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The Old Homosexuality/Bisexuality as Choice debate..
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Posted 1/24/12

PepperKillsPepsi wrote:

Gay people can be gay if they want to, it's none of your business.

Many people who are bisexual are simply bi-curious, going through that awkward stage of puberty. For Ppople who're actually bisexual, that's their business, not yours.

And that's that really. We're all human at the end of the day, it's like comparing milk chocolate to dark chocolate - at the end of the day, it's still chocolate, and you're still going to put on weight.


Bingo. Leave people to their own choices, why must they be criticized if they happen to be attracted to the same sex. Its like so shocking to some ppl in this time and age.
Posted 1/24/12 , edited 1/24/12

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PepperKillsPepsi wrote:


Bingo. Leave people to their own choices, why must they be criticized if they happen to be attracted to the same sex. Its like so shocking to some ppl in this time and age.
Why can't you people smarten up?! When the fact is sexual orientation isn't a choice, because it's predetermined by an individual organism's genetic expression.

Reversing Sexual Orientation
Watch this video from ScienCentral showing how scientists can reverse sexual orientation. By turning on a gene in the brain, scientists have shown they can reverse sexual orientation in worms. They did it to prove they could gain control of an organism's brain circuitry.
So tell me, how can human individuals manage to choose their own genetic sequencing before birth?
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Posted 1/26/12

DomFortress wrote:


Havoc_360 wrote:


PepperKillsPepsi wrote:


Bingo. Leave people to their own choices, why must they be criticized if they happen to be attracted to the same sex. Its like so shocking to some ppl in this time and age.
Why can't you people smarten up?! When the fact is sexual orientation isn't a choice, because it's predetermined by an individual organism's genetic expression.

Reversing Sexual Orientation
Watch this video from ScienCentral showing how scientists can reverse sexual orientation. By turning on a gene in the brain, scientists have shown they can reverse sexual orientation in worms. They did it to prove they could gain control of an organism's brain circuitry.
So tell me, how can human individuals manage to choose their own genetic sequencing before birth?


That links in with the whole 'Nature vs Nurture' debate. If say you was brought up by homosexual adoption, there may be a greater chance you turn gay yourself from seeing them as 'role models'. Maybe you had bad experiences with girls and turn gay because of that. It could link into many things, not just nature, although nature can determine a persons sexuality too.
Posted 1/27/12

PepperKillsPepsi wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


Havoc_360 wrote:


PepperKillsPepsi wrote:


Bingo. Leave people to their own choices, why must they be criticized if they happen to be attracted to the same sex. Its like so shocking to some ppl in this time and age.
Why can't you people smarten up?! When the fact is sexual orientation isn't a choice, because it's predetermined by an individual organism's genetic expression.

Reversing Sexual Orientation
Watch this video from ScienCentral showing how scientists can reverse sexual orientation. By turning on a gene in the brain, scientists have shown they can reverse sexual orientation in worms. They did it to prove they could gain control of an organism's brain circuitry.
So tell me, how can human individuals manage to choose their own genetic sequencing before birth?


That links in with the whole 'Nature vs Nurture' debate. If say you was brought up by homosexual adoption, there may be a greater chance you turn gay yourself from seeing them as 'role models'. Maybe you had bad experiences with girls and turn gay because of that. It could link into many things, not just nature, although nature can determine a persons sexuality too.
Unless you can demonstrate exactly how through social epicgenetic, at which point did what RNA sequence did change, thus altered the individual's DNA expression. Until then your pseudoscience hypothesis is moot.

The epigenetics of social adversity in early life: implications for mental health outcomes.
Abstract

An organism's behavioral and physiological and social milieu influence and are influenced by the epigenome, which is composed predominantly of chromatin and the covalent modification of DNA by methylation. Epigenetic patterns are sculpted during development to shape the diversity of gene expression programs in the organism. In contrast to the genetic sequence, which is determined by inheritance and is virtually identical in all tissues, the epigenetic pattern varies from cell type to cell type and is potentially dynamic throughout life. It is postulated here that different environmental exposures, including early parental care, could impact epigenetic patterns, with important implications for mental health in humans. Because epigenetic programming defines the state of expression of genes, epigenetic differences could have the same consequences as genetic polymorphisms. Yet in contrast to genetic sequence differences, epigenetic alterations are potentially reversible. This review will discuss basic epigenetic mechanisms and how epigenetic processes early in life might play a role in defining inter-individual trajectories of human behavior. In this regard, we will examine evidence for the possibility that epigenetic mechanisms can contribute to later-onset neurological dysfunction and disease.
Furthermore, imitation isn't a choice. Thus your excuse didn't prove your original claim.
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Posted 1/30/12 , edited 1/30/12
I choose to be homosexual. Though I guess that would just make me a lazy bisexual. Either way, I feel rather silly seeing myself in terms of my sexuality. It would be like a straight guy identifying himself primarily by his love of blondes or whatever, rather silly and superficial. I see it as more of a fetish.
Posted 2/1/12
I think you don't choose to be LGBT. It's how God made you. I was born this way for a reason. I may not have more male testosterone then other girls, but I always was attracted to girls and boys. There is nothing wrong with my genes or whatever. Sure my 'gay gene' was turned on while other had that gene off, but I didn't choose it to. There was a small part of me when I was growing up that was attracted towards females but when I was twelve and saw how negative people reacted to Katy Perry's 'I Kissed A Girl' song, I got scared. I thought it was a bad thing to be attracted to girls. But I can't help it if I'm bi. Lady Gaga helped me realized that I was just born this way ^_^

"No matter gay, straight, or bi, lesbian, transgendered life, I'm on the right track baby, I was born to survive!"
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Posted 2/3/12 , edited 2/3/12

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I choose to be homosexual. Though I guess that would just make me a lazy bisexual. Either way, I feel rather silly seeing myself in terms of my sexuality. It would be like a straight guy identifying himself primarily by his love of blondes or whatever, rather silly and superficial. I see it as more of a fetish.
Hmm a gay person who actually agrees that homosexuality is a choice. Well I guess that's not totally unexpected since plenty of straight people think homosexuality is a choice, then people of other orientations might as well too. But see that's the thing, we are each a certain orientation despite how we act or what we believe and if your beliefs are independent of your innate self then some gay people can believe they are not born with it. Personally I think some gays are people who think they are gay or want to act gay because it's becoming more hip and cool and it's a way of expressing yourself as unique. Whatever the frosting on the cake is though, the cake is still what it is inside. It's that inside that cant be faked, chosen or changed. Some just happen to *be* gay and some happen to *be* bi or straight or like me (pansexual). It's how it is.



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Posted 2/3/12
for some people its a choice.
for others they are just born that way.
either way.
they're still a normal human.
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JustineKo2Personally I think some gays are people who think they are gay or want to act gay because it's becoming more hip and cool and it's a way of expressing yourself as unique.


I dunno, I always identified as straight, then I got a message from a guy on OKC, went on a date on a whim, surprise kiss and I liked it. Turns out my genitals don't really care about gender. It's not really something I wear on my sleeve IRL, though. I dress pretty conservatively, I'm not flamboyant at all (though my ex was quite), I don't have any particular affinity to Glee, Lady GaGa (I'm more inclined to the mosh pit) or GSA clubs. I just happen to like being in romantic relationships with men, and there really isn't any more to that than the simple physical and emotional attraction of it. Could I be with a woman? Probably, I'm at least attracted to them on a screen, but it isn't like I have some insatiable desire to do so. Then again, I haven't dated anyone in well over a year.

Unrelated: speaking of mosh pits, it struck me just how homoerotic they might otherwise be. A bunch of guys with their shirts off, slamming into and falling over each-other, covered in sweat... Granted, at the time I was most concerned with seeing how many people I could slam the farthest into the crowd.
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This is my beleif:
To call a sexuality whatever it is Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, Bisexuality, Asexuality or Pansexuality a choice is an unmotivated attitude from people who are insecure with themselves.
There are so many qualities that make up a human being by the time I get through them all what they do with their private parts is so low on the list that it's irrelevant.

Sexual attraction, romantic attraction and gender identity are separate of each other.

Ask yourself: Is you sexual orientation a choice? If the answer is No… well, there you got it; that applies to the rest of humanity as well.
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Here is my opinion;

First off, let me just say that I notice a lot of people getting Homosexuality/Gay and Bisexuality as two totally different things when actually they're the same but one is just a branch off of the other.


Anyways, being Gay IS a choice. No one is born Gay. Ever. If they are born Gay, then how come there are so many Ex-Gay's? You can never become a 'Ex' of something that you're born with. You never see any Ex-Blacks, Asians, French, etc. For proof of Ex-Gays, read stories from Exodus International.
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Posted 2/9/12 , edited 2/9/12

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Anyways, being Gay IS a choice. No one is born Gay. Ever. If they are born Gay, then how come there are so many Ex-Gay's? You can never become a 'Ex' of something that you're born with. You never see any Ex-Blacks, Asians, French, etc. For proof of Ex-Gays, read stories from Exodus International.
So your proof of there never being a person born gay "ever" is the existence of so called "ex-gays"? The only proof that the ex-gay movement provides us is that gays being pressured to reject their identity follow an anguished and destructive path to a pretend self that their peers approve of. If homosexuality was a choice, then it would be a simple choice just to not be gay.

Sexual orientation is not black and white, on or off. It is one of the many continuums of diversity that every person falls on somewhere along a scale. Two black people rarely have the exact same skin color, same way with whites or different nationalities. Any aspect that can be labeled has a spectrum within that label. So you can't say every person is born straight because even if there truly weren't any gay people, you'd still end up with people considered less straight or more straight. And then we'd be having an argument something like "no one is born less-straight."

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If homosexuality or any other sex/gender "deviation from the norm" is really a choice how come I had to battle for 40+ years with my Homophobic upbringing before I accepted that I was a member of the LGBT community? Why couldn't I have just been straight? Why the decades of misery. To anyone who trivializes that journey as a choice. I say: fuck you.
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Posted 2/14/12

xXGintamaXx wrote:

Here is my opinion;

First off, let me just say that I notice a lot of people getting Homosexuality/Gay and Bisexuality as two totally different things when actually they're the same but one is just a branch off of the other.


Anyways, being Gay IS a choice. No one is born Gay. Ever. If they are born Gay, then how come there are so many Ex-Gay's? You can never become a 'Ex' of something that you're born with. You never see any Ex-Blacks, Asians, French, etc. For proof of Ex-Gays, read stories from Exodus International.


See my post immediately above. have a nice day.


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Posted 2/14/12

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If homosexuality or any other sex/gender "deviation from the norm" is really a choice how come I had to battle for 40+ years with my Homophobic upbringing before I accepted that I was a member of the LGBT community? Why couldn't I have just been straight? Why the decades of misery. To anyone who trivializes that journey as a choice. I say: fuck you.


Just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean that their homophobic. That word does not even exist. I am able to speak truth just as much as you are able to. Why get so upset if you choose the right thing? Just accept the consequences for your actions. By the way, just because you argue with someone on an internet forum doesn't validate your lifestyle choice. I'm on here to voice my opinions and not to argue.
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