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Yeah, you do it because you want to. And imagine a sportsman-like hunt in Africa after rogue bull elephants that threaten the indigenous peoples. By harvesting a dangerous creature such as a rogue bull elephant, you not only save the people from being trampled to death , but they will very quickly butcher the carcass for their own dietary needs.


Well that pretty much counts as hunting for survival.
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If you don't hunt for food, you're just a sadist.
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wolfsaiga wrote:

only hunting i have done is fishing, if you don't think that counts try spear fishing.

anywho, really your ganna slit there throat instead of shooting them to give them a merciless death?

honestly i am against your methods, if i were to find someone like that when i am camping. you can be sure that i will point my rifle behind your head, obviously im not ganna shoot but hand you over cuz that is without a doubt animal cruelty.

the method isn't even considered primal. did what they need to survive.

if i have to i would hunt. but other than that i don't want to shoot any living creature with a cut nor would i like to cut there throats. fish is the only thing i would ever kill.

but really you killed a wolf? i'd prob shoot ya in the leg if i saw you do it and prob snap your left arm.
though the are not on the endangered list anymore hunting them should still be off limits.


Fishing I really enjoy, though not every trip is so humane. I have seen less-than-ethical fisherman tear the lips and gills from fish and toss them back into the water. They are completely helpless from that point on. And hunting for sport today can teach a person a lot about respect for nature, that is, if they have any conscience.


i agree its conscience based, but its also socially based. i am pretty good at spear fishing, but i prefer the old rod. but we also camp next to a narrow stream so its not always an option.
the socially accepted part is how you learned to view a certain animal. your not ganna care if you step on an ant, but if you step on a rat or bird thats a different story.
anyways i agree with your previous statement about using everything. with fishes, other than the scales and fins we use everything even the bone. everything else we usually bury.
also i agree that nature is very well concieved living in it and joining the cycle of predator and prey wise. but i don't have the heart to kill something for pleasure.
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Yeah, but you went to Africa to sport hunt elephant in the first place, so it is has a dual purpose. The smiles on the faces of the indigenous people counts as a bonus. You become the heroic hunter that won't soon be forgotten.
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Yeah i would hunt but i wouldnt do it for a sport i would do it if i am ever in the wild and need to eat but besides that i will let them be its not my place to kill unless it is necessarily for my survival .
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That's like me killing a person for fun and it just so happens that the person I killed is a criminal wanted dead or alive. People will argue that its wrong to kill but others will argue that he was a wanted criminal and was wanted dead or alive.
Posted 3/1/12 , edited 3/1/12

whitefang21 wrote:


DeusExMachine wrote:




That's like me killing a person for fun and it just so happens that the person I killed is a criminal wanted dead or alive. People will argue that its wrong to kill but others will argue that he was a wanted criminal and was wanted dead or alive.


I can see this being the same as King Kong, since all animals besides humans do not comprehend the judicial system.


wolfsaiga wrote:


DeusExMachine wrote:


wolfsaiga wrote:

only hunting i have done is fishing, if you don't think that counts try spear fishing.

anywho, really your ganna slit there throat instead of shooting them to give them a merciless death?

honestly i am against your methods, if i were to find someone like that when i am camping. you can be sure that i will point my rifle behind your head, obviously im not ganna shoot but hand you over cuz that is without a doubt animal cruelty.

the method isn't even considered primal. did what they need to survive.

if i have to i would hunt. but other than that i don't want to shoot any living creature with a cut nor would i like to cut there throats. fish is the only thing i would ever kill.

but really you killed a wolf? i'd prob shoot ya in the leg if i saw you do it and prob snap your left arm.
though the are not on the endangered list anymore hunting them should still be off limits.


Fishing I really enjoy, though not every trip is so humane. I have seen less-than-ethical fisherman tear the lips and gills from fish and toss them back into the water. They are completely helpless from that point on. And hunting for sport today can teach a person a lot about respect for nature, that is, if they have any conscience.


i agree its conscience based, but its also socially based. i am pretty good at spear fishing, but i prefer the old rod. but we also camp next to a narrow stream so its not always an option.
the socially accepted part is how you learned to view a certain animal. your not ganna care if you step on an ant, but if you step on a rat or bird thats a different story.
anyways i agree with your previous statement about using everything. with fishes, other than the scales and fins we use everything even the bone. everything else we usually bury.
also i agree that nature is very well concieved living in it and joining the cycle of predator and prey wise. but i don't have the heart to kill something for pleasure.


Killing for pleasure can be viewed as part of the maturation process. You do it to see why it is so wrong, and learn from that error.
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DeusExMachine wrote:
I can see this being the same as King Kong, since all animals besides humans do not comprehend the judicial system.


Well the judicial system is not used everywhere nor does it mean its right. In some tribes people are taught to kill and to them its normal. From my point of view i think its normal as well, I mean we are human and its in our instincts. However most of the human race is forced certain beliefs such as killing is wrong and that lying is wrong. The human race has destroyed many species over time and we are still doing it why can't other animals fight back w/o everybody thinking its wrong for animals to kill humans? But who has the right to say what is right and wrong?
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DeusExMachine wrote:
I can see this being the same as King Kong, since all animals besides humans do not comprehend the judicial system.


Well the judicial system is not used everywhere nor does it mean its right. In some tribes people are taught to kill and to them its normal. From my point of view i think its normal as well, I mean we are human and its in our instincts. However most of the human race is forced certain beliefs such as killing is wrong and that lying is wrong. But who has the right to say what is right and wrong?


No one, for right and wrong are subjective terms, and become very blurred as we observe the world around us.

In terms of killing, it all has its place, and everything works itself out in the end.
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Well that's a rather vague way to reply to my post but let's move on we are going some what off topic.

To re-cap ill just say, "I think I'ts wrong to kill animals for fun that cant fight back unless its for survival."

*clicks away from this thread*
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Hit Post before I actually meant to but I think its very cowardly to kill animals that can't fight back.


Well at least we don't let some supermarket employee club them unconcious slit their throats and hang them up bleed bleed and probably start hacking them apart before they're dead. just so people like you can buy those parts in clean cello wrapped packages.

Since I'm not a vegetarian I feel obliged to kill what I eat from time to time.

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whitefang21 wrote:



Well that's a rather vague way to reply to my post but let's move on we are going some what off topic.

To re-cap ill just say, "I think I'ts wrong to kill animals for fun that cant fight back unless its for survival."

*clicks away from this thread*


There was nothing vague about my statement pertaining to the "ethics" of hunting, which shall remain in a haze due to the many perspectives held by many different people. Whether right or wrong in anyone's eyes, the hunt will go on.


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whitefang21 wrote:

Hit Post before I actually meant to but I think its very cowardly to kill animals that can't fight back.


Well at least we don't let some supermarket employee club them unconcious slit their throats and hang them up bleed bleed and probably start hacking them apart before they're dead. just so people like you can buy those parts in clean cello wrapped packages.

Since I'm not a vegetarian I feel obliged to kill what I eat from time to time.


For we cannot forget the from-before-recorded-history, honored tradition of hunting, and how it conditions the practitioner.

Posted 3/1/12
Nowadays bullets cost more than meat.
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underlock wrote:

Nowadays bullets cost more than meat.


That is a very good observation. 10 rounds of .50 BMG, for an exaggerated instance, can cost $50+.
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underlock wrote:

Nowadays bullets cost more than meat.


That is a very good observation. 10 rounds of .50 BMG, for an exaggerated instance, can cost $80+.


Very exaggerated. 30-06 is more than sufficient for any north american big game. Even .308 remington will do or Mosin Nagant 7.62x51mm


I wouldn't recomend 30-30, 30 carbine, or 7.62 x 39

If it takes you more than 100 rnds a season to sight in your rifle and bag your single deer or moose. then you're not a good enough marksman to be safe in the field.

100rnds. your ministry of natural resources moose or deer tag, food and other camping consumables gasoline, butcher's fee and electricity for your freezer cost a lot less then the 100lbs plus (even more for moose) of meat that isn't 30% growth hormones by weight at your local supermarket. AND you went and got your hands dirty. There are too many people in our modern world who like to point their lily white fingers at the people who actually get blood on dirt on themselves so that those same prissy clean people can enjoy the benefits of our modern society.

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