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Worst than SOPA/PIPA, NDAA
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Posted 1/22/12
Is it just me or are there many people clueless about this thing? which is practically twice as bad as SOPA and PIPA combined.

President Obama Signed the National Defense Authorization Act, meaning it's now a law. So basically this states if the president thinks you are a terrorist, you can be arrested, put you in prison, tortured, and you can't do anything about it.

No lawyer, no evidence, nothing. The president just needs say, "I think you're a terrorist"

Feels like McCarthyism, and I wasn't even born at the time.
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Videos for the lazy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f8tHLkEQAw&feature=plcp&context=C385f2a7UDOEgsToPDskKw6oDuF4464lN-k8njZ0dR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gstBozWfhQ&list=UU1yBKRuGpC1tSM73A0ZjYjQ&feature=plcp

...The National Defense Authorization Act greatly expands the power and scope of the federal government to fight the War on Terror, including codifying into law the indefinite detention of terrorism suspects without trial. Under the new law the US military has the power to carry out domestic anti-terrorism operations on US soil.

“The fact that I support this bill as a whole does not mean I agree with everything in it,” the president said in a statement. “I have signed this bill despite having serious reservations with certain provisions that regulate the detention, interrogation and prosecution of suspected terrorists.”

Worse, the NDAA authorizes the military to detain even US citizens under the broad new anti-terrorism provisions provided in the bill, once again without trial.

There is some controversy on this point, in part because the law as written is entirely too vague. But whether or not the law will be used to indefinitely detain US citizens domestically, it is written to allow the detention of US citizens abroad as well as foreigners without trial.

“Obama’s signing statement seems to suggest he already believe he has the authority to indefinitely detain Americans—he just never intends to use it,” Adam Serwer writes at Mother Jones. “Left unsaid, perhaps deliberately, is the distinction that has dominated the debate over the defense bill: the difference between detaining an American captured domestically or abroad. This is why ACLU Director Anthony Romero released a statement shortly after Obama’s arguing the authority in the defense bill could “be used by this and future presidents to militarily detain people captured far from any battlefield.” ....

Complete article:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/01/02/president-obama-signed-the-national-defense-authorization-act-now-what/

If you want more information, here's another video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdxXhn3We7U
Posted 1/22/12
It does sound bad and all, but I don't see how it's worse than SOPA or PIPA.
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so if he just picks a random guy and says, "you'r a terrorist" that and this will happen to him?
Posted 1/22/12
And it's only detaining right? Surely once you have been detained you have a right to an attorney etc.
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Posted 1/22/12 , edited 1/22/12

haikinka wrote:

It does sound bad and all, but I don't see how it's worse than SOPA or PIPA.
That's because you rather be tortured than have no free streaming anime. In prison they have no internet so wake up.

And it's only detaining right? Surely once you have been detained you have a right to an attorney etc.

*face palm* Your brain must be as weak as your eyes, can you not read? I even put a video there for people like you
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Posted 1/22/12
eh who cares.
as long as i have my internetz.
Posted 1/22/12 , edited 1/22/12
*Sigh* How awful. Well I'm not going to focus on it right now. I'll worry when this becomes a huge epidemic.
Posted 1/22/12

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*face palm* Your brain must be as weak as your eyes, can you not read? I even put a video there for people like you


I sowwy I is too lazy to watch video which doesn't rly affect my taht much.
Posted 1/22/12
Democracy is such a hilarious thing. You get to choose the leaders yet every thing they do go against the population's will.
Posted 1/22/12 , edited 1/22/12
lol so true america still got lose its virginerty
the internet all ways live and be fine just if the country that trays puts rules on it be destride by siber terrorist be fuck all left the country in the way of internet plus loot secret hidden files be out shit
Posted 1/22/12

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lol so true america still got lose its virginerty
the internet all ways live and be fine just if the country that trays puts rules on it be destride by siber terrorist be fuck all left the country in the way of internet plus loot secret hidden files be out shit


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Posted 1/22/12 , edited 1/22/12
Things like this, SOPA, PIPA, what makes the law dangerous is that one constantly hears terms like "vague" and "general", which leaves massive room for police agencies, prosecutors and courts to 'interpret' it in almost any way they want. This is the real thing people should be worried over.
Posted 1/22/12 , edited 1/22/12
the National Defense Authorization act is a spending bill for the active military. The bill itself disappears when our military stands down and there are no more wars. The legality of the bill is that it denotes money towards the military in order to pay the personnel their combat and hazard pay.

The problem is that just like every other bill pork is added onto the bills and that's where political bullying happens. The NDAA was a perfect bill to add the two 'detainment' clauses because no Senator or Representative would vote no against the bill. If a Republican house decided that the Title X subsection D was far beyond the scope of both military doctrine and US civil law it wouldn't take long for the media to fire back at these people, the same goes with the Democrats from the right side.

The problem is, can the US President use 'wartime powers' without declaring a real war. The precedent has been set by Harry Truman (D) at the start of the cold war and continued up to Regan (R) when Soviet Union collapsed. A gross expansion of the Executive branch is what America is feeling, going beyond the scope of the original view of the Constitution and bullying the other checks and balances on the way. It can be said that the Afghanistan & Iraq are what historians (like myself) call a pure police action. That fit within the same vestige of the Vietnam war and to some extent the Korean War. The US has not declared war since World War II. What US citizens are seeing now is nothing more then Progressiveness at its Zenith (I am not labeling a political side because both Republicans and Democrats have shades of Progressive thought, the real betrayers are those who are in the Republican party and continue to call themselves republican. If you stick to the constitution then your called a Constitutional Republican or a Libertarian)

Of course the Bush and to the current Obama administration keep the lock step that the US is still at war with the bogyman (even though Seal Team Six blew the back of Osama's head out) the only way the US population can have a way out of these abuses of wartime powers is to vote someone into the White House that believes in the restraints of the Constitution.


Remember all progressives think that government can do no wrong, NDAA, Patriot Act and every law passed in the guise of 'safety' or 'aid' are nothing more then control tools for the population. It is to make the population dependent upon the government they need, and to make sure that those who continue to give the 'goodies' stay in power. If you want real reform, start yelling that Medicade, Welfare, Obamacare, NDAA, Patriot act are either flat out repealed or reformed to the point that states are the ones that handle the problem. As well to end the police action in Afghanistan and enforce & reform immigration law.
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Posted 1/22/12
What's sad is that 'bama doesn't consider the people overseas as "terrorists" Only the home grown red-blooded Americans can be terrorists.
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Posted 1/22/12
It's the cold war all over again.... -headdesk-
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