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do you think a human's life is a commodity to your country in war and in general
Posted 2/2/12

haikinka wrote:


NeOnCoOl wrote:

which just stuped


Oh, the irony!


Call the Irony Man.
Posted 2/2/12

haikinka wrote:


Dave1004 wrote:
I don't believe in "Serving my country", and I don't view "War veterans" as heroes. I view them as murderers. I feel no pity, no remorse when one of the so-called "Soldiers" fall in battle. I do, however, feel bad for those people who are forced to pick up a gun.


I sorta know where you're coming from, but that's a bit harsh isn't it? Some people go to war to try and protect their family country etc. It's not like it's always a war for oil and other selfish things.


As I said after that quoted paragraph, I feel bad for those forced into service, but I feel no remorse for those who decide to murder people. I view all people as equal, none are better or worse than others. Just because person A is on Team Red's side, doesn't mean that he's better than person B on Team Blue's side. They both may have family, friends, children, or anything else. They decide to risk their lives to pick up a firearm, then that's their decision. I wouldn't view them as any different, nor would I insult them on their choice, but I wouldn't view them as a "Hero."

I read a story recently about a man who took his helicopter into a heavy danger zone, thirteen times, and evacuated all the wounded soldiers there. He almost died due to it. That is, in my eyes, a hero. Somebody who tries to save lives, instead of murdering people. Sorry if I seem conceited, but that's how I truly view things.

Posted 2/2/12 , edited 2/2/12

haikinka wrote:


NeOnCoOl wrote:

which just stuped


Oh, the irony!


yay clapping

i just see the government's as dick heads and the war just wast of time life and cash and resorses would never go to war only time ill fight is in reverlution i see no other miens to fight un less its that


the government's can die they do fuck all just steal cash from people and there all blood feisty killers to there own people
Posted 2/2/12

Dave1004 wrote:


As I said after that quoted paragraph, I feel bad for those forced into service, but I feel no remorse for those who decide to murder people. I view all people as equal, none are better or worse than others. Just because person A is on Team Red's side, doesn't mean that he's better than person B on Team Blue's side. They both may have family, friends, children, or anything else. They decide to risk their lives to pick up a firearm, then that's their decision. I wouldn't view them as any different, nor would I insult them on their choice, but I wouldn't view them as a "Hero."

I read a story recently about a man who took his helicopter into a heavy danger zone, thirteen times, and evacuated all the wounded soldiers there. He almost died due to it. That is, in my eyes, a hero. Somebody who tries to save lives, instead of murdering people. Sorry if I seem conceited, but that's how I truly view things.



Don't get me wrong, I sort of agree with you. But what about the people from Team Blue are threatening to come in invade and kill/enslave/rape all of Team Red's family/country? Surely the people in Team Red have a right to try and stop team blue from doing such a thing, even if it does mean taking up arms.
Posted 2/2/12 , edited 2/2/12

haikinka wrote:


Dave1004 wrote:


As I said after that quoted paragraph, I feel bad for those forced into service, but I feel no remorse for those who decide to murder people. I view all people as equal, none are better or worse than others. Just because person A is on Team Red's side, doesn't mean that he's better than person B on Team Blue's side. They both may have family, friends, children, or anything else. They decide to risk their lives to pick up a firearm, then that's their decision. I wouldn't view them as any different, nor would I insult them on their choice, but I wouldn't view them as a "Hero."

I read a story recently about a man who took his helicopter into a heavy danger zone, thirteen times, and evacuated all the wounded soldiers there. He almost died due to it. That is, in my eyes, a hero. Somebody who tries to save lives, instead of murdering people. Sorry if I seem conceited, but that's how I truly view things.



Don't get me wrong, I sort of agree with you. But what about the people from Team Blue are threatening to come in invade and kill/enslave/rape all of Team Red's family/country? Surely the people in Team Red have a right to try and stop team blue from doing such a thing, even if it does mean taking up arms.


i would step in there and say fight but me i whald kill every last one so it never happen againe
Posted 2/2/12

NeOnCoOl wrote:


i would step in there and say fight but me i whald kill every last one so it never happen againe


*attempt to. You would definitely die first.
Posted 2/2/12
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true but say u had loot people on your side would u kill the hole team so would not happen again
Posted 2/2/12

haikinka wrote:


Dave1004 wrote:


As I said after that quoted paragraph, I feel bad for those forced into service, but I feel no remorse for those who decide to murder people. I view all people as equal, none are better or worse than others. Just because person A is on Team Red's side, doesn't mean that he's better than person B on Team Blue's side. They both may have family, friends, children, or anything else. They decide to risk their lives to pick up a firearm, then that's their decision. I wouldn't view them as any different, nor would I insult them on their choice, but I wouldn't view them as a "Hero."

I read a story recently about a man who took his helicopter into a heavy danger zone, thirteen times, and evacuated all the wounded soldiers there. He almost died due to it. That is, in my eyes, a hero. Somebody who tries to save lives, instead of murdering people. Sorry if I seem conceited, but that's how I truly view things.



Don't get me wrong, I sort of agree with you. But what about the people from Team Blue are threatening to come in invade and kill/enslave/rape all of Team Red's family/country? Surely the people in Team Red have a right to try and stop team blue from doing such a thing, even if it does mean taking up arms.


Sure, if you really want. I never said that anybody didn't have a right to do what they want. I just don't view anybody who murders someone a good guy. Even if they kill someone to save someone, they are still a murderer in my eyes.

Look at how America is doing this. They want oil, so they turned to the middle east, and started massacring people there. Just like that recent news story, where a group of soldiers "Avenge" one of their fallen comrades by going on a rampage, resulting in about 20 civilian deaths, at least 10 which were woman, and a child. Do I view America evil because they kill others for gain? No. I do not. This is life, and in life, we must make decisions. It's our choice however, to act on those decisions. I would never raise a weapon to another person, even if they meant to strike me down. I would rather die than cause harm to another, even if they are a sick, vile twisted and perverse person.
Posted 2/2/12



you have very good point there have to say

and wow never herd about USA doing that that solders fucking nob cause tbh is all the peoples family did what he did well you would have more than mass killing going on
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Posted 2/2/12 , edited 2/2/12

PepperKillsPepsi wrote:

"Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace"
- John Lennon


That basically sums up what I think.


i love lennon and all, but its all a mere fantasy. i believe that there are no true peace, only ones we work for. your only peace is your family... anyways even with country, you'd be ruled by society, one that forms without countries. in the end, we live and die for our family if not ourselves. a peace without war would a hell where you can't fight at all.

"madara's plan in naruto is to create 'peace' and thats his plan."

even to say that, i don't believe in fighting for ones country

"the things i have fought for haven't changes" - wrong wording of gintoki's line.

if i were to fight a war, it would be for my friends and family. i wouldn't be so selfish as to leave my them behind.

realistically i'm to much of a wuss to do anything such as volunteer. i'm only striving to survive for myself. family and friends probably just a tool to keep myself from performing actions such as suicide, thoughtless murder, and or rape. basically to keep my self morally in check.

but to finally answer the question, no i don't think that humans are for war. we strive for ourself and that leads to war.
Posted 2/2/12
Barely, I follow civil disobedience at most parts.
Posted 2/2/12 , edited 2/2/12
Humans are commodities why do you think we have an HR department.
Posted 2/2/12 , edited 2/2/12

PepperKillsPepsi wrote:

"Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace"
- John Lennon


That basically sums up what I think.


Powerful words.
Posted 2/3/12
Personally? My ideals lead me to hope that the human life is never treated as a commodity.

In actual observation? Sadly, absolutely yes, except maybe in a few nations that eschew external conflicts, like Switzerland or...um...who else eschews external conflict? Bhutan? The kingdom of Mustang? Tuvalu?

All the rest of them, the nations that maintain any sort of military and contemplates external conflicts, all treat individual lives as resources to be used as leverage. All models of military conflict include phrases such as 'acceptable losses.'

They aren't talking about replacing axles on old trucks.



Posted 2/3/12
Noooo, they can't do that to me.
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