bunch power-ups, stare-offs, long episodes, and lengthy training sequences. All those appear to me as flaws rather than something revolutionary. That is what it brought to shounen genre.



I already mentioned the positive things about it that make it original, and some of those things you mentioned aren't even negative or positive, they're just different. And just because something is flawed doesn't mean it isn't revolutionary. Whenever something inspirational and exciting comes out, those who were inspired by it will continue what said thing started and try to expand on it. Whether you like "Dragonball" or not, you can't deny that when you look at the shounen genre today the resemblance is uncanny.

Another thing I forgot to mention were the main characters of the story, especially Goku; that was definitely something original and timeless. Goku to me was really the cartoon hero that I wanted to be like when I was younger, but in a different way from the Marvel and DC characters I didn't really relate to. "Dragonball" follows Goku all the way into in his adulthood, and the whole time he retains a genuine warmth, innocence, and sincerety that any healthy child would have. At the same time he had a constant drive to become stronger and become better, and whenever the time came he kicked ass and put on a fighting face better than anyone else. To me Goku embodied what I wanted to be like when I was a kid, as I'm sure he did for many others, and of course that influence can be seen in today's popular anime characters like Luffy and Naruto.
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firecrouch wrote:


arx7arbalest wrote:


firecrouch wrote:


arx7arbalest wrote:


firecrouch wrote:


arx7arbalest wrote:


Dem0nEye wrote:

Dude DBZ was a classic anime whether you think it sucks or not


No it wasn't a classic anime. Even if I didn't suck, it is still not a classic anime.
Classic anime has to set a standard of excellence. Even for those who consider Dragonball Z good, you cannot deny that it did not change the way anime was made. The only thing that stands out in Dragonball Z is its popularity. It did not set a standard of excellence like Akira or Neon Genesis Evangelion.


Not true. "Dragonball" (and when I say "Dragonball" I mean the whole series, including Z and GT) really set the standard for a lot of today's young boys' action/adventure anime. Without it we wouldn't have series like "One Piece", "Naruto", "Konjiki no Gash Bell", "Beet the Vandel Buster, "Bleach", "Rave Groove Adventure", and many others.



I said a standard of excellence. Everything that Dragonball did for shounen anime are often thought of as flaws rather than doing something revolutionary.

Also, many plot devices that Dragonball used can probably be found in older shounen anime. Dragonball Z is just more well known. Heck, you can even say that Dragonball Z took a lot from old ass RPGs. The original Dragonball reminds me of a western animation plot. Collect all the whatever and something cool happens and there are bad guys who also want it.


"Dragonball" did set a standard for excellence. Just because it's known for its flaws doesn't mean it's not known for what it did right as well. Hell, "Akira" and "Evangelion" are revolutionary classics but they still had their flaws.

And it's hard to say that "Dragonball" wasn't revolutionary. So what if it borrowed a lot from other anime/manga, it's impossible to do any kind of art that's completely and totally original. "Fist of the North Star" is a total classic but you can't deny it borrowed from "Mad Max" and possibly even "Violence Jack". It was different because it really went in different directions, it had a lighthearted art style and comedic tone, and yet it evolved from a fun adventure into an intense fighting action series that had a surprisingly serious tone at certain times, especially when the sci-fi themes started to come in. And the resemblance it bears to other series that follow it is undeniable, it had it's fair share of innovations.


Of course it wasn't completely original, but the only things original about it was a bunch power-ups, stare-offs, long episodes, and lengthy training sequences. All those appear to me as flaws rather than something revolutionary. That is what it brought to shounen genre.



I already mentioned the positive things about it that make it original, and some of those things you mentioned aren't even negative or positive, they're just different. And just because something is flawed doesn't mean it isn't revolutionary. Whenever something inspirational and exciting comes out, those who were inspired by it will continue what said thing started and try to expand on it. Whether you like "Dragonball" or not, you can't deny that when you look at the shounen genre today the resemblance is uncanny.

Another thing I forgot to mention were the main characters of the story, especially Goku; that was definitely something original and timeless. Goku to me was really the cartoon hero that I wanted to be like when I was younger, but in a different way from the Marvel and DC characters I didn't really relate to. "Dragonball" follows Goku all the way into in his adulthood, and the whole time he retains a genuine warmth, innocence, and sincerety that any healthy child would have. At the same time he had a constant drive to become stronger and become better, and whenever the time came he kicked ass and put on a fighting face better than anyone else. To me Goku embodied what I wanted to be like when I was a kid, as I'm sure he did for many others, and of course that influence can be seen in today's popular anime characters like Luffy and Naruto.


Of course it wasn't completely original, but the point is that everything that DBZ was doing was already being done. It wasn't the only anime with a light hearted shounen out there at that time. Astro Boy went off in several different directions. Other than power-ups and dragged out fights, Dragonball was basically using doing the same thing that every other anime was doing since the beginning of anime. There was no Sci-fi themes in Dragonball. There were bad guys who just happened to be androids. It doesn't mean its Sci-fi. Your kicking butt on another planet doesn't mean its sci-fi. Ok... so it is technically sci-fi, but to go out and say that it was a theme of Dragonball is completely out there.

On top of that, the plot was extremely repetitive. The arcs were pretty formulaic. Bad guy comes, power up, kick his ass. Of the anime that does take its cues from Dragonball, their plots still seem to be fairly basic. The word "Excellence" still doesn't seem to characterize Dragonball in terms of plot or storytelling.

Besides, nothing that follows the shounen formula so closely can be considered revolutionary. Dragonball Z did not invent the shounen formula, it was just another anime that followed it.

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arx7arbalest wrote:


firecrouch wrote:


arx7arbalest wrote:


firecrouch wrote:


arx7arbalest wrote:


firecrouch wrote:


arx7arbalest wrote:


Dem0nEye wrote:

Dude DBZ was a classic anime whether you think it sucks or not


No it wasn't a classic anime. Even if I didn't suck, it is still not a classic anime.
Classic anime has to set a standard of excellence. Even for those who consider Dragonball Z good, you cannot deny that it did not change the way anime was made. The only thing that stands out in Dragonball Z is its popularity. It did not set a standard of excellence like Akira or Neon Genesis Evangelion.


Not true. "Dragonball" (and when I say "Dragonball" I mean the whole series, including Z and GT) really set the standard for a lot of today's young boys' action/adventure anime. Without it we wouldn't have series like "One Piece", "Naruto", "Konjiki no Gash Bell", "Beet the Vandel Buster, "Bleach", "Rave Groove Adventure", and many others.



I said a standard of excellence. Everything that Dragonball did for shounen anime are often thought of as flaws rather than doing something revolutionary.

Also, many plot devices that Dragonball used can probably be found in older shounen anime. Dragonball Z is just more well known. Heck, you can even say that Dragonball Z took a lot from old ass RPGs. The original Dragonball reminds me of a western animation plot. Collect all the whatever and something cool happens and there are bad guys who also want it.


"Dragonball" did set a standard for excellence. Just because it's known for its flaws doesn't mean it's not known for what it did right as well. Hell, "Akira" and "Evangelion" are revolutionary classics but they still had their flaws.

And it's hard to say that "Dragonball" wasn't revolutionary. So what if it borrowed a lot from other anime/manga, it's impossible to do any kind of art that's completely and totally original. "Fist of the North Star" is a total classic but you can't deny it borrowed from "Mad Max" and possibly even "Violence Jack". It was different because it really went in different directions, it had a lighthearted art style and comedic tone, and yet it evolved from a fun adventure into an intense fighting action series that had a surprisingly serious tone at certain times, especially when the sci-fi themes started to come in. And the resemblance it bears to other series that follow it is undeniable, it had it's fair share of innovations.


Of course it wasn't completely original, but the only things original about it was a bunch power-ups, stare-offs, long episodes, and lengthy training sequences. All those appear to me as flaws rather than something revolutionary. That is what it brought to shounen genre.



I already mentioned the positive things about it that make it original, and some of those things you mentioned aren't even negative or positive, they're just different. And just because something is flawed doesn't mean it isn't revolutionary. Whenever something inspirational and exciting comes out, those who were inspired by it will continue what said thing started and try to expand on it. Whether you like "Dragonball" or not, you can't deny that when you look at the shounen genre today the resemblance is uncanny.

Another thing I forgot to mention were the main characters of the story, especially Goku; that was definitely something original and timeless. Goku to me was really the cartoon hero that I wanted to be like when I was younger, but in a different way from the Marvel and DC characters I didn't really relate to. "Dragonball" follows Goku all the way into in his adulthood, and the whole time he retains a genuine warmth, innocence, and sincerety that any healthy child would have. At the same time he had a constant drive to become stronger and become better, and whenever the time came he kicked ass and put on a fighting face better than anyone else. To me Goku embodied what I wanted to be like when I was a kid, as I'm sure he did for many others, and of course that influence can be seen in today's popular anime characters like Luffy and Naruto.


Of course it wasn't completely original, but the point is that everything that DBZ was doing was already being done. It wasn't the only anime with a light hearted shounen out there at that time. Astro Boy went off in several different directions. Other than power-ups and dragged out fights, Dragonball was basically using doing the same thing that every other anime was doing since the beginning of anime. There was no Sci-fi themes in Dragonball. There were bad guys who just happened to be androids. It doesn't mean its Sci-fi. Your kicking butt on another planet doesn't mean its sci-fi. Ok... so it is technically sci-fi, but to go out and say that it was a theme of Dragonball is completely out there.

On top of that, the plot was extremely repetitive. The arcs were pretty formulaic. Bad guy comes, power up, kick his ass. Of the anime that does take its cues from Dragonball, their plots still seem to be fairly basic. The word "Excellence" still doesn't seem to characterize Dragonball in terms of plot or storytelling.

Besides, nothing that follows the shounen formula so closely can be considered revolutionary. Dragonball Z did not invent the shounen formula, it was just another anime that followed it.



Good points all around. So then why do you think the series became so popular all over the world to this day?
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Good points all around. So then why do you think the series became so popular all over the world to this day?


It was a good Saturday morning cartoon. For children, it was perfect. An adventure with a child protagonist who was fairly likeable. It developed large fanbase of younger audiences and stretched out the anime to go last until it ended in 1997. Fans of the series stayed faithful for 9 years while retaining that good saturday morning cartoon feeling.

Sometimes, you don't want a good plot. You want a simple kick ass shounen. It's like watching a kung fu movie. The story can be pretty bad at times, but your in it to see someones ass get kicked.
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