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Posted 2/17/12 , edited 2/17/12

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agila61 wrote: Every time I look for PMMM to come up in my Queue on my Android app on my Nook, I don't see it. Has the device encoding been finished yet?

Sorry about that. It was made available a day late due to human error but it should be available as of yesterday around 3:30pm Pacific Time.

3:30pm Pacific ... hmm, gazinta, carry the one, ... that's 6:30pm Eastern. Ah, OK, that explains it. I'll be sure to grab my headphones so I can watch it on my Nook when I go to bed tonight. Thanks!


Ultraulquiorra wrote: Why not available in Australia!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tl;dr? PMMM was licensed by AniplexUSA for the North American market only. Crunchyroll is sublicensing from AniplexUSA.

North America was the only rights AniplexUSA had, so that's the only rights Crunchyroll could get from them.

Fingers crossed that this becomes less common in the future, after the successes getting Sentai and NIS America shows with Australian rights. That's probably why Ozzie rights jumped from like 40%-50% before to 70% in Winter 2012.

AnimeNewsNetwork says Madman has the Australian license for PMMM, so they are the ones to ask when its going to be streaming at their Screening Room. You're lucky someone has the Ozzie rights ~ UK fans are jealous.
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Pardon me if I'm misunderstanding this, but doesn't that also mean that money that goes towards licenses for NA-streaming is money that does not go towards possible alternatives for other audiences, shows that more than just North Americans (and whoever happens to be part of the contract in question) could watch?

I understand that North America makes up the large part of the audiences here, but focusing on contracts for those regions while offering a fraction of the shows to other regions and then charging the same price, refusing to charge based on the shows available to different regions for reasons of complexity leaves more than just a bitter taste, especially if the shows I can't watch are still being linked to from different ones or happily announced on the mainsite, then declared to be NA-only in the article, rubbing it into my face every single time.

Seeing the season lineups with lots of interesting titles of which 3/4 or more are NA-only just makes me wonder why I should even bother paying if the large majority of the money goes towards NA-contracts anyway.

I've continued paying for CR so far because there were still titles available to watch and, as far as Anime are concerned, CR is one of the few options I consider, being an anti-pirate. However, having watched maybe 1-2 episodes every day for a few months has reduced the remainder of interesting shows to a fraction of what it is for other audiences. I just don't think it's fair. It is a result of ancient regional registrictions, yes, but it would certainly help if CR actually gave less lucky audiences a hand and charged less or actually purchased contracts for non-NA regions.
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Except it's not here.
Because it's region locked .

Thank you Crunchyroll, thank you so much.
why does it feel like this issue has completely stagnated?
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Sucks that the best stuff are NA only.
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Aw come on! More European series as well please O:
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I already watched Madoka magica, but this anime is NOT your average Magical Girl anime. Trust me. it's not.
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Region locking shows is one of the stupid things ever and only promote watching fansubs but the Japanese companies have there heads stuck to far up there ass to release this. If you pay the same price for premium membership outside the U.S you should be able to watch all the shows in the mean time you can get around it by using proxies just search "How to get around Crunchyrolls region restriction" on youtube.
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Except it's not here.
Because it's region locked .

Thank you Crunchyroll, thank you so much.
why does it feel like this issue has completely stagnated?

Given that the company it was licensed by (Aniplex USA) only had the license for North America, it isn't as if they could license it for other areas.

Also, even if CR didn't have it, those of us in the U.S.would still be able to watch it on Hulu and Crackle, albeit with ads and lower resolution.

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PringlesXD wrote: Sucks that the best stuff are NA only. :(

My best series of the past two seasons are Chihaya Furu, Fate/Zero, Miniskirt Space Pirates, Knight in the Area, and Squid Girl. Which of them is NA only, again?


kattyheather wrote: Thank you Crunchyroll, thank you so much.
why does it feel like this issue has completely stagnated?

Because you are looking backwards in a time machine ~ this was originally licensed well before Winter 2012, and Aniplex has decided to stream it widely now in support of their DVD/BD releases, so they are putting it on Crunchyroll, Hulu and Crackle. But even if Aniplex had streamed it on Crunchyroll right away, the way things were going back then, it would have been North America only. Compare that to this season where several sublicenses for this seasons series are actually streaming to the UK.


Lepetit89 wrote: Pardon me if I'm misunderstanding this, but doesn't that also mean that money that goes towards licenses for NA-streaming is money that does not go towards possible alternatives for other audiences, shows that more than just North Americans (and whoever happens to be part of the contract in question) could watch?


Yes. And that is money that comes from North American subscribers. The money that pays for series does not come from "somewhere else", its each of us paying the creators in Japan through Crunchyroll, plus paying Crunchyroll for the services they provide.

Series 1 has viewers limited to North America. Crunchyroll can only offer a Minimum Guarantee based on North American views because it will only earn royalties from North American views.

Series 2 has viewers from North America and the Rugby Super-12 countries (NZ, Oz & South Africa). Crunchyroll can only offer a Minimum Guarantee based on views from those five countries.

Series 3 has viewers from North and South America, Oz&NZ, UK&Eire, South Africa, and Northern Europe. Crunchyroll can offer a Minimum Guarantee based on views from all of those countries combined.

Each region funds the series that they can see. People who cannot view a series do not generate an audience view for seeing the series so they do not add to the royalties that the series earns.


I understand that North America makes up the large part of the audiences here, but focusing on contracts for those regions while offering a fraction of the shows to other regions and then charging the same price, refusing to charge based on the shows available to different regions for reasons of complexity leaves more than just a bitter taste, especially if the shows I can't watch are still being linked to from different ones or happily announced on the mainsite, then declared to be NA-only in the article, rubbing it into my face every single time.

But nobody can accuse Crunchyroll of focusing on contracts for North America only. Every season for over a year, a majority of new simulcasts each year are available in regions outside of North America. That doesn't happen by accident: not trying to get more regional coverage would be easier. Getting those simulcasts outside of North American is harder. So Crunchyroll is clearly focusing on getting more coverage.


... I just don't think it's fair. It is a result of ancient regional registrictions, yes, but it would certainly help if CR actually gave less lucky audiences a hand and charged less or actually purchased contracts for non-NA regions.

That's unfair to all the regions your system would force Crunchyroll to abandon entirely. When you think through the consequence of that system, you are sketching a system to restrict Crunchyroll to just North America, the UK & Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, and maybe South Africa and Brazil. With revenues from the rest of South America, the rest of Europe, the Middle East, Africa and Asia plummeting, there'd be even less reason for Japanese licensors to offer rights to stream to those regions.

I don't think its fair to cut those regions off entirely. And its not a price cut in the end, its a service cut, because the price paid is what makes the region of interest to Japanese licensors in the first place.

And if you have been watching 1-2 episodes a day for several months, shouldn't you be paying an extra rate and shouldn't I get a discount? I haven't had near 28-56 anime episodes to watch in a month for several years (though I would have to plough that discount back into a drama premium in those times when I marathon a historical K-drama ~ I'm looking at you Yi San & Great Queen Seondeok!!!)

That's why I suggested the "series sampler" subscription. If someone is down to only have two series to follow ~ and this would not be by region, anybody in this situation could subscribe to the plan ~ they pay one month's rate for access to the first episode of all new series, and then three months worh of episodes from two series of their choice.

So someone who joins up and finds a lot of stuff, but ploughs through it and has only a limited selection left because of regional restrictions, they can decide if their choices are so limited they really only need premium access to a couple of series in a broadcast season.
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Except it's not here.
Because it's region locked .

Thank you Crunchyroll, thank you so much.
why does it feel like this issue has completely stagnated?

Given that the company it was licensed by (Aniplex USA) only had the license for North America, it isn't as if they could license it for other areas.

Also, even if CR didn't have it, those of us in the U.S.would still be able to watch it on Hulu and Crackle, albeit with ads and lower resolution.



None of what you have said actually addresses the issue though. Crunchyroll can and has got anime direct from the Japanese rights holders, rather that through an American company. The real problem is with the Japanese companies who are still very tight-fisted about licensing anime for streaming in Europe.


Also thank you greatly for reminding us that the US has many legal streaming opportunities that we don't have. You love rubbing that in don't you. (and that also has nothing to do with the issue at hand.)
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Also thank you greatly for reminding us that the US has many legal streaming opportunities that we don't have. You love rubbing that in don't you. (and that also has nothing to do with the issue at hand.)

It appeared you were implying that CR should pass on series unless they can get international rights. In this case, it wouldn't have made much difference to Aniplex USA, as they had other outlets.

The majority of CR's income is from the U.S. (69%, if I recall correctly from the last time I saw a number), so it makes economic sense that CR would have more revenue to spend for U.S. licenses.

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Also thank you greatly for reminding us that the US has many legal streaming opportunities that we don't have. You love rubbing that in don't you. (and that also has nothing to do with the issue at hand.)

It appeared you were implying that CR should pass on series unless they can get international rights. In this case, it wouldn't have made much difference to Aniplex USA, as they had other outlets.

The majority of CR's income is from the U.S. (69%, if I recall correctly from the last time I saw a number), so it makes economic sense that CR would have more revenue to spend for U.S. licenses.



I wasn't implying that at all. I think that it's preferable for CR to get a licence that everyone can watch ( which they obviously couldn't do this time) rather than through a company that has licensing limitations it's self, but I'm not saying that if they can't get the ideal licence nobody should have it, that would be cruel.

well, I think what my argument comes down to is that neither licensing reasons nor economic reasons change the fact that it's still depressing when a show you want to watch get blocked from you with a region lock.

(also any mention of Hulu tends to piss me off... you can probably tell I'm a little bitter about that site. sorry about that, I feel bad for lashing out now I've cooled down )
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kattyheather wrote: None of what you have said actually addresses the issue though. Crunchyroll can and has got anime direct from the Japanese rights holders, rather that through an American company. The real problem is with the Japanese companies who are still very tight-fisted about licensing anime for streaming in Europe.

But of 11 new full-length series that Crunchyroll was offered to stream in Winter2012, 8 stream to Europe. That includes Mouretsu, Another, Listen to Me Girls, I'm Your Father, and Inu x Boku, all licensed to Sentai, as well as Natsume Yujincho, licensed to NIS America ~ so a majority of Crunchyroll's streams to Europe among series starting in Winter2012 were licensed to an American company.

Whether Crunchyroll sublicensed or licensed in parallel is beside the point there ~ the main point is that the assumption that an American licensor seemed to mean a North American only license may be outdated.

Now rights within Europe are quite hit and miss: UK&Eire get 7, Northern Europe get 5, Portugal and Spain get 2, Francophone, Central and Eastern Europe and the rest of the Med get nothing. For Europe, that's likely to be caused by fractured licensing regions.


kattyheather wrote: (also any mention of Hulu tends to piss me off... you can probably tell I'm a little bitter about that site. sorry about that, I feel bad for lashing out now I've cooled down )

Yeah, you miss out on the opportunity to pay a subscription to see ads with your shows. Although Crackle has a smaller selection, at least you don't have to pay to see ads: people in AnimaxEurope countries ought to press Sony to put together a CrackleEurope.

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Yes. And that is money that comes from North American subscribers. The money that pays for series does not come from "somewhere else", its each of us paying the creators in Japan through Crunchyroll, plus paying Crunchyroll for the services they provide.

Series 1 has viewers limited to North America. Crunchyroll can only offer a Minimum Guarantee based on North American views because it will only earn royalties from North American views.

Series 2 has viewers from North America and the Rugby Super-12 countries (NZ, Oz & South Africa). Crunchyroll can only offer a Minimum Guarantee based on views from those five countries.

Series 3 has viewers from North and South America, Oz&NZ, UK&Eire, South Africa, and Northern Europe. Crunchyroll can offer a Minimum Guarantee based on views from all of those countries combined.

Each region funds the series that they can see. People who cannot view a series do not generate an audience view for seeing the series so they do not add to the royalties that the series earns.


I see, I wasn't aware of that, that also explains the large majority of other issues it raised (well, minus the linking between series). Thank you for taking the time to explain that!

Still makes me wonder, are the royalties paid based on actual views or are they substracted from all subscriptions in that region?



But nobody can accuse Crunchyroll of focusing on contracts for North America only. Every season for over a year, a majority of new simulcasts each year are available in regions outside of North America. That doesn't happen by accident: not trying to get more regional coverage would be easier. Getting those simulcasts outside of North American is harder. So Crunchyroll is clearly focusing on getting more coverage.


Cannot deny that, it's just the actual use an individual user gets out of his subscription fee that makes the large disparity between NA-audiences and others seem slightly discouraging when it comes to deciding whether a subscription is worth it or not. Which actually adds to another problem; if a requirement for other regions to get more shows is that there are more subscriptions from said regions, then those regions would have to get more subscriptions despite the current problems with a lack of shows in that specific region.

Worse even, if I understand you correctly, and if, say, people start using fake IPs to bypass the region restrictions, wouldn't that also mean that more royalties are added to the licensor's pot as royalties from North America since that show is only available in that region? Assuming that's the case, wouldn't that mean that if people use those IPs for all shows they watch the situation would even worsen due to non-NA royalties shrinking even more? Would probably depend on how the royalties are paid exactly.



That's unfair to all the regions your system would force Crunchyroll to abandon entirely. When you think through the consequence of that system, you are sketching a system to restrict Crunchyroll to just North America, the UK & Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, and maybe South Africa and Brazil. With revenues from the rest of South America, the rest of Europe, the Middle East, Africa and Asia plummeting, there'd be even less reason for Japanese licensors to offer rights to stream to those regions.

I don't think its fair to cut those regions off entirely. And its not a price cut in the end, its a service cut, because the price paid is what makes the region of interest to Japanese licensors in the first place.


Yes, I agree. In the end, it boils down to someone being forced to get the short end of the stick, doesn't it? One system would be more fair for non-NA audiences, but at the same time it would severely hurt the odds of getting more shows to watch due to a lack of money from said regions. The other way round At the same time, however, it makes me wonder if I'll ever get to watch certain shows since a lack of interest from my region just makes it less viable while said lack of interest results in less money resulting in less shows, a vicious circle of sorts.

Simply put, it sucks. Crunchyroll does offer a very progressive way of watching shows, one I'll gladly support, but at the same time there's no denying that it's also rather unpleasant how outdated laws keep that progress from reaching countries like Germany. It's not Crunchyroll's fault, no doubt, but it's frustrating nonetheless.


And if you have been watching 1-2 episodes a day for several months, shouldn't you be paying an extra rate and shouldn't I get a discount? I haven't had near 28-56 anime episodes to watch in a month for several years (though I would have to plough that discount back into a drama premium in those times when I marathon a historical K-drama ~ I'm looking at you Yi San & Great Queen Seondeok!!!)


Decision does not imply selection (or lack thereof) - there's a difference between having a lack of shows to watch due to differing tastes or having a lack of shows to watch due to a lack of selection. I can definitely understand your situation, though, I was in a similiar situation back when the premium service was first introduced. I went for a 12-month subscription right away and probably didn't even spend 100 minutes watching Anime. Not my most efficient investment, but nowadays I consider it a bit of a payback for the fansubs I did watch up until a few years ago.

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