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Neon Genesis Evangelion
Posted 12/24/12


^ this.

Honestly, I enjoyed Evangelion. I would buy it and watch it again. Definitely a great show, but I have a few problems with it. It's by no means perfect like some people seem to think. The still frames nearing the end of the series. The religious symbolism that was just crammed into the show to give it an "exotic" feel. The less than likable cast of characters. Shinji's revelation at the end that pretty much amounts to "I hate myself, but if I didn't hate myself I could be happy. THAT'S IT! I'm gonna stop hating myself." to me anyways. That's what I got out of it. The movie being a "f*ck you" to the fans, and Anno pretty much telling people that the show means what you can get out of it since I don't even think he can make sense out of it.

That being said, it's still a classic and one of the most influential series I can think of
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Posted 12/24/12 , edited 12/24/12

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^ this.

Honestly, I enjoyed Evangelion. I would buy it and watch it again. Definitely a great show, but I have a few problems with it. It's by no means perfect like some people seem to think. The still frames nearing the end of the series. The religious symbolism that was just crammed into the show to give it an "exotic" feel. The less than likable cast of characters. Shinji's revelation at the end that pretty much amounts to "I hate myself, but if I didn't hate myself I could be happy. THAT'S IT! I'm gonna stop hating myself." to me anyways. That's what I got out of it. The movie being a "f*ck you" to the fans, and Anno pretty much telling people that the show means what you can get out of it since I don't even think he can make sense out of it.

That being said, it's still a classic and one of the most influential series I can think of


The religious symbolism was mostly unintentional, it was put there to look cool. Budget constraints such as still frames and hiding character's mouths with things like coffee cups so they don't have to animate the lip flaps (that goes for the TV series also). Yeah, the movie was pretty much a big 'Fuck you' because of all the whining and death threats Anno had gotten regarding the TV series ending. Death and Rebirth isn't even worth mentioning, watching End of Evangelion gets you the same thing with more to it. If it was perfect, it wouldn't be as widely known as it is. Anyway, regardless of anything it is still a classic and very influential. For me, I would have to say I liked the characters, just for their more realistic personalities. I liked how damaged all of them were, no sunshine and rainbows here. The anime Gunbuster (also directed by Anno) has similarly conflicted characters, they are actually regarded as prototypes for some of the Eva characters. What I draw from Evangelion is that you should learn to accept yourself and who you are, that being hurt is a part of growing up, connections with others are necessary for development, amongst other things. But yeah, Anno basically says to interpret Eva as you want, whether he understands it fully himself hasn't been directly stated. Being the creator he does offer his own insight into it though. In contrast to the anime itself, the manga version illustrated and written by Yoshiyuki Sadamoto (character designer for Evangelion) has a bit more likable versions of the characters among other things. For example, Shinji in the manga adaptation is much more violent (sometimes physically) and troubled than his anime counterpart as well as more of a smart-ass and cynical towards other characters like Asuka, who he isn't afraid to show hatred for and call an ungrateful bitch. He still views Rei in the same light, not in a romantic sense but more of a platonic sense. Asuka, in turn, is also different than her anime counterpart. Her origins are changed significantly and she is a bit tamer towards others but is slightly more physically violent and has a better relationship with Shinji as time goes on. With Rei, she responds to human contact more openly and comes off warmer than her anime counterpart; it is also strongly implied that she develops romantic feelings for Shinji and her desire to not be viewed as a doll makes her stand out more as an actual person.
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Yeah, the manga is pretty good. I have yet to finish it though, got to the part where Shinji is actually about to help Asuka fight the Eva Series!
That's a great place to pick up though, when I decide to fishing reading it!

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Posted 12/24/12
I usually rewatch the show once a year
Posted 12/24/12 , edited 12/24/12

Shrapnel893 wrote:


jaxems wrote:



^ this.

Honestly, I enjoyed Evangelion. I would buy it and watch it again. Definitely a great show, but I have a few problems with it. It's by no means perfect like some people seem to think. The still frames nearing the end of the series. The religious symbolism that was just crammed into the show to give it an "exotic" feel. The less than likable cast of characters. Shinji's revelation at the end that pretty much amounts to "I hate myself, but if I didn't hate myself I could be happy. THAT'S IT! I'm gonna stop hating myself." to me anyways. That's what I got out of it. The movie being a "f*ck you" to the fans, and Anno pretty much telling people that the show means what you can get out of it since I don't even think he can make sense out of it.

That being said, it's still a classic and one of the most influential series I can think of


The religious symbolism was mostly unintentional, it was put there to look cool. Budget constraints such as still frames and hiding character's mouths with things like coffee cups so they don't have to animate the lip flaps (that goes for the TV series also). Yeah, the movie was pretty much a big 'Fuck you' because of all the whining and death threats Anno had gotten regarding the TV series ending. Death and Rebirth isn't even worth mentioning, watching End of Evangelion gets you the same thing with more to it. If it was perfect, it wouldn't be as widely known as it is. Anyway, regardless of anything it is still a classic and very influential. For me, I would have to say I liked the characters, just for their more realistic personalities. I liked how damaged all of them were, no sunshine and rainbows here. The anime Gunbuster (also directed by Anno) has similarly conflicted characters, they are actually regarded as prototypes for some of the Eva characters. What I draw from Evangelion is that you should learn to accept yourself and who you are, that being hurt is a part of growing up, connections with others are necessary for development, amongst other things. But yeah, Anno basically says to interpret Eva as you want, whether he understands it fully himself hasn't been directly stated. Being the creator he does offer his own insight into it though. In contrast to the anime itself, the manga version illustrated and written by Yoshiyuki Sadamoto (character designer for Evangelion) has a bit more likable versions of the characters among other things. For example, Shinji in the manga adaptation is much more violent (sometimes physically) and troubled than his anime counterpart as well as more of a smart-ass and cynical towards other characters like Asuka, who he isn't afraid to show hatred for and call an ungrateful bitch. He still views Rei in the same light, not in a romantic sense but more of a platonic sense. Asuka, in turn, is also different than her anime counterpart. Her origins are changed significantly and she is a bit tamer towards others but is slightly more physically violent and has a better relationship with Shinji as time goes on. With Rei, she responds to human contact more openly and comes off warmer than her anime counterpart; it is also strongly implied that she develops romantic feelings for Shinji and her desire to not be viewed as a doll makes her stand out more as an actual person.


You're right, if it weren't for it's flaws the show wouldn't be nearly as talked about as it is. I really respect the show, which is why I'll buy it. I never bothered with Death and Rebirth, I heard it was pretty much a recap of the series. I might check out the Evangelion movies sooner or later, but I am pretty interested in the manga. So I'll be reading that once I catch up on the manga I just bought.
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Posted 12/24/12 , edited 12/24/12

jaxems wrote:


Shrapnel893 wrote:


jaxems wrote:



^ this.

Honestly, I enjoyed Evangelion. I would buy it and watch it again. Definitely a great show, but I have a few problems with it. It's by no means perfect like some people seem to think. The still frames nearing the end of the series. The religious symbolism that was just crammed into the show to give it an "exotic" feel. The less than likable cast of characters. Shinji's revelation at the end that pretty much amounts to "I hate myself, but if I didn't hate myself I could be happy. THAT'S IT! I'm gonna stop hating myself." to me anyways. That's what I got out of it. The movie being a "f*ck you" to the fans, and Anno pretty much telling people that the show means what you can get out of it since I don't even think he can make sense out of it.

That being said, it's still a classic and one of the most influential series I can think of


The religious symbolism was mostly unintentional, it was put there to look cool. Budget constraints such as still frames and hiding character's mouths with things like coffee cups so they don't have to animate the lip flaps (that goes for the TV series also). Yeah, the movie was pretty much a big 'Fuck you' because of all the whining and death threats Anno had gotten regarding the TV series ending. Death and Rebirth isn't even worth mentioning, watching End of Evangelion gets you the same thing with more to it. If it was perfect, it wouldn't be as widely known as it is. Anyway, regardless of anything it is still a classic and very influential. For me, I would have to say I liked the characters, just for their more realistic personalities. I liked how damaged all of them were, no sunshine and rainbows here. The anime Gunbuster (also directed by Anno) has similarly conflicted characters, they are actually regarded as prototypes for some of the Eva characters. What I draw from Evangelion is that you should learn to accept yourself and who you are, that being hurt is a part of growing up, connections with others are necessary for development, amongst other things. But yeah, Anno basically says to interpret Eva as you want, whether he understands it fully himself hasn't been directly stated. Being the creator he does offer his own insight into it though. In contrast to the anime itself, the manga version illustrated and written by Yoshiyuki Sadamoto (character designer for Evangelion) has a bit more likable versions of the characters among other things. For example, Shinji in the manga adaptation is much more violent (sometimes physically) and troubled than his anime counterpart as well as more of a smart-ass and cynical towards other characters like Asuka, who he isn't afraid to show hatred for and call an ungrateful bitch. He still views Rei in the same light, not in a romantic sense but more of a platonic sense. Asuka, in turn, is also different than her anime counterpart. Her origins are changed significantly and she is a bit tamer towards others but is slightly more physically violent and has a better relationship with Shinji as time goes on. With Rei, she responds to human contact more openly and comes off warmer than her anime counterpart; it is also strongly implied that she develops romantic feelings for Shinji and her desire to not be viewed as a doll makes her stand out more as an actual person.


You're right, if it weren't for it's flaws the show wouldn't be nearly as talked about as it is. I really respect the show, which is why I'll buy it. I never bothered with Death and Rebirth, I heard it was pretty much a recap of the series. I might check out the Evangelion movies sooner or later, but I am pretty interested in the manga. So I'll be reading that once I catch up on the manga I just bought.


I view the manga, TV series (along with End Of Evangelion), and Rebuild of Evangelion all as separate incarnations of the same thing and as their own stories. I think you'll enjoy the Rebuild films, they're definitely action-packed and a breath of fresh air. I have hopes that the relationship between Shinji and Asuka won't end as badly as in the TV series, what with both of them drawing deeper into their own depressions and abandoning their self-worth. The Re-Take doujin is a nice rendering of their pairing, an overall happier one, after all is said and done that is. I think in all of them Shinji and Asuka have at least developed a mutual friendship with one another, if nothing else.
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The new evangelions not that bad, cant wait for the English 3.0 release
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Posted 12/25/12
The major thematic elements in it make it stand above the competition. You could probably write a thesis explaining the significance of the character choices and relationships to one another (Im sure someone has somewhere). The longing for but impossible to have because of their own devices social interaction feed off another and shape the decisions that not only warp the minds of the already warped teenages tasked with saving humanity but also the adults that come to rely on them and attempt to either cure their own problems or just have a semblance of normalcy. It has its funny or gripping moments but its this like AKIRA before it that prove the medium is a serious art form. Sometimes its a bit cathartic and watching the trials and tribulations the characters go through is calming, that you can think on the matters that are causing stress and undulation for the pilots/staff/everyone. That being said its definitely a mind fuck of a plot with just the TV series alone, watching D&R and EoE can either confuse more or provide answers. Honest advice watch the Rebuilds to get the gist of the universe and if you are hungry for more and willing to go down the rabbit hole watch the series followed by the 1st gen movies. Go in that order because it only gets darker as you go, and yet so much more satisfying.
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The major thematic elements in it make it stand above the competition. You could probably write a thesis explaining the significance of the character choices and relationships to one another (Im sure someone has somewhere). The longing for but impossible to have because of their own devices social interaction feed off another and shape the decisions that not only warp the minds of the already warped teenages tasked with saving humanity but also the adults that come to rely on them and attempt to either cure their own problems or just have a semblance of normalcy. It has its funny or gripping moments but its this like AKIRA before it that prove the medium is a serious art form. Sometimes its a bit cathartic and watching the trials and tribulations the characters go through is calming, that you can think on the matters that are causing stress and undulation for the pilots/staff/everyone. That being said its definitely a mind fuck of a plot with just the TV series alone, watching D&R and EoE can either confuse more or provide answers. Honest advice watch the Rebuilds to get the gist of the universe and if you are hungry for more and willing to go down the rabbit hole watch the series followed by the 1st gen movies. Go in that order because it only gets darker as you go, and yet so much more satisfying.


There are whole books written on the concepts and possible interpretations of Evangelion, I have a page on profile listing themes and references that I read on another site that seemed interesting. A very informational site, if I may add.
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Posted 12/26/12 , edited 12/26/12
Episodes 25-26 for the ultimate mindf*ck.

Oh and End of Evangelion for 10x that.
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Posted 12/28/12 , edited 12/28/12
back in college, my old roommates and I had a marathon of the show and the movies.

I didn't watch it again after that. at all.


I HAVE been reading the manga adaptation, but that was on hiatus for years at a time and is about to end (there can't be more than one volume left for Viz to release)

When a release date for 3.0 is announced, I will start watching the rebuild.
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A personal favorite. I've probably rewatched the series at least 8 times over the last 5 years.

Part of the fun is going through End of Eva frame-by-frame. You get goodies like this:


LOOOL I choked on my food when i saw this.
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Posted 1/2/13 , edited 1/2/13
I was able to watch NGE a few times, but couldn't stomach watching Death/rebirth or End of Evangelion more than once. I love Rebuild though. I have seen the rebuild movies that have come out so far countless times. I have the American releases in blu-ray, and the subbed 3.0 on my PC, and they are TOTALLY FREAKING AWSOME. When 3.0's blu-ray is out, I will get ready for eyegasms.
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Posted 4/15/13 , edited 4/15/13
I can watch it a second time. It's stated to be one of the first psychological anime to exist.
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Posted 4/16/13 , edited 4/16/13
I've seen it more than once. I have also seen End of Evangelion quite a few times, and watched through the Rebuild movies multiple times as well. The only thing I have seen once is Death and Rebirth, which I don't see a point in re-watching.

EDIT: Yes I have rewatched End of Evangelion since that last post, and no, I didn't remember ever posting that last post.
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