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Steins Gate licensing lost - does this happen a lot?
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There are other sites that streams this series thou which are in subbed. Is Heaven's Lost Property coming out in DVD subbed or dubbed? I've seen the series but kinda curious.

Heaven's Lost Property is already out. As I recall, it was released on December 20.

As with all Funimation releases, this is a dub, although of course the original Japanese audio and English subtitles are also available on the disc (BD+DVD combo pack).

At their website, viewers can see the first two dubbed episodes of the first series for free, or all of the episodes of both series (original and Forte in subtitled format with one exception: Episode 14 "Project Pink" from the first series, which is only available to Elite Membership subscribers, and of course those that buy the box set. That episode was not aired, and thus was the only one not simulcast by Crunchyroll. Elite subscribers can also all of the episodes of the first series in dub format, and are not limited to the first two offered to free viewers.


Back on topic, they have yet to add Steins;Gate to their website, although I do see episodes for Deadman Wonderland and Is this a Zombie? coming up next month.

It should be noted they already have 6 subtitled episodes of DW up, but for Elite subscribers only currently. Keep in mind one difference between these and what CR showed is these will not have the broadcast censoring.



This question kinda off topic but compared to CR's premium membership vs. Funimation Elite Membership, which do u perfer?
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Crunchyroll thus far, is in the business of simulcasts/internet streaming. Therefore when a series does get licensed for dubbing/home video release they will more than likely have to remove it from the website.
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Crunchyroll thus far, is in the business of simulcasts/internet streaming. Therefore when a series does get licensed for dubbing/home video release they will more than likely have to remove it from the website.

It is a bit like comparing apples and oranges, because the strength of CR's subscription is in simulcasts, while the strength of Funimation's is library titles. In fact, if you watch simulcasts at Funimation, even with an Elite Membership, you still get standard resolution and even ads. They actually recommend watching them at Nico Nico for HD. By contrast, however, the titles they license for DVD release get both uncensored versions and dubs, both of which you are unlikely to see at CR. In essense, I would say Funimation Elite is more for people that like to view anime on DVD, but not wish to collect them. It doesn't hurt that Elite members can view many of the titles in 720p, which beats DVD.

If I only had enough money to pay for one, however, I would stick with CR.

One advantage CR has is lower cost. Even if I was paying monthly, Funimation is $1 more per month, and when compared to the 12 month membership I subscribe to at CR, it is $3.95 more per month. That said, if there was one monthly membership I pay that is put in jeopardy by my Funimation Elite Membership, it is Netflix. Perhaps 95% of what I view there is anime, and between Funimation Elite and TAN, I have access to basically all the same titles as they stream. The only advantage thus far is that TAN will sometimes post an entire dubbed series there while still in the process of rolling it out at a rate of one episode per week to their website. There is also Netflix's more refined player, and the ability to view it on my Roku.

To be honest, I think for most people, Funimation Elite will be a service they join for a month or two, view all the titles they are interested in, drop out for a while, join again for a month, and repeat the process. The fact that membership thus far is month-to-month certainly doesn't discourage this.

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kufirst wrote:

Crunchyroll thus far, is in the business of simulcasts/internet streaming. Therefore when a series does get licensed for dubbing/home video release they will more than likely have to remove it from the website.

It is a bit like comparing apples and oranges, because the strength of CR's subscription is in simulcasts, while the strength of Funimation's is library titles. In fact, if you watch simulcasts at Funimation, even with an Elite Membership, you still get standard resolution and even ads. They actually recommend watching them at Nico Nico for HD. By contrast, however, the titles they license for DVD release get both uncensored versions and dubs, both of which you are unlikely to see at CR. In essense, I would say Funimation Elite is more for people that like to view anime on DVD, but not wish to collect them. It doesn't hurt that Elite members can view many of the titles in 720p, which beats DVD.

If I only had enough money to pay for one, however, I would stick with CR.

One advantage CR has is lower cost. Even if I was paying monthly, Funimation is $1 more per month, and when compared to the 12 month membership I subscribe to at CR, it is $3.95 more per month. That said, if there was one monthly membership I pay that is put in jeopardy by my Funimation Elite Membership, it is Netflix. Perhaps 95% of what I view there is anime, and between Funimation Elite and TAN, I have access to basically all the same titles as they stream. The only advantage thus far is that TAN will sometimes post an entire dubbed series there while still in the process of rolling it out at a rate of one episode per week to their website. There is also Netflix's more refined player, and the ability to view it on my Roku.

To be honest, I think for most people, Funimation Elite will be a service they join for a month or two, view all the titles they are interested in, drop out for a while, join again for a month, and repeat the process. The fact that membership thus far is month-to-month certainly doesn't discourage this.



I have TAN, CR, Netflix, Hulu Plus and Funimation Elite. Hell, I even paid the 25 cents and the 20 dollars to NicoNico and ANN just to really feel like I'm supporting the industry the best way I can. They all overlap at some point but I figured that it's the most efficient use of my money in supporting the (online) anime industry. However, the only anime I want to watch on Netflix are all dubbed and that is a bit irksome but I'll manage.
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This question kinda off topic but compared to CR's premium membership vs. Funimation Elite Membership, which do u perfer?


As others have pointed out, they both have advantages, but at this point I'm holding back on Funi until they come out with a Roku app so I don't have to watch on a computer screen.
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stark700 wrote: This question kinda off topic but compared to CR's premium membership vs. Funimation Elite Membership, which do u perfer?

For myself, Crunchyroll, because the only FUNimation simulcast I am interested in is streaming at Hulu+, and FUNimation does not have Roku support and the site design is basically unusable on my Nook Color.

And sometime early next year, Hulu+ will be available on my Nook, putting Funimation,com Elite further behind.

I used to watch FUNimation simulcasts using the Roku YouTube app, but it seems like as part of their niconico deal, they've dropped Youtube simulcasts.

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stark700 wrote: This question kinda off topic but compared to CR's premium membership vs. Funimation Elite Membership, which do u perfer?

For myself, Crunchyroll, because the only FUNimation simulcast I am interested in is streaming at Hulu+, and FUNimation does not have Roku support and the site design is basically unusable on my Nook Color.

And sometime early next year, Hulu+ will be available on my Nook, putting Funimation,com Elite further behind.

I used to watch FUNimation simulcasts using the Roku YouTube app, but it seems like as part of their niconico deal, they've dropped Youtube simulcasts.



Same but I usually watch streaming on another site and very rarely @ Hulu. Funimation is alrite imo as I watched some of their series. I have not checked out what they have to offer tbh for their membership but doubt I will anyways since I'm more accustomed to CR.

If I were to subscribe to CR, it would be to support the anime community and watch HD episodes of some of the bigger series. (Ex. Fairy Tail, Bleach, etc)
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trust me there are other means of watching steins;gate so don't worry
http://www.gogoanime.com/category/steins-gate
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yeap , once a distributor publisher got the license to sell it etc etc etc , the license for the streaming is affected. I believe thats in the contract if I am not mistaken and they the control to release it.

The problem is..... the not so legal stream sites will take over and will make money out of it.not unless Funimation start streaming the anime in their channel in hulu
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Posted 12/28/11

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I just signed up for my 2 week trial. Steins Gate was just getting good when I could no longer access the videos I had just been watching. Then I noticed the message saying that it had been removed due to licensing restrictions. Does this happen a lot? Is Steins Gate coming back? I don't know if I want to subscribe if series are just going to disappear.

Steins;Gate didn't go away without notice, and won't be coming back. There should have been a notice of the impending removal near the top of the main page for the series (although if you were going in via the queue or other means, you would have missed it). A notice was posted in the Site News section of the forum on November 18, 2011, slightly more than a month before it was scheduled to be removed.


If you were up on the news of the anime world, this one (and most of the other removals this year) could have been seen from much further out. When Funimation announces the licensing of a series, and it is one on Crunchyroll, and it is from Kadokawa (publisher info can be found near the bottom of the main page of a series), you can count on it eventually going away.

Sometimes it is relatively soon after the announcement (i.e, Funimation announced the acquisition back at the beginning of July that included 3 series that were on Crunchyroll, but Deadman Wonderland went first, back on October 9). Some take even longer. For example, Funimation announced their licensing of Strike Witches 2 soon after CR did, but it wasn't removed until earlier this year, almost a year after it finished airing. I am not certain what determines the timing of this, whether it is when certain contract terms are met (i.e, a payment, delivery of materials, etc.), but if it is a Kadokawa series, you can count on it, and should at least anticipate it if it is from another publisher.

The good news (in a way) is that going forward, you are going to see next to no Kadokawa series on Crunchyroll, as with the probable exception of sequels to series CR licensed from them in the past, those will be going to the Funico joint venture (Funimation + Nico Nico), due to Kadokawa's relationship with Nico Nico.


So means no more Kadokawa titles on Crunchyroll?! Oh man, nearly most of the shows available in my region are from Kadokawa so it means no more stimulcasts for my region anymore?! Fuck FUNimation, Kadokawa and Nico Nico, hope they rot in hell and I hope CR can make a deal with Kadokawa to provide stimulcasts in the future.
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So means no more Kadokawa titles on Crunchyroll?! Oh man, nearly most of the shows available in my region are from Kadokawa so it means no more stimulcasts for my region anymore?! Fuck FUNimation, Kadokawa and Nico Nico, hope they rot in hell and I hope CR can make a deal with Kadokawa to provide stimulcasts in the future.

Probably about the only Kadokawa titles CR will be seeing in the foreseeable future are sequels to series CR had before, as there usually seems to be a clause in the contract that gives CR rights to those. You may not have noticed, but the only Kadokawa series CR had for the fall season was Sekai Ichi Hatsukoi 2, which was a sequel to a series CR had in the Spring (just before NicoNico.com started anime simulcasts). NicoNico.com didn't simulcast this, and CR didn't have a 1 week delay as they did with all the Kadokawa series in the summer. The problem with using this as a litmus test is that it is a BL series, which NicoNico.com may have had little interest in simulcasting.

The real test will come with Kore wa Zombie Desu ka?: Jigoku Hen, which both NicoNico.com and Funimation (having licensed the first series) definitely will want to simulcast. If CR gets the simulcast for this (whether in addition to Funico or instead of it), it will serve as verification of CR's rights to sequel series.

Unless NicoNico.com is an utter failure, I doubt Kadokawa will renew their relationship with CR, because Kadokawa owns part of the parent company of Nico Nico, and it owns part of them. Basically, even if Funimation was not in the picture, we would still have this problem.

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There have really been very few series that have been removed due to licensing restrictions over the past year. The vast majority of them remain available. It is really just the Kadokawa series that seem to go away.

As for Funi Elite vs CR Premium, at this point the edge is definitely in CR's favor. If Funi ever puts out a Roku app it will be closer. I would have to look to see what of the Funi Elite shows are available on Hulu + to see if it is even worth the trouble of getting their elite package. If they are on Hulu +, that has more to offer and is on Roku, though I dropped it a while back because most of the anime wasn't available on Roku or PS3. I understand that many more titles are available now, but I also have PlayOn software that lets me watch Hulu on Roku or PS3 without having the plus membership. (Of course, Funi has started doing + only series, so there are some things I can't watch there...)

The Ancient One brought up the idea of getting a membership for a month or two to watch a bunch of shows, then dropping it until there is more that you want to watch. I have felt the same way about TAN and thought that I would try it for a couple months to watch some series they have, but I never seem to feel like I have time to marathon things and I'd hate to pay the money and not have time to use it...
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At least Steins;Gate was picked up by Funimation. They release stuff on their streaming website, DVDs, netflix and sometimes hulu and, or itunes so you'll be able to find it upon its release.

S;G is worth paying for IMHO. I enjoyed it and am looking forward to seeing a dubbed version (I generally like Funi's dubs so my hopes are high), they will also release it with subtitled Japanese if that is your preference.

As for how often it happens well, often but not so much that it makes your subscription obsolete. it really depends on who licenses it and the terms of the licensing. You can bet that when someone like Funi or Sentai licenses it they will take it off of CR. But there are a lot of good shows that aren't ever licensed so they stay on CR, or the licensing allows the show to stay on CR. You're really paying the subscription for the simulcasts anyway. The CR library, which is large, is just a bonus. Unfortunately you just got on a bit too late for S;G. Don't worry there is plenty more where that came from.
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Probably about the only Kadokawa titles CR will be seeing in the foreseeable future are sequels to series CR had before, as there usually seems to be a clause in the contract that gives CR rights to those. You may not have noticed, but the only Kadokawa series CR had for the fall season was Sekai Ichi Hatsukoi 2, which was a sequel to a series CR had in the Spring (just before NicoNico.com started anime simulcasts). NicoNico.com didn't simulcast this, and CR didn't have a 1 week delay as they did with all the Kadokawa series in the summer. The problem with using this as a litmus test is that it is a BL series, which NicoNico.com may have had little interest in simulcasting.

The real test will come with Kore wa Zombie Desu ka?: Jigoku Hen, which both NicoNico.com and Funimation (having licensed the first series) definitely will want to simulcast. If CR gets the simulcast for this (whether in addition to Funico or instead of it), it will serve as verification of CR's rights to sequel series.

Unless NicoNico.com is an utter failure, I doubt Kadokawa will renew their relationship with CR, because Kadokawa owns part of the parent company of Nico Nico, and it owns part of them. Basically, even if Funimation was not in the picture, we would still have this problem.



So, you're saying that you may or may not get the second season of Kore Kore wa Zombie Desu ka? although CR has simulcasted the first season? That's quite a pity though. I hope that CR can secure the simulcasts although I don't really mind the delay.

About the deal, NicoNico deal with Kadokawa WILL be an utter failure since they get a fraction of the viewers compared to simulcasting on CR since CR can reach a wider audience and many people are familiar to this site. The shows on NicoNico are available in the US and Canada while most of Kadokawa titles simulcasted before on CR before are available in most countries, thus reaching more viewers and more revenue per show. Although Fate/Zero on NicoNico is available worldwide, the site is in Japanese and it's not available even on the US site. I bet a few seasons later, they will feel the impact and hopefully go back to CR. Bear in mind the deal has affected CR greatly since majority of shows are from Kadokawa.
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I hope so too.
I really want to CR to get stronger so they can get the good titles out there and have more control over the ones they have first season simulcast . At least a lot more anime fans know Crunchyroll and I even recommend this to our club members. I like the streaming here compared to NIcoNico site. The other sites are annoying .

I hope Morita san keeps recommending CR .

I like the design of CR website too
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