Reading Manga online discussion
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So this is a multi discussion thread. First part is more of a ethical/

Do you think that if you read a series online that isn't available by english publishers is legal or ethica?
How about if you physically purchased a different language of the book and then read or downloaded the translations online

2nd ) how do you currently view online reading of manga? With Viz, Yenpress, and Jmanga slowly inching the way into digital media of manga how do you feel they are doing? Do you like the fact you have to view it in a flash program ? do you wish you could download it for a ereader or tablet (that isn't the ipad). How do you feel about only keeping SJ or Yenpress for a limited amount of time ( SJ lets you keep a issue for 4 weeks for a rental, and 1 year if your a subscriber ) (Yenpress lets you keep an issue for 2 months ).


Discuss below these questions and anything else relating tor reading manga online
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1. Whats the point of buying a manga in another language if you cant read that language? That's a waste of money.
2. I currently use 4 manga apps. 3 on my itouch(both Manga Rocks and Manga Reader) and Pocket Manga on my phone)Putting manga into a flash form would make it a lot harder to access,cause I read manga on my phone and itouch which don't have flash players so id totally hate that. Yeah if i want to keep a manga chapter I'd rather unlock the chapter through Manga Rock and keep it for as long as i have the app
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It's really hard to buy Japanese manga online... I've looked but it's either extremely expensive or just not available to ship to the U.S...

I use MangaReader and I used to download raw scans online but with the whole file sharing thing, I'm not able to do that anymore... -_-

Many manga fans exist around the world because of online scans/translations. Although it technically isn't "legal" I feel like no one would benefit from no manga on the internet. If I read a series online and I like it enough, I will go to a Book Off and buy the series, merchandise, etc.
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TheRealEscargotpudding wrote:
It's really hard to buy Japanese manga online... I've looked but it's either extremely expensive or just not available to ship to the U.S...

google around and see if there's a Japanese mall local to your area. if they have a bookstore, the bookstore will probably carry manga.
not that i'm going to guarantee there actually -is- one nearby, but it's worth a shot, yea?

as for me, i prefer to download scanslations, and read on my own system. so many damn ads and banners and sidebars, and all that crap... sure i understand give and take... but i'm not going to give up 75% of -my- screen space to read things on your site.

but if the manga has been imported and is in current/recent publication, you really should buy a real copy of it. if we only read it online instead of buying it, they'll stop selling it. then people [ie, businesses] are going to get mad and go and hunt down and kill off all the manga scanslation sites.

if it's been out of publication for a long time... that can get quite a bit harder to find, and it feels like a lot more of a grey area to me.

of course technically it's all pretty black and white. scanslations are in the same category as fansubs; not legal. however, there seems to be a fairly longstanding unspoken agreement that as long as fansubs (scanslations too?) aren't taking sales away from series that are being actively published, it's usually better to just look at it as increasing their exposure without cost to the company.

i don't really want to get into a big debate about "lost future sales", or all that... but i figure that it mostly balances out. for whatever sales potential they might lose on a given series, it can also create new exposure to a lot of people, some of whom -will- become sales.
a lot of people aren't going to go out and buy those "weird japanese comics" because they don't know what they're getting into.. but with the ability to read some online, they can figure it out a bit, and then it won't be such a jump to think of buying it themselves.

how many of your actually went out and bought manga, before you got to read it online, or at a friends, or some other exposure?
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Posted 2/10/12 , edited 2/10/12

TheRealEscargotpudding wrote:

It's really hard to buy Japanese manga online... I've looked but it's either extremely expensive or just not available to ship to the U.S...

I use MangaReader and I used to download raw scans online but with the whole file sharing thing, I'm not able to do that anymore... -_-

Many manga fans exist around the world because of online scans/translations. Although it technically isn't "legal" I feel like no one would benefit from no manga on the internet. If I read a series online and I like it enough, I will go to a Book Off and buy the series, merchandise, etc.





Not sure where you live, but have you tried Book Off? Unfortunately they don't have an online shop, but there's a HUGE one in NYC where half 3/4 of the basement is Japanese manga (many for only $1). But there are a lot of Japanese speaking people in the NYC metro area so that could be why. There is also Mitsuwa food store in New Jersey which has a book store next to it with Japanese manga. Not as big of a selection as Book Off but many popular titles.

There are also several Book Off stores in California, though the one I went to in Torrance didn't seem to have too many in Japanese only English, but that was a really small store also.


Kinokuniya is a store in NYC that has Japanese manga and also does sell online, google their site, maybe you may find something.


And of course, there's ebay ^_^




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Anyway that's a good question, and it's hard to answer. I try to not read manga online, but there are nights where I am bored and I will stroll mangafox just for something quick to read to entertain me. Sometimes though, I find some really great series that I'll read to the end..series such as Watashi wa xx Shinasai. I love that series, that I actually did find volumes 3 and 4 in Japanese and bought them. Would love to some day see it in English or at least in an anime form, I would absolutely buy it.

There are other times where I have come across a manga that is available in the US on Manga fox, and by reading the first chapter or two on there, I got addicted to it, and ended up buying it online that night. It's not too often though that I read manga's that are readily available in the US though, because I like reading the actual book and to collect them, however it's happened and in the end I ended up buying them. I guess you can say, I use the sites as a bit of a preview :p
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Posted 2/11/12

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There are also several Book Off stores in California, though the one I went to in Torrance didn't seem to have too many in Japanese only English, but that was a really small store also.




oh yes, I go to the Book Off near me all the time; I was just referring to the general public who may come from areas that are unfortunately not heavily Asian-populated.
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how many of your actually went out and bought manga, before you got to read it online, or at a friends, or some other exposure?


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Posted 2/11/12

TheRealEscargotpudding wrote:


DevilishMaiden wrote:


There are also several Book Off stores in California, though the one I went to in Torrance didn't seem to have too many in Japanese only English, but that was a really small store also.




oh yes, I go to the Book Off near me all the time; I was just referring to the general public who may come from areas that are unfortunately not heavily Asian-populated.



Ah ok, yes that's very true.
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1) Is it ethical? Strictly speaking, no, since the creators/publishers are not getting their due profit that they should if it was properly bought. But I'm not going to go through the expense of purchasing something I can't read, or which I need to refer to a translation to read.

ON THE OTHER HAND I think publishers and licensing companies *can* benefit from scanlations. I don't think some titles like Blue Exorcist, Dawn of the Arcana, or Black Butler would have sold so well in English at the beginning if there hadn't been a pretty sizeable fanbase already. In fact, I think licensors would be smart in future to try to license series that are popular in the scanlation community. It shows what kind of titles audiences are loving. That's probably better for them than picking up random titles nobody's ever heard of and which turns out to be a flop (and then bemoaning that manga sales are down).

2) I wouldn't be averse to buying electronic manga. My only experience with it is the emanga.com reader (which is flash, I think?). But I found it sort of clunky. It's hard to navigate the pages (zooming, moving the page across to read it all). I understand they don't want people ripping them off, but it's way more of a pain than trying to read it downloaded from elsewhere. (I might end up buying it from them to feel like I've done my ethical duty, and then go read the scanlated version )

Also, I think that price-wise, I'd rather not pay so much for something I can't "have." I'd rather pay the extra $4-6 to own a hard copy, than own something that exists as binary code.
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