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Posted 2/27/12

mic911911 wrote:

So there are many shows that have had a Blu-Ray release, but sometimes the license runs out, the release is very limited, or it was not released in your particular region.

So my question is What show out there deserves a Blu-Ray release or re-release for a particular region?

My series would definitely be Haibane Renmei, the DVDs can only be found used, and the Blu-Ray Box set that was released for Japan goes for $200+. And even though each show doesn't benefit the same amount from a Blu-Ray quality version.
these screenshots show the difference in quality and the DVDs look cloudy and blurred at times.

The DVD Version is on the left and Blu-Ray on the right.



I agree. They should totally release Haibane Renmei on bluray.
There are two more I wish they would release on bluray.. Serial Experiments Lain and Ergo Proxy.
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If I can get it on bluray, thats what I`ll get, if I can`t get it on bluray, I either wait until it gets on bluray or if it`s something old that won`t eve come on bluray, then I buy it on dvd.
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I would buy blu-rays if they got releases i want on them in uk but that only happens sometimes dvds are cheaper to make so i see them staying longer than in other regions for anime
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Lex1ca wrote:

I would buy blu-rays if they got releases i want on them in uk but that only happens sometimes dvds are cheaper to make so i see them staying longer than in other regions for anime


Yeah it is true that the Blu-Ray's cost more to produce and distribute. It makes me wonder why the good Blu-Ray players in general still cost around $150. I think that they should use a similar model like what video games do, sell the platform/player at a cheaper price and make money off of the games/ DVD / Blu-Ray discs.
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Posted 2/27/12
Also add Macross Plus and any of Shinkai's films to the growing list.
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"older shows" should really apply to cel animation, to make the most of BD media. these shows, if the source material is there, would benefit from a True HD remaster from the source (not an upscale of an SD master as is sometimes/ too often the case; the worst Blu-Ray offendor so far has to be Master Keaton).
I do not completely object to HD upscales of SD-created digital animation titles, but often times, they use the (infamous) Q-Tec method of upscaling (or copycat process) quick and dirty method, which can at times even result in the BDs looking worse than the DVD despite higher bitrate and better codecs.

While I love Monster, I don't consider it old in the sense that I mentioned above (cel). It is SD-created digital animation. The quality of the source is not very good, I suspect, judging by the quality of even the R2J DVDs (much better video and Japanese audio than the single R1 set). Even the Jpn DVDs just look really muddy and lack a lot of definition. Too bad since I really love that series.

As for Haibane Renmei, I own the R1 box set (guess I am lucky, I don't keep track of all the sets I have that are pretty expensive now), and while not perfect, it is servicable. The R2J DVDs were quite a bit better from screenshots I have seen, but I could never afford to buy them to add the subs and dub from R1 to. The Japanese Blu-Rays were unfortunately Q-Tec 1080i upscales. For me it is not worth the upgrade to buying the Japanese BDs. The PQ is better than the DVDs, but doesn't justify the cost. The better audio would be a nice feature, but I would also prefer that it had subs, not just dual audio to make it more worthwhile, since I like to watch alternating between subs and dub.

for those looking to buy Haibane -- well, whatever you do, don't get some PAL field-blended version when you buy it The UK and EU editions looked terrible Oo
Maybe I should sell my R1 set on Amazon :hmm:
I better re-watch it before I do, though.



As for shows I want on BD, I want to see mostly shows that still have no R1 DVD/ Region A US BD at all:
I want to see Dennou Coil, as someone else said (I may import the R4 DVD set since it has Eng subs atleast, and I want to have it on retail DVD if not a BD).
Plus I want Michiko to Hatchin,
I want Real Drive,
I want Moyashimon,
I want Bakemonogatari,
I want Lupin TV series 1 and 2 (1 is getting a new R1 DVD set atleast soon, from Diskotek) and many Lupin Specials and Movies and OVAs all on BD.
I want Tokyo Magnitude 8.0.
I want to see Macross F on a US BD. (yeah right, I know)
I want a bunch of Gundam on BD (especially the older ones).
Older mecha on BD sounds like a win (Vifam, any old Tomino shows).
Really want all the VOTOMS on BD.
I would love to see High Speed Jecy even get a DVD release (not one in Japan even).
We really need Patlab BDs here, the OVAs especially, but TV would be great too.

I hope all of them get a BD release at same time as a DVD so I wouldn't double-dip :P

some I have on DVD that I want on BD, (yes I am contradicting myself as there are digital SD titles here, but so long as the SD digital anime titles are upscaled properly, I would still want the, just not as a priority) -- several do have Jpn BDs already:

Nadesico
Planetes
mushi-shi
Wolf's Rain
Metropolis
Neo Tokyo
Kino no Tabi (and the OVAS!!!!!)
Macross (after Japan gets theirs)


and more to add later
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"older shows" should really apply to cel animation, to make the most of BD media. these shows, if the source material is there, would benefit from a True HD remaster from the source (not an upscale of an SD master as is sometimes/ too often the case; the worst Blu-Ray offendor so far has to be Master Keaton).
I do not completely object to HD upscales of SD-created digital animation titles, but often times, they use the (infamous) Q-Tec method of upscaling (or copycat process) quick and dirty method, which can at times even result in the BDs looking worse than the DVD despite higher bitrate and better codecs.

While I love Monster, I don't consider it old in the sense that I mentioned above (cel). It is SD-created digital animation. The quality of the source is not very good, I suspect, judging by the quality of even the R2J DVDs (much better video and Japanese audio than the single R1 set). Even the Jpn DVDs just look really muddy and lack a lot of definition. Too bad since I really love that series.

As for Haibane Renmei, I own the R1 box set (guess I am lucky, I don't keep track of all the sets I have that are pretty expensive now), and while not perfect, it is servicable. The R2J DVDs were quite a bit better from screenshots I have seen, but I could never afford to buy them to add the subs and dub from R1 to. The Japanese Blu-Rays were unfortunately Q-Tec 1080i upscales. For me it is not worth the upgrade to buying the Japanese BDs. The PQ is better than the DVDs, but doesn't justify the cost. The better audio would be a nice feature, but I would also prefer that it had subs, not just dual audio to make it more worthwhile, since I like to watch alternating between subs and dub.

for those looking to buy Haibane -- well, whatever you do, don't get some PAL field-blended version when you buy it The UK and EU editions looked terrible Oo
Maybe I should sell my R1 set on Amazon :hmm:
I better re-watch it before I do, though.



As for shows I want on BD, I want to see mostly shows that still have no R1 DVD/ Region A US BD at all:
I want to see Dennou Coil, as someone else said (I may import the R4 DVD set since it has Eng subs atleast, and I want to have it on retail DVD if not a BD).
Plus I want Michiko to Hatchin,
I want Real Drive,
I want Moyashimon,
I want Bakemonogatari,
I want Lupin TV series 1 and 2 (1 is getting a new R1 DVD set atleast soon, from Diskotek) and many Lupin Specials and Movies and OVAs all on BD.
I want Tokyo Magnitude 8.0.
I want to see Macross F on a US BD. (yeah right, I know)
I want a bunch of Gundam on BD (especially the older ones).
Older mecha on BD sounds like a win (Vifam, any old Tomino shows).
Really want all the VOTOMS on BD.
I would love to see High Speed Jecy even get a DVD release (not one in Japan even).
We really need Patlab BDs here, the OVAs especially, but TV would be great too.

I hope all of them get a BD release at same time as a DVD so I wouldn't double-dip :P

some I have on DVD that I want on BD, (yes I am contradicting myself as there are digital SD titles here, but so long as the SD digital anime titles are upscaled properly, I would still want the, just not as a priority) -- several do have Jpn BDs already:

Nadesico
Planetes
mushi-shi
Wolf's Rain
Metropolis
Neo Tokyo
Kino no Tabi (and the OVAS!!!!!)
Macross (after Japan gets theirs)


and more to add later :D


Amen to that!

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actually I am looking at the used copies of Haibane Renmei Box with vol 1-4 over at amazon, and some are only a bit over $100 (very good or like new as claimed quality for the 2 cheapest). This may not occur to new anime fans, but I can guarantee you i paid a LOT more than that for my copies several years ago. I probably paid almost half that just for the first volume (with box), lol. $100 used is really quite a deal if you go by older pricing schemes, when used copies were rarely much cheaper than new DVDs, which usually cost more for single volumes than a full econo set costs nowadays. Considering that so many of these sets are now OoP, the companies are all dying, this is even better of a deal, imo.
and don't get me started on the price of VHS tapes in the 80s... even getting swindled for extortionate rates on bootleg Nth generation copies.
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And I wonder why those companies went under.
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for kufirst - Mardock Scramble shows a Director's Cut Blu-Ray scheduled for March 13th. I haven't decided if I'm willing to take on another series that resembles Mezzo or Kite.

Some shows do benefit from HD treatment - I'd like to see Howl's Moving Castle or Nausicaa in HD. Others... well, let's just be kind and say that not everything needs to be HD.

As to why there were several companies going under - without a good look at the financials, my guess would be that the companies signed for more licenses than they could afford to localize and produce profitably, along with poor sales and unsustainable debt loads.

Unfortunately the demise of Geneon (Pioneer) and AD Vision in the US has led to a much more conservative market in terms of what's being released as genuinely 'new' material, and instead we're seeing constant repackaging of older existing series. I will grant that Sentai Filmworks has taken up some of the slack, but the quality of their packaging (and their general penchant for fanservice anime) leaves a bit to be desired on occasion.

for Laharlt - Gasaraki did not benefit from being converted to Blu-Ray format - I think that may be due to it being made for analog (4:3) rather than widescreen (16:9), or possibly bad master discs/encoding issues.
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I generally buy DVD's although i owe a few blu-rays through combo packs. but living in the UK, the blu-ray market is awful, the anime distributors in the UK release the 1st part on blu-ray then cancel all future blu-ray releases. Until the UK figures out a suitable blu-ray market I'll stick to dvds
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