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Quitting School
Posted 2/3/12 , edited 2/7/12
Against Schooling by John Taylor Gatto

How public education cripples our kids, and why



Source: http://www.wesjones.com/gatto1.htm

I myself have given up on school and have pursued on educating myself by homeschooling/unschooling. Being a straight-A student, many were shocked that someone like me would turn my back on traditional high schools.A lot of factors made me change my outlook on how education is supposed to be.

EDIT: What I'm referring to school here is "high school," not necessarily university. I may be home schooled for high school but I still plan on going to a 4-year university.

To those interested in learning more, I recommend reading this book: http://www.amazon.com/Teenage-Liberation-Handbook-School-Education/dp/0962959170 & also books by John Taylor Gatto.

So, what are your opinions regarding this?

Would you really quit school?
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Nope never. This is my last year.
Posted 2/3/12
Gah, too long. Some one actually read it and tell me the general jist of it.
Anyway, even if I had the choice to quit school, I wouldn't because school is fun.
Posted 2/3/12

haikinka wrote:

Gah, too long. Some one actually read it and tell me the general jist of it.
Anyway, even if I had the choice to quit school, I wouldn't because school is fun.



... we must wake up to what our schools really are: laboratories of experimentation on young minds, drill centers for the habits and attitudes that corporate society demands. Mandatory education serves children only incidentally; its real purpose is to turn them into servants.


Posted 2/3/12
I left high school in the middle of my junior year. Immediately at age 16 I went on to community college, transferred to a very well known and well-regarded university, got my bachelors and eventually a masters. I still don't have a high school diploma
Posted 2/3/12
Some public schools should really stop wasting student's lives *coughs my high school*... In college I realize that all my fucking peers have taken all these course that prepared them for their majors while I had to learn them from scratch... They had taken Robotics, CAD, and all the other junk while I'm stuck with is a under-funded electronic course (I call it wood shop)... Man I could never stop ranting about my crap High School
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I enjoyed reading that. I didn't get through it all, as I couldn't resist my urge to reply to you. But this researched and well written piece has substantiated my own thoughts on the education system to which I was subjected to.

I ALMOST dropped out of High school, I didn't conform to the testing, I didn't do the homework, I did what I wanted to do. And the repercussions for such behaviour was dire. Attempts at segregating me due to my apparent "learning disability" were many and the impact on my social life was quite severe.

Poor grades were a mark of shame, and it certainly did reflect on the kind of person you were SUPPOSED to be. It removed you from the possibility of making friends in higher tiered social structures. The people you could associate with usually end up in the same crummy position as you would. You can't even excel at physical sports without maintaining a specific grade minimum in all subjects.

It was very apparent that school was not attempting to make me the best I could be, But make me the best they wanted me to be. The entire social structure of the country is synonymous to schooling as well, and purposefully so. Corporations need to control you and in order to do that, You are regimented and pushed through the social system known as school, and then afterwards you are filtered based on your performance into your career. The failures of these system's are even part of the public's entertainment, We get to point and laugh at our cultures failures on TV and the internet. We are born and raised into this behaviour. Unfortunately the damage is done, to myself and all of those around us. I didn't quit school, but I certainly tried.

--Edit:

I would also like to add that this also made me feel that subjects like this are a major reason for the governments (and corporate) repeated attempts at censoring and controlling the internet. The internet, as detestable as it is, promotes not only free thinking but social bonding much further outside of the boundaries initially set up for us by the education system. This social "blobbing" (best term I can come up with) has begun to form powerful movements, that are not only virtually uncontrollable but largely unidentified(such as web-based attacks on government websites from anonymous etc.). However with this social blobbing realizing itself now is also quite chaotic as it is formulated heavily on the foundations of what we have been taught to value, aka: the current social system from school to work.
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agrees and disagree. i didn't read it. but we are humans and made the same way. if we all go through the same thing, we are reformed into a particular way.

the part i disagree is that, its all on school. if schooling disappears there would be another form of reform. and honestly if your parents teaches you you will grow up differently.

there is always a good and bad to everything.

i already passed highschool. so i am with social reform. but my mentality is pretty different to everybody else. i could quit college if i really wanted to, but i grew up with a don't give up attitude.

so in the end its social reform. its nothing the government plots. honestly though, years ago if i heards someone like you who read a book and quitted school i could only think that you are week and bend easily. but ironically your being reformed by a book and not a school. anywho yea, the government wants you to grow up to learn to respect the government. but then when you take a goverment class you learn to test its power.

but yea, i wouldn't quit school. i want to go back and teach. i wanna try and open up paths for students.
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I dropped out of HS at 11th grade.
I was also a straight A student, and what Ive come to learn thought these years is that; No matter how smart you are, corporates will always ask you for that piece of paper that "says" you are capable of doing a job.

Every day I meet people who flashes their diploma in their living room, but still ask me for help when it comes to actually getting a job done.
My manager is one of them.

Why is he my manager and not me?. Simple, he has that piece of paper which has no real meaning to me.

Advice: Stay in school/college.

Currently I'm going to college to get that piece of paper myself. But since I started college, I have not learn a single thing that I didn't know already.
Posted 2/3/12
So much to read, but I agree with the man so far. For my answer to the question, if I was still in school not really. I wanted to, but I'd face dire consequences if I did.
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Didn't read it. But I would not quit school since It would be harder to get Jobs.
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School --> college --> degree
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Posted 2/3/12

chiaki_lover21 wrote:

Didn't read it. But I would not quit school since It would be harder to get Jobs.


Bingo.

Unless you get a college degree after dropping out you wont get a job.
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killar wrote:

Unless you get a college degree after dropping out you wont get a job.

Hmm, true in most part but I think those who go to technical schools will still get a job. Other than that, would have to enlist into a military for an occupation. So in other words, college degree is a must have for most jobs. I honestly can't think of any occupation that doesn't require a college degree right now that pays decent.
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I would love to quit school because to be honest I hate everything about it, and half of the subjects I spend a day to a week in before realizing that I'd rather not give a shit. I've constantly rebelled against the system itself and because of this have ended up suspended, both out of and in school, constantly throughout the years. Sadly without a high school diploma the odds of getting a job in the modern world is pretty much impossible. I'm already having a form of structured home schooling over the internet and other than a welding class I'm basically free of the system now. Schools, and especially high school, is basically trying to fast track every one of their students into college, which isn't a terrible thing, however with the rising of needed credits and classes choking out electives this tends to prevent students from exploring everything they could. While this is going on shop classes and other electives of that nature tend to be under funded and seem to be more "experimental" in nature rather than full on courses. (Just the feeling I've gotten)
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