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Why do antifans exist?
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I once gave myself a vagina. It was nice.


And how did you go about accomplishing this task?
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Just so you know we have gone completely off topic ... I will respond to this part and then get back to you pm's on the other stuff

Why not go all the way then and replace the legal concept of marriage, which is separate from the religious one anyway, and make all marriages civil unions? then everyone would be equal.
Marriage is a very loaded word and the institution has been around enough to where if you would call marriage something else people wouldn't know what to do with themselves. Is this your wife/husband or has everyone become a 'partner'. lol


I understand the real fear some religious types have. They don't want the agents of the state marching into their congregations and forcing their preacher, pastor whatever to marry someone against his conscience. But in support of that fear they would deny marriage to someone who visits a justice of the peace or a druid, priest, or minister who has no problem blessing a same sex union in the name of god. As far the state is concerned, the only thing that should matter is the legal contract between two people. No matter what you call it
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Yep you are pretty much preaching to the choir. The only interesting debate I have had with someone who doesn't believe in gay marriage is that, if you allow it no matter what the majority of people think then it is no longer a democracy. I countered with slavery. He called me an ass for comparing the two. end of discussion. I'm curious what you would say when confronted with it. Is granting gay- marriage when a majority of people in a state oppose it a democratic thing to do? To keep somewhat on topic, maybe some anti-gay marriage people are simply responding to liberals that piss them off.


As far as given congregation is concerned. most require that you be a member, take classes etc. They don't just blindly marry someone. So what has changed? oh .. I see... they object that someonelse who they see as 'living in sin' get's to call themselves married. Get's to be at the bedside of at the death of said loved one instead of shoved aside by 'relatives' who never cared about their black sheep until now etc.


Yeah I also thought that too. You can't get married in a church if you are not part of it. I wonder if you can use the building and have a different priest though? The only issue I see with making every state have gay marriage whether they vote for it or not is this. Lets say a congregation opposes gay-marriage and does not want gay marriage in their church. Can then, after this hypothetical law is passed, they be sued or even forced to have gay-marriage in their church? On a different note .... yeah I agree with your statement with the partner and the relatives


I have a hard time respecting the fears of those who would trample on the rights of those who have nothing to do with them just to defend the IDEA of marriage in their own heads.


While I agree with what you just said I'm going to try to play devils advocate ....... yeah nevermind it is too difficult. Hit me up with some pm's when you have the time so we don't clog the thread
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CarboKill wrote:

I once gave myself a vagina. It was nice.


And how did you go about accomplishing this task?


I sense the potential for the death of another thread..
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Nozferi wrote:


ZenZaku wrote:


CarboKill wrote:

I once gave myself a vagina. It was nice.


And how did you go about accomplishing this task?


I sense the potential for the death of another thread..


Nah, I doubt this will go the way of the Litears argument. Me and Carbo will simply have an off topic discussion mixed among the on topic posters. I doubt it will go any longer than a few posts. That is if he responds.
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Antifans exist because something is popular. A few people dislike something for valid reasons and then everyone else jumps on the hate bandwagon to fit in. And the problem is that all of these bandwagon jumpers tend to not have valid reasons abotu why or the ydon't try to find out their own opinion, just spout out what everyone else says.
Posted 2/16/12
They make me dislike some series. Madoka Magica for example, what a DAMN LOUD fanbase.
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Yep you are pretty much preaching to the choir. The only interesting debate I have had with someone who doesn't believe in gay marriage is that, if you allow it no matter what the majority of people think then it is no longer a democracy. I countered with slavery. He called me an ass for comparing the two. end of discussion. I'm curious what you would say when confronted with it. Is granting gay- marriage when a majority of people in a state oppose it a democratic thing to do? To keep somewhat on topic, maybe some anti-gay marriage people are simply responding to liberals that piss them off.


I don't know your country of origin, so I'm just going to say that I'm coming from an American political perspective.

You're illustrating why democracy is one of the most moronic, self-destructive political systems in existence. You're also illustrating a great reason why the United States is not and never has been a democracy.

The whole point of having a constitution that insures the protection of a certain basic set of acknowledged rights*, and to have a government that exists by a set of specific principles, is designed to protect people against the insanity of democracy. If the whim of the majority were enough to take away your own life, liberty, and property, then we would all be at continuous risk. Why? Because while most people tend to side with the majority most of the time, nearly everyone holds a less than popular opinion about >something<.

Democracy is a favorite tool of tyrants because of its ease of manipulation and the appearance of authority granted by a leader 'simply following the will of the people.' You look at some of the most insane regimes of the 20th century, and they all at least pay lip service to democracy -- even if they ignore the people later, the popular mandate is almost needed to really get atrocities off the ground.

Everything about (for example) the American Bill of Rights is only meaningful because it protects minority opinions. It recognizes that while the will of the majority of people is important, it should not -- it cannot -- in and of itself be enough justification to oppress a minority.

Now, whether gay marriage is part of this 'right' is still worthy of debate, but democracy should never be part of the equation.


* -- I just want to add that the Constitution, and the government, does not 'give' or 'grant' rights. The Constitution recognizes the preexistence of certain rights, and is a document that acts as a contract by which the government promises to protect those rights in exchange for the government's continued right to exist. Yeah, it may seem like a minor point, and sure, a powerful government can try to take whatever it wants...but I feel that it is a philosophically superior position for people to always remember that there is no big brother or quasi-divine government who 'gives' them the right to exist. My apologies for the side-rant :)

Also, my apologies for taking part in the sidelining of this thread. I'd be happy to also discuss this in PM
Posted 2/16/12
Wherever there is a like, there is always a dislike... Light and dark blah blah blah
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This doesn't really need to be discussed. They exist because they chose to dislike something.
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Genetically modified stem cells inserted into my groin.
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Firstly, I have never heard about that and I find it hard to believe. Secondly, what is a meme in the context you are using it in? I was under the impression it was related to fanfiction.
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CarboKill wrote:


ZenZaku wrote:


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Genetically modified stem cells inserted into my groin.

Oh if it were only that easy

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Oh if it were only that easy



I notice you're 45 now. Happy birthday, whenever it was.
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Im an anti fan of the New drama Skip Beat It is a mockery of the beautifully made anime and mange I am sooooo grieved over the drama and I could just go on and on about the horrors of it all because I LOVED the anime and LOVE the manga and hate what they did to the drama.

1. They dubbed it all in Mandarin ( Even tho the acting is in Korean)
2. They leads are so disappointing I cried

there is tons more but I couldn't even and will never ever watch past the first episode
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I'll use the ever dreaded Twilight as an example. I hate it because the characters are bland and uninteresting. I really hate the fans (especially 30 year old women). They think that the story is one of a kind and maybe it is...but only to a point. It's a cliche book that you can find anywhere.

I will give kudos for Meyers writing ability. It was different and enjoyable. But that's it. She did a better job with The Host and even that got boring after the 2nd reading.
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