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I think it's douchebaggy to disrespect someone by bothering them with your religion. I have a thing. Don't fuck with my beliefs, I won't fuck with yours. Because, quite honestly, I don't care what you believe. Just treat me with respect and all will be well.
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Lala thinks it's the person's right to be Christian, even though it's fake. People who push their beliefs onto others are really rude! Because even if people confront Christians with reasons to stop believing, they aren't going to stop believing anyway! Because people take offense to their opinions being challenged.
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LalaSatalin wrote:

Lala thinks it's the person's right to be Christian, even though it's fake. People who push their beliefs onto others are really rude! Because even if people confront Christians with reasons to stop believing, they aren't going to stop believing anyway! Because people take offense to their opinions being challenged.


Shuyi thinks that speaking in 3rd person is kinda retarded...
I'm sorry...
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Well if JustineKo, Shuyi, Lala and everyone else does it, JustineKo, Shuyi, Lala and everyone else can be one big retarded happy family
Posted 4/8/12 , edited 4/8/12

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You have no fucking understanding of fucking Voodoo do you? You have no understanding of Fengshui either. Voodoo is not praying to dead spirits. If you want to lie, at least do research before you lie through your teeth. Let me explain Voodoo- rather, as I can't do that, let me explain her sister, Santaria. Santaria tells us that there is one God, he is the creator of Everything. But he is unreachable, and is manisfested in lesser 'gods', called Orishas, who connect to human affairs. Through the worship of these Orishas, you are worshipping the One God, and to seek aid from an Orisha is to seek aid from the One God, in the form of that Orisha. It is not the worship of the dead, it is none of that.


Just wanted to clarify something here...

communication with the dead is an intrinsic part of Voodoo, and Santeria, and in most of the African traditional religions I've ever seen. It's not quite 'praying,' exactly, but the dead are seen as being present in the lives of their descendants, and there are extensive methods of both communicating with them, AND requesting assistance from them.

For example -- in Santeria, derived mostly from the Yoruba tradition (more or less modern north-west Nigeria), there used to be a tradition called the Egungun (more on the 'used to be' part in a moment). This involved an annual ceremony where a trained supernatural specialist would wear an elaborate costume, made of reeds and strips of cloth (often stitched from pieces of clothing from the deceased). He would take part in a dance through town, and would interact with people as if he was a dead ancestor. Divination could be made, or advice asked regarding present or future matters.

In the new world, some of the Egungun tradition survives a little bit in Brazil, but it seems to have died out in Cuba and Puerto Rico -- or perhaps no active Egungun specialist was a Yoruba slave in the Carribean. Either way, Santeria integrated two primary (and several minor) traditions to meet the needs of those who wished to communicate with ancestors -- 18th and 19th century Spiritism and Spiritualism, and Palo Mayombe, derived from Congo-Angola traditions -- both of which involve possession or mediumship with the dead.

Also, there's something taught to everyone who goes beyond the merely curious phase of Santeria -- Awo. This is the use of 4 cowrie shells, or 4 coconut husks, to ask various yes/no/maybe questions specifically of the dead. Awo is available to anyone who asks to be taught, not just the Paleros and Santeros (who use far more complex divination and ritual systems that often require a couple of years of training just to be called a Santero).

Part of this interaction, whether it's the 'light' form that you see in the Santeria-Espiritismo traditions, or the more...shall we say, 'hardcore' aspects of Palo Mayombe, include not only talking with the dead, AND giving offerings to the dead, but also asking the dead for specific favors (i.e., requesting specific deeds, not just general blessings/good fortune). I dare you to find me one Santero household which does NOT leave out fresh water, coffee, cinnamon, and a cigar or cigarette every thursday morning, on a chipped white plate -- snacks for the ancestors.
In fact, dealing with the dead is so common, that I went to far more celebrations for the dead (all of which involved 'interactive' communication) than I ever went to Bembe for the Orisha.

I don't know that much about Haitian voodoo (other than what I've read in books), but I've seen plenty of Beninois and Togolese Lwa celebrations...the dead are always a part of every ceremony. Not always the main focus, but like Legba (Elegua), they always had their moment.

Ah a side note on the significance of the dead in the Afro-Carribean traditions -- in the actual mythology/storytime of Santeria, Chango, one of the primary gods (a rather Thor or Zeus-like figure) is referred to as having once been a real king, of a real city (Oyo). He is seen as having been killed, and having risen from the dead into a more divine status. The line between God/Orisha and deified ancestor is very fine in the African traditions.

EDIT: I might as well add, everything here is from personal experience, but a couple of decent introductory books on the topic include -- Santeria: Faith, Rites, (etc) by Migene Gonzalez-Wippler...Santeria: African Spirits in America by Joseph Murphy...Teachings of the Santeria Gods by Ocha'ni Lele.

It's worth noting that no book is really complete...furthermore, there is no 'one' santeria. That is, there's no Santeria pope or central church/doctrine that is a single core of the faith. Variations are as numerous as there are ile ('houses,' referring to a community focused generally around one senior santero priest) across the continent.
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Bravo! Pictures! I ever love to look at pretty things, even if they don't mean anything.
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I was Christian for most of my life (until fairly recently). There are simply too many gaps, and many of the core elements of Christianity are impossible to dispute, so it makes me suspicious. The more I learned, the bigger the gaps got. Christianity also seems very antiquated, and it appears that people pick and choose 'rules' to follow. Religions, in general, are dubious, at best.

Examples: The notion that you should not question what God does.
The notion that you can be justly punished for something that isn't your doing and that you are not aware of.
The notion that you must exercise faith for a belief system that hasn't been proven to be written by any divine being.
The notion that things might be right simply because 'God said so'
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I'm not entirely sure what the original poster was trying to get at.
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i_love_u_jesus wrote:

I'm not entirely sure what the original poster was trying to get at.


He was arguing that True Christianity is Catholicism.
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longfenglim wrote:


i_love_u_jesus wrote:

I'm not entirely sure what the original poster was trying to get at.


He was arguing that True Christianity is Catholicism.


But doesn't he say in one of these posts that he's Protestant? You'll have to forgive me, I'm a bit confused about what he's trying to say and this headache isn't helping.
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i_love_u_jesus wrote:


longfenglim wrote:


i_love_u_jesus wrote:

I'm not entirely sure what the original poster was trying to get at.


He was arguing that True Christianity is Catholicism.


But doesn't he say in one of these posts that he's Protestant? You'll have to forgive me, I'm a bit confused about what he's trying to say and this headache isn't helping.


I was confused at first too, but his position, apperantly, is that the only True Churches are those who follow the Apolostic succession, to this end, he commends the Roman Catholic Church, whose succession started with the very Prince of Apostles, St. Peter.
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exploring the many denominations of Christianity

Christian denomination: The Salvation Army



The Salvation Army


OUR FAITH

The Salvation Army is a Christian organisation and part of the universal Christian Church.

Its message and the lifestyle it advocates are based on the Bible's teaching. Its work is to make known the good news about Jesus Christ and to persuade people to become his followers.

Everything The Salvation Army does is rooted in the faith of its members. The confidence Salvationists have in a loving and caring God finds outward expression in their love for humanity and their practical response to human need.


We believe that the Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments were given by inspiration of God, and that they only constitute the Divine rule of Christian faith and practice.
We believe that there is only one God, who is infinitely perfect, the Creator, Preserver, and Governor of all things, and who is the only proper object of religious worship.
We believe that there are three persons in the Godhead-the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, undivided in essence and co-equal in power and glory.
We believe that in the person of Jesus Christ the Divine and human natures are united, so that He is truly and properly God and truly and properly man.
We believe that our first parents were created in a state of innocency, but by their disobedience they lost their purity and happiness, and that in consequence of their fall all men have become sinners, totally depraved, and as such are justly exposed to the wrath of God.
We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ has by His suffering and death made an atonement for the whole world so that whosoever will may be saved.
We believe that repentance towards God, faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, and regeneration by the Holy Spirit, are necessary to salvation.
We believe that we are justified by grace through faith in our Lord Jesus Christ and that he that believeth hath the witness in himself.
We believe that continuance in a state of salvation depends upon continued obedient faith in Christ.
We believe that it is the privilege of all believers to be wholly sanctified, and that their whole spirit and soul and body may be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
We believe in the immortality of the soul; in the resurrection of the body; in the general judgment at the end of the world; in the eternal happiness of the righteous; and in the endless punishment of the wicked.


http://www.salvationarmy.org/ihq/doctrine
Posted 5/27/12
1, 2, 3: what about Judaism before Christ's insane personal claim of being the son of God?
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I've been a Christian for 7 years, and I've been all over the place on what I believe. I've gone from extremely conservative beliefs to a thoroughly liberal interpretation of the Bible. I consider myself a theistic existentialist, but I'd like to see if you guys would consider me a Christian by considering my thoughts on a pretty central Christian question: who is saved?

It seems to me that it would be completely unjust of God to allow those who haven't had the opportunity to convert to be damned. If we think about how the intellectual question of whether or not God exists is an ongoing and unresolved debate, it's pretty understandable how some turn to atheism and other religions. Now, I believe that the Christian God of the bible is God. I believe that there is a trinity of the father, son, and holy spirit. I believe that Christ died for our sins, but I don't believe that salvation is reserved for the people who happened to get the intellectual question of whether or not God exists right. The accident of birth issue seems inescapable to me.

Our salvation is ultimately in our own hands, and it boils down to the intent behind our actions. There will be a judgment day, but I believe that mainstream Christians have the wrong picture of what that will look like. They mistakenly think that God is the one judging, but it is actually you that is deciding. We come face to face with the higher good as it actually is, and in that moment when we face it we are full like we’ve never been before. You are not something that can be captured in a moment but in a lifetime, a lifetime of intended actions.

Our actions have consequences, but those consequences are outside of our control. This is where Christ's sacrifice comes in- he pays the price for the consequences of our actions so that we are left with a choice. We seek the best consequences and strive for the higher good. When we strive for the higher good, we strive for what God is. This is not limited to Christians, and many people who call themselves Christians don’t strive after what God is. Our whole life we are constantly wrestling with this question, and the summation of your life is an answer to it. It is a very simple yes or no question. Will you or will you not embrace the higher good? If you don’t, you are allowed to fade. If you do, you will shine and glory in the presence of God.

It all comes down to you, you in your fullest or your foulest. What you are as a whole makes that decision.

The objective good exists, but it is distorted to our eyes. Consequently, we fail to actually live by it. Christ died to atone for the consequences of our actions. He took the burden of what is out of our control, and we are left with our intent. It's all about our choices.

Oh, and I'm aware of the lack of scriptural citation this is the product of my own philosophical reflection. If clarification is needed, I understand.
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