Why are today's mainstream bands such tools?
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Posted 2/28/12 , edited 2/28/12
Omg I just know this topic is going to stir controversy @_@ But someone's gotta say it!


Just to clarify, this post only covers Jpop, Kpop and some Tpop. (...Taiwan pop? Did I even write that right?) The "some" is due to the credit of Jay Chou, who actually composes and writes his own music and is damn good at it too.


Yes, I get it. Asian music is just so fun to listen to-- who doesn't love fun techno and beaty tunes that anyone can just groove on the dance floor to?


But what Im frustrated about is-- WHERE'S THE ORIGINALITY? What happened to the "soul" of the music? Seriously... these days ever popular bands such as NewS, SNSD, Super Junior, and so forth., all seem to sing about the same things (romance, love, being flirty, blah blah blah... and only rarely do they sing about some thing else and the song reaches popularity (ex. Mr.Simple))...they don't even write their own music! They don't even come up with their own dance moves! And perhaps worst of all, they don't get to choose their own performance outfits! By this point Im not surprised at the rumors that most of their income goes to their entertainment company, cause it just seems like their company plans everything for them!



The other day I was watching a video called "Kids react to: Kpop"

When told of how the Korean bands Girls Generation, Super Junior and 2ne1 were put together (via entertainment companies) one girl replied: "If I even liked one of them (the band members) I would pretty much be liking the person that trained them".


So my question to you guys are: why are these "puppet bands" so popular in Asia? Do you care whether or not the pop group you like wrote their own song and/ or choreographed their own dance sequences? Or do you disagree with this post and think that they are totes original?

ps. you can check out the kids react video here (I'm not paid for this advertisement! Lol):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd6EQ4MxTWE
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Posted 2/28/12
How come you only cover asian pop/mainstream acts? It's not like the western acts are any different...
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Posted 2/28/12
I'm a little disturbed by the fact that you seem to think not being able to choose one's own performance outfit is worse than not writing the music themselves.

And like the above poster said: why only Asian groups? It's not like we're do much better here in the west...
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Posted 2/29/12 , edited 5/7/12
Because it's so easy to be in a musical act nowadays. 50, 60, 70 years ago you had to be actually be talented and extremely hard working to get anywhere near the music business.
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Posted 2/29/12 , edited 2/29/12
Well I think it's just as hard to get into the music business now as it was then. These days you have the power to make it and even compete with the record-labels, all you have to do is to work. After all, with facebook, youtube and the evolving distribution of music, you have access to the same channels as the labels.

But about the mainstream music: I think the reason why people like it (asian or western) is because it's not targeted to any specific group of people, making it easy to take in, and since the whole meaning of life is to find a group to belong, it's simple to chose the music everybody else's listening to: mainstream.
Or it could be that you simply don't care about music that much and just enjoy it for what it ism not giving it much thought.

Something worth mentioning is that mainstream music, played on radio and TV, give you little room for actually developing you own taste in music. The labels pay the stations to play their songs and artists into infinity, forcing the listener to take it in. See it as a form of brainwash if you want.

I think developing your own taste in music is important as it can help you develop a more critical thinking.
In Sweden, they actually proved in a big study that kids are likely to leave mainstream music behind to form their own taste in music and opinions.

Iin my book you are free to enjoy whatever music you like, if it's jpop, kpop, punk, metal, rave or whatever. As long it YOUR choice, not someone else's.
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1.) THE RECORD LABEL TELLS YOU WHAT TO DO AND BANDS GET FED UP AND TAKE IT ON YOU.
2.) THEY WANT TO BE RESPECTED BECAUSE THEY HAVE MORE MONEY THAN YOU SO MONEY CHANGES PEOPLE




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It's not easy to prove but I think mainstream artists or bands don't really care about the music they make.
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i agree with you ( Kufirst ) AFI is a good example.
i also agree with ( Pergamaster ) and ( Syndicaidramon )
why asian??
a lot of Asian groups are BAD!!!! VERY BAD i am Asian and i don't like it. not even half the j-pop groups so again WHY ASIAN!!! again pergamaster said western is no different .. so what is the different from the 2??
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To answer your question: Money makes the world go around.

This is why I only listen to rock , metal and classics...they play their own music and write their own songs(most of them) for example, Silverchair wrote a wonderful song about anorexia...the lead singer who was only 15 years old at that time suffered from that illness and made that song called "Ana's Song". Marylin Manson sings about his frustration with hypocrite Christians and what he really feels (or the lack of it) inside...he doesn't follow the norm and that's why many people dislike him. Michael Jackson used music to unite people and break stereotypes. The Beatles created their own style of music at a time when it was almost non-existence.

A true musician is inspired by things happening in his/her life but when these 'artists' sing only silly love songs and care more about the looks , that's when I think they don't even like what they're doing - it's all about the money- they will have their moment of fame but will be forgotten in a few years.

I'm not very familiar with Asian groups but here in US the mainstream music sucks(lady gaga, justin beiber and the overrated 1direction etc). There are still very good pop groups but you just have to look hard and ...turn off MTV.
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Pergamaster wrote:

I think developing your own taste in music is important as it can help you develop a more critical thinking.
In Sweden, they actually proved in a big study that kids are likely to leave mainstream music behind to form their own taste in music and opinions.

Iin my book you are free to enjoy whatever music you like, if it's jpop, kpop, punk, metal, rave or whatever. As long it YOUR choice, not someone else's.


Cannot agree more. This approach should be applied to everything: music, food, movies, anime, books, anything.

To fully experience everything this world has to offer don't just be content with what is popular or what everyone else is listening to. Try out different things and see what you like. All I listened too when I was younger was classical, jazz and rock music. Then after a long while I started listening to so much more music. Music from different parts of the world and especially enjoyed music from Africa and Asia. Music is something that can connect people across continents or people sitting in the same room. That's what I love about it.

As Pergamaster touched upon, it doesn't matter what you listen to as long as you're willing to give other things a try and keep your mind open to different artists, genres, styles and languages. Plus, even though people say they always like different genres, you're never going to listen to everything all the time. I go through phases and get as much out of it as I can. I never forget a certain band or genre I just keep it in my mind and heart.
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Posted 5/9/12 , edited 5/9/12
I've already seen enough of discussions like this within forums regarding Upfront Hardcore genre. Though, what they do is actually called oldfagging.
No, you can't judge only Asian mainstream. It's like that with any damn mainstream. Best popularity music, nowadays, is commercial which means it was inspired and composed+produced in a way to earn as much cash possible. Though, you can't really say it's bad without considering it's just your opinion. You can only judge production skills, but music itself is a subjective matter.

In any genre or music scene, too many tracks have been produced, less originality is available.



kufirst wrote:

Because it's so easy to be in a musical act nowadays. 50, 60, 70 years ago you had to be actually be talented and extremely hard working to get anywhere near the music business.


In the old days integrity of music artists was much lower; there was a plenty of talent but you actually needed MONEY to get into the scene, while nowadays you can pirate.
Nowadays, however, there are plenty more wannabe artists and you need to be much more active in order to get to a serious label which could make you prosperous. Even more importantly, you need better skills than in the old days, and you need to follow the trend at least a little.
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