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Honestly, useful degrees are medicine, pharmacy, business, some engineering concentrations (with masters), economics (with masters), and a small handful of masters in the arts and sciences; the rest are nearly worthless on their own. These days, it's even difficult to find a job in education. If you are one of the poor souls in science or arts that can't get into medicine because you have poor grades, get a masters otherwise you'll have wasted at least 3 years of your life. I have a degree in Accounting, and I'm currently doing my MBA and CMA. It's something that I know I'm better than just about everyone else at, plus I know my field is in high demand - and it pays really, really well. I've never been a big supporter of going to University. If you can avoid going to University, do it. A lot of what you can do there, you can do at a community or technical college in a shorter amount of time, get training, and get paid more post graduation. Never let yourself get tricked into thinking that University is your only option after high school.

Just a side note: A philosophy is one of, if not the most useless degree on this planet. A lot of major Universities across the world do not offer masters programs in philosophy simply because there are no jobs in that field.

EDIT: Culinary degrees aren't bad either, but what you put into it reflects in your wages. The same goes for a lot of other degrees at technical colleges.


Great post +1. The thing about universities is basically the cost. Unless u can somehow obtain financial aid through student grants or scholarships, the cost of just a single semester @ a typical university equivalents to $2500-$3000 for undergraduates. That's just tuition, textbooks, parking fees, and school related stuff. Housing and food also gets added on later. The universities from the Ivy Leagues constitutes even more cost. Those who wants to get a masters in doctors or a Phd better prepare urself for a shit load of bills to pay soon. If you decide to try student loans, prepare for interest rates cause once u graduate, those companies will be mailing u those bills (+ interest ) till the whole thing is paid off.

The alternative would be to transfer from a community college and save big bucks (even save more from financial aid if appealed).

One thing about any major though is to get in contact through other companies related to ur field of study or through internship. Even if you don't get paid for it, the experience and references u earn will come in damn handy later in life.

I'm not sure about the culinary field as I've never touched upon it but I guess it would require alot of technical courses to prepare for the occupation?

I do enjoy cooking thou and I've learned quite a few dishes last summer
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ReaperEXE wrote:

Honestly, useful degrees are medicine, pharmacy, business, some engineering concentrations (with masters), economics (with masters), and a small handful of masters in the arts and sciences; the rest are nearly worthless on their own. These days, it's even difficult to find a job in education. If you are one of the poor souls in science or arts that can't get into medicine because you have poor grades, get a masters otherwise you'll have wasted at least 3 years of your life. I have a degree in Accounting, and I'm currently doing my MBA and CMA. It's something that I know I'm better than just about everyone else at, plus I know my field is in high demand - and it pays really, really well. I've never been a big supporter of going to University. If you can avoid going to University, do it. A lot of what you can do there, you can do at a community or technical college in a shorter amount of time, get training, and get paid more post graduation. Never let yourself get tricked into thinking that University is your only option after high school.

Just a side note: A philosophy is one of, if not the most useless degree on this planet. A lot of major Universities across the world do not offer masters programs in philosophy simply because there are no jobs in that field.

EDIT: Culinary degrees aren't bad either, but what you put into it reflects in your wages. The same goes for a lot of other degrees at technical colleges.


This is true but for some fields of work it's better to try to get into a college. Usually those that are harder to find a starting job in because you get to know more people with money when you get into college who may be able to help get that starting job. Getting a job is about 20% experience, 30% of a name you have made for yourself, and 50% people you know. However, if you can avoid spending the time and money on going to a university by all means do so.


What on earth are you talking about? Almost all technical colleges will not only find you (paid) training during your degree, they will find careers for you upon graduation! In University you need high marks to get into Co-op programs, and it's only better if you're in a field that has a(n extremely) high pay grade which requires a University degree. Those variables you gave, well they're just variables, which means that they're not only different for each situation, they're always changing. I believe that in economics and finance, making a name for yourself and knowing the right people is vital, but that's because you're in a field with low job security that has the potential to make or lose a lot of money. In my instance, neither experience, making a name, nor knowing people matter - I just need my (over)qualifications and I'll still make more than I'll ever need. If you knew anything at all, you'd know that the average post secondary salary from University degrees is lower than that of College degrees.
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Now here is where I'm at a crossroad on..... Im currently in my Junior Year in high school and thinking about my future so to speak... I want to Major in Computer Programing but not 100% sure if this is what I want to do. Their we're 4 different options on what to do.

#1. Computer Programing
#2. Graphic Design
#3. Game Design/Art
#4. Game Programing

Now I don't know which to choose because I don't know how this will come about for my future (example where to find a job with this type of field(s)). What would be the best plan? Now I chose Computer programming because top companies and many major medical fields do require computer Programing. (example: Hospitals,Schools,Large business companies,[wall street] ect.) but I'm not sure if this is the right choice but it seems like the best option.


There is no such thing as "Game Programming" major. You want to major in Computer Science. Computer Science is my major and it involves programming using C, C++, C#, Java, etc. and minor in Computer Engineering (hardware side) you will need 6 semesters of mathematics covering Calculus 1, 2, 3, Differential Equations, Linear Algebra, and 1 400 level class of your choosing.

#1. Computer Programming

This is Computer Science Major.

#2. Graphics Design

This is Computer Aided Design Major.

#3. Game Design / Art

This is just Computer Aided Design with a minor in Art. Game Design is a plain associates degree at a low level college such as Devry, etc.

#4. Game Programming

Again, this is Computer Science Major. There is no such degree as a "Game Programmer." You want to seek a Bachelor of Science in Computer Science & Computer Engineering.

Also, if you need help let me know I too am in Computer Science & Computer Engineering. If you need to know what classes you should take or need any further help I am here to help any potential programmer.
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I've never been to a technical college before but I think they are designed solely for the purpose of getting an occupation upon graduating. The skills u acquire from technical schools are mostly 2 years in length and provides employment preparation skills like office management and mentioned before, culinary arts.

I know a friend who attended a technical school, not sure if he has a job atm yet thou. We lost contact awhile ago
Posted 1/19/12

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#1. Computer Programing
#2. Graphic Design
#3. Game Design/Art
#4. Game Programing


Computer Programing... People say I made a mistake when I chose not to do computer science. I just preferred to do something I like. Job security is good and you don't 100% need to continue in your education with that.

You don't even need to make the grades that I am required to make. You can basically coast through life, as long as you pass.

Anyways, grade inflation makes most people's degrees worthless. It is kind of a joke when the averages in Organic Chemistry were a ~50% and a monster curve saves so many people that shouldn't be allowed to take Orgo 2 because they only passed with a curve and not because of understanding the fundamentals.

That is some cheap tuition... Even if that is the cost for instate...
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ampcloud9 wrote:

Now here is where I'm at a crossroad on..... Im currently in my Junior Year in high school and thinking about my future so to speak... I want to Major in Computer Programing but not 100% sure if this is what I want to do. Their we're 4 different options on what to do.

#1. Computer Programing
#2. Graphic Design
#3. Game Design/Art
#4. Game Programing

Now I don't know which to choose because I don't know how this will come about for my future (example where to find a job with this type of field(s)). What would be the best plan? Now I chose Computer programming because top companies and many major medical fields do require computer Programing. (example: Hospitals,Schools,Large business companies,[wall street] ect.) but I'm not sure if this is the right choice but it seems like the best option.


There is no such thing as "Game Programming" major. You want to major in Computer Science. Computer Science is my major and it involves programming using C, C++, C#, Java, etc. and minor in Computer Engineering (hardware side) you will need 6 semesters of mathematics covering Calculus 1, 2, 3, Differential Equations, Linear Algebra, and 1 400 level class of your choosing.

#1. Computer Programming

This is Computer Science Major.

#2. Graphics Design

This is Computer Aided Design Major.

#3. Game Design / Art

This is just Computer Aided Design with a minor in Art. Game Design is a plain associates degree at a low level college such as Devry, etc.

#4. Game Programming

Again, this is Computer Science Major. There is no such degree as a "Game Programmer." You want to seek a Bachelor of Science in Computer Science & Computer Engineering.

Also, if you need help let me know I too am in Computer Science & Computer Engineering. If you need to know what classes you should take or need any further help I am here to help any potential programmer.


Well thank you for the extra info.. So basically I would need to put my math skills to work and other stuff out of the way am I correct, now as to where I'm confused is #1 which classes do I choose and #2 what is C,C++, & C#?
Posted 1/19/12
That sucks..... Well I know Engineering is a good field
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ReaperEXE wrote:


Hellhunter22 wrote:


ReaperEXE wrote:

Honestly, useful degrees are medicine, pharmacy, business, some engineering concentrations (with masters), economics (with masters), and a small handful of masters in the arts and sciences; the rest are nearly worthless on their own. These days, it's even difficult to find a job in education. If you are one of the poor souls in science or arts that can't get into medicine because you have poor grades, get a masters otherwise you'll have wasted at least 3 years of your life. I have a degree in Accounting, and I'm currently doing my MBA and CMA. It's something that I know I'm better than just about everyone else at, plus I know my field is in high demand - and it pays really, really well. I've never been a big supporter of going to University. If you can avoid going to University, do it. A lot of what you can do there, you can do at a community or technical college in a shorter amount of time, get training, and get paid more post graduation. Never let yourself get tricked into thinking that University is your only option after high school.

Just a side note: A philosophy is one of, if not the most useless degree on this planet. A lot of major Universities across the world do not offer masters programs in philosophy simply because there are no jobs in that field.

EDIT: Culinary degrees aren't bad either, but what you put into it reflects in your wages. The same goes for a lot of other degrees at technical colleges.


This is true but for some fields of work it's better to try to get into a college. Usually those that are harder to find a starting job in because you get to know more people with money when you get into college who may be able to help get that starting job. Getting a job is about 20% experience, 30% of a name you have made for yourself, and 50% people you know. However, if you can avoid spending the time and money on going to a university by all means do so.


What on earth are you talking about? Almost all technical colleges will not only find you (paid) training during your degree, they will find careers for you upon graduation! In University you need high marks to get into Co-op programs, and it's only better if you're in a field that has a(n extremely) high pay grade which requires a University degree. Those variables you gave, well they're just variables, which means that they're not only different for each situation, they're always changing. I believe that in economics and finance, making a name for yourself and knowing the right people is vital, but that's because you're in a field with low job security that has the potential to make or lose a lot of money. In my instance, neither experience, making a name, nor knowing people matter - I just need my (over)qualifications and I'll still make more than I'll ever need. If you knew anything at all, you'd know that the average post secondary salary from University degrees is lower than that of College degrees.


Wasn't talking about your case. I was talking about getting a job and colleges/universities in some fields of work. You should find the best approach to help your chances in your line of work.btw stop being so uptight you are on a CR form.
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ampcloud9 wrote:

#1. Computer Programing
#2. Graphic Design
#3. Game Design/Art
#4. Game Programing


Computer Programing... People say I made a mistake when I chose not to do computer science. I just preferred to do something I like. Job security is good and you don't 100% need to continue in your education with that.

You don't even need to make the grades that I am required to make. You can basically coast through life, as long as you pass.

Anyways, grade inflation makes most people's degrees worthless. It is kind of a joke when the averages in Organic Chemistry were a ~50% and a monster curve saves so many people that shouldn't be allowed to take Orgo 2 because they only passed with a curve and not because of understanding the fundamentals.

That is some cheap tuition... Even if that is the cost for instate...


Now don't get me wrong doing what you love is cool, Computers are pretty much my life. I can disassemble a computer and put it back together from scratch. I've even fixed sonogram machines without even a lick of knowledge on how to use one (hint* my mother owned her own medical facility for radiology so working with sonogram machines is her job) Computer programming coughs my attention because it deals with computer is some way shape or form and I want to learn on it.
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ampcloud9 wrote:


Khaltazar wrote:


ampcloud9 wrote:

Now here is where I'm at a crossroad on..... Im currently in my Junior Year in high school and thinking about my future so to speak... I want to Major in Computer Programing but not 100% sure if this is what I want to do. Their we're 4 different options on what to do.

#1. Computer Programing
#2. Graphic Design
#3. Game Design/Art
#4. Game Programing

Now I don't know which to choose because I don't know how this will come about for my future (example where to find a job with this type of field(s)). What would be the best plan? Now I chose Computer programming because top companies and many major medical fields do require computer Programing. (example: Hospitals,Schools,Large business companies,[wall street] ect.) but I'm not sure if this is the right choice but it seems like the best option.


There is no such thing as "Game Programming" major. You want to major in Computer Science. Computer Science is my major and it involves programming using C, C++, C#, Java, etc. and minor in Computer Engineering (hardware side) you will need 6 semesters of mathematics covering Calculus 1, 2, 3, Differential Equations, Linear Algebra, and 1 400 level class of your choosing.

#1. Computer Programming

This is Computer Science Major.

#2. Graphics Design

This is Computer Aided Design Major.

#3. Game Design / Art

This is just Computer Aided Design with a minor in Art. Game Design is a plain associates degree at a low level college such as Devry, etc.

#4. Game Programming

Again, this is Computer Science Major. There is no such degree as a "Game Programmer." You want to seek a Bachelor of Science in Computer Science & Computer Engineering.

Also, if you need help let me know I too am in Computer Science & Computer Engineering. If you need to know what classes you should take or need any further help I am here to help any potential programmer.


Well thank you for the extra info.. So basically I would need to put my math skills to work and other stuff out of the way am I correct, now as to where I'm confused is #1 which classes do I choose and #2 what is C,C++, & C#?


C, C++, C#, Java are all computer programming languages.

For example:

C & C++ Logic:

if (condition){execute:code}

Something simple is:

int x = 5;
int y = 4;
int z = 0;

z = x + y;

cout << z << endl;

Etc.

Java is very similar. I recommend you purchasing the following books to prepare you for college.

Your first class CECS 1XX (Computer Engineering / Computer Science) as a freshman you will be thrown into programming on day 1. By the end of the week you will be expected to know how to make a calculator program from C / C++. (Some colleges start with Java) So make sure to read up before hand. Yes, take Calculus as a Senior in HS TRUST ME! You will be thrown into Calculus 1 and the first 2 weeks are "review" but if you didn't take Calculus in HS it is more like extremely hard material that professors expect you to know and master.

C: http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Absolute-Beginner-Michael-Vine/dp/1931841527

&

C++: http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Absolute-Beginner-Mark-Lee/dp/1598638750

&

Java: http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Absolute-Beginner-Joseph-Russell/dp/0761535225
Posted 1/19/12
I have two relatives who went computer science.

Computer Science sucks. If your lucky, you can get an extremely good job but for the most part its:
If you become one of the core people who actually programed the database for a major company like Mercury, you will never be laid off. (Unfortunately these databases have long ago already been made).
However, its extremely hard for other people to understand your code, and so its nearly impossible to replace one of the core programmers. And also, if you fire one of the core programmers, he might just leave an unpleasant surprise in the code of your database, that might very well bankrupt your entire company.


According to the one that worked as a programmer at Mercury
Hours in front of VERY long walls of text, trying to debug something. And everything you fix one problem, it causes a chain reaction that breaks 5 more things. Lots of unpaid overtime. Over saturation of potential employees (namely indians) and not enough jobs. Pay isn't very good, but lucky to have the job.

According to other one who is a senior programmer:
Constantly have to study. When your out of college your not done, you keep having to learn new languages / freshen up / study new things in order to keep up and not get laid off.
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Khaltazar wrote:


ampcloud9 wrote:


Khaltazar wrote:


ampcloud9 wrote:

Now here is where I'm at a crossroad on..... Im currently in my Junior Year in high school and thinking about my future so to speak... I want to Major in Computer Programing but not 100% sure if this is what I want to do. Their we're 4 different options on what to do.

#1. Computer Programing
#2. Graphic Design
#3. Game Design/Art
#4. Game Programing

Now I don't know which to choose because I don't know how this will come about for my future (example where to find a job with this type of field(s)). What would be the best plan? Now I chose Computer programming because top companies and many major medical fields do require computer Programing. (example: Hospitals,Schools,Large business companies,[wall street] ect.) but I'm not sure if this is the right choice but it seems like the best option.


There is no such thing as "Game Programming" major. You want to major in Computer Science. Computer Science is my major and it involves programming using C, C++, C#, Java, etc. and minor in Computer Engineering (hardware side) you will need 6 semesters of mathematics covering Calculus 1, 2, 3, Differential Equations, Linear Algebra, and 1 400 level class of your choosing.

#1. Computer Programming

This is Computer Science Major.

#2. Graphics Design

This is Computer Aided Design Major.

#3. Game Design / Art

This is just Computer Aided Design with a minor in Art. Game Design is a plain associates degree at a low level college such as Devry, etc.

#4. Game Programming

Again, this is Computer Science Major. There is no such degree as a "Game Programmer." You want to seek a Bachelor of Science in Computer Science & Computer Engineering.

Also, if you need help let me know I too am in Computer Science & Computer Engineering. If you need to know what classes you should take or need any further help I am here to help any potential programmer.


Well thank you for the extra info.. So basically I would need to put my math skills to work and other stuff out of the way am I correct, now as to where I'm confused is #1 which classes do I choose and #2 what is C,C++, & C#?


C, C++, C#, Java are all computer programming languages.

For example:

C & C++ Logic:

if (condition){execute:code}

Something simple is:

int x = 5;
int y = 4;
int z = 0;

z = x + y;

cout << z << endl;

Etc.

Java is very similar. I recommend you purchasing the following books to prepare you for college.

Your first class CECS 1XX (Computer Engineering / Computer Science) as a freshman you will be thrown into programming on day 1. By the end of the week you will be expected to know how to make a calculator program from C / C++. (Some colleges start with Java) So make sure to read up before hand. Yes, take Calculus as a Senior in HS TRUST ME! You will be thrown into Calculus 1 and the first 2 weeks are "review" but if you didn't take Calculus in HS it is more like extremely hard material that professors expect you to know and master.

C: http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Absolute-Beginner-Michael-Vine/dp/1931841527

&

C++: http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Absolute-Beginner-Mark-Lee/dp/1598638750

&

Java: http://www.amazon.com/Programming-Absolute-Beginner-Jose-Russell/dp/0761535225


Ok lol that calculation made no Sense at first (I'm still in my Jr year learning trigonomitry)its really hard to believe to use math for codes but I believe I'll catch on as soon as I start reading on it. And thanks for the tips on these it helps a lot since no one in my school plans on computer
programming. Helps Alot Thanks !!
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Communications, religious studies, philosophy, economics is pretty much useless in 95% of the cases, art history, film studies. lots of them. U of A has one called the study of animal history.. well thats a set of classes but I'm sure they go to some equally useless major
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For those of you who are interested about the outlook of your career choices, I suggest using the United States Department of Labor's Occupational Outlook Handbook for more information (for those who reside in the US, of course). It breaks down each occupation from the nature of work, qualifications, employment, job outlook, projections, and earnings. It's pretty handy and will help you consider your options.

Vist their website here:

http://www.bls.gov/oco/

As for me, I'm looking at a number of careers such as:

Chiropractor
Physical Therapist
Registered Nurse
Psychologist
Therapist
Social Worker

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Khaltazar wrote:


ampcloud9 wrote:

Now here is where I'm at a crossroad on..... Im currently in my Junior Year in high school and thinking about my future so to speak... I want to Major in Computer Programing but not 100% sure if this is what I want to do. Their we're 4 different options on what to do.

#1. Computer Programing
#2. Graphic Design
#3. Game Design/Art
#4. Game Programing

Now I don't know which to choose because I don't know how this will come about for my future (example where to find a job with this type of field(s)). What would be the best plan? Now I chose Computer programming because top companies and many major medical fields do require computer Programing. (example: Hospitals,Schools,Large business companies,[wall street] ect.) but I'm not sure if this is the right choice but it seems like the best option.


There is no such thing as "Game Programming" major. You want to major in Computer Science. Computer Science is my major and it involves programming using C, C++, C#, Java, etc. and minor in Computer Engineering (hardware side) you will need 6 semesters of mathematics covering Calculus 1, 2, 3, Differential Equations, Linear Algebra, and 1 400 level class of your choosing.

#1. Computer Programming

This is Computer Science Major.

#2. Graphics Design

This is Computer Aided Design Major.

#3. Game Design / Art

This is just Computer Aided Design with a minor in Art. Game Design is a plain associates degree at a low level college such as Devry, etc.

#4. Game Programming

Again, this is Computer Science Major. There is no such degree as a "Game Programmer." You want to seek a Bachelor of Science in Computer Science & Computer Engineering.

Also, if you need help let me know I too am in Computer Science & Computer Engineering. If you need to know what classes you should take or need any further help I am here to help any potential programmer.


Absolute lie!!!!! I am a Game and Simulation Programming Major at DeVry Phoenix. Before people start with the reputation of the school, DeVry has an amazing reputation among employers. Yes, the Family Guy episode is right, it is incredibly easy to get in. But, a lot of people fail out because of how difficult it really is. Our starting class consisted of about 100 or so, we're now at 20 and that's pretty much the largest graduating class they've turned out for the degree. Usually only about 5 actually make it. Anyways, it IS a degree and a damn good one. I'm actually going to GDC this year along with another member of my Mid-Term game project group as well as other groups from my campus are going. We're going to be displaying our games to convention goers with the intent of displaying our skills and landing interviews. The Computer Information Sciences degree at our school lasts about 2 and a half years to complete, from my observations, and the GSP degree is supposed to last a good year longer. We finish so much faster than other degrees because we pretty much work nonstop from the day we get in until the day we graduate. Aside from national holidays we only get about two weeks of break during Christmas for the entire year. Then it's back to work. If you've got the stomach for it and if you hate your sleep, a game programming degree is a great way to go. Seriously, for the last week, I've slept 2-4 hours daily and then had to continue work. Anyways, if you want more information on what I've been learning, the milestones of the degree, etc. feel free to shoot me a PM.
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