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Posted 3/1/12

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Nowadays bullets cost more than meat.


That is a very good observation. 10 rounds of .50 BMG, for an exaggerated instance, can cost $80+.


Very exaggerated. 30-06 is more than sufficient for any north american big game. Even .308 remington will do or Mosin Nagant 7.62x51mm


I wouldn't recomend 30-30, 30 carbine, or 7.62 x 39

If it takes you more than 100 rnds a season to sight in your rifle and bag your single deer or moose. then you're not a good enough marksman to be safe in the field.

100rnds. your ministry of natural resources moose or deer tag, food and other camping consumables gasoline, butcher's fee and electricity for your freezer cost a lot less then the 100lbs plus (even more for moose) of meat that isn't 30% growth hormones by weight at your local supermarket. AND you went and got your hands dirty. There are too many people in our modern world who like to point their lily white fingers at the people who actually get blood on dirt on themselves so that those same prissy clean people can enjoy the benefits of our modern society.



If I ever decided to be a showoff with .50 BMG, that would be purely an African hunt. I can sight my rifles in with quite a bit less than 100 rounds each. Not even 10, usually. I may not even get a shot beyond the sight-in process, sadly.

I agree wholeheartedly that .30-06 is very versatile. In fact, the most versatile centerfire cartridge used today. .308 has a higher accuracy potential than .30-06, but trails behind slightly in energy. However, I wouldn't recommend using .30-06 on Alaskan brown bear, even with tungsten-cored bullets.

7.62x39mm is fine, so long as you have (though unethical) high-capacity magazines, and you alternate between soft points, hollow points, and full metal jackets. Just for kicks!

.30-30 is the quintessential, first-timer caliber. Great for pushing through brush and trees for deer at a typical range of around 100 yrds. If you are skilled, 300 yard shots can be attempted, give or take optics.
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When you say, "it works itself out in the end" that is not exactly clear. To me it sounds vague may be the fact that I'm not exactly big on English and probably don't fully know the meaning of the word. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=definition+of+vague
As for, " Whether right or wrong in anyone's eyes, the hunt will go on." Doesn't matter if you think its right or wrong I'm doing it! << Great thinking!!


Well slaughter houses kill for our survival and to make profit. I'm sure that not all slaughter house workers love their job but they do it to live.

Well I'm the kind of guy that prefers not to get his hands dirty therefore having somebody hunt for me sounds perfectly fine. I profit by getting my food to live and the person doing the hunting gets payed and with that money he buys things to stay alive.
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When you say, "it works itself out in the end" that is not exactly clear. To me it sounds vague may be the fact that I'm not exactly big on English and probably don't fully know the meaning of the word. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=definition+of+vague
As for, " Whether right or wrong in anyone's eyes, the hunt will go on." Doesn't matter if you think its right or wrong I'm doing it! << Great thinking!!


Oh, it matters at least half of the time, so get your gun and jump in on the fun.
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DeusExMachine wrote:


Oh, it matters at least half of the time, so get your gun and jump in on the fun.




Ill be getting my gun as soon as my boot camp date is settled and my marksmanship training starts. =D cant say it will be for killing deer though.



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Posted 3/1/12

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DeusExMachine wrote:


Oh, it matters at least half of the time, so get your gun and jump in on the fun.




Ill be getting my gun as soon as my boot camp date is settled and my marksmanship training starts. =D cant say it will be for killing deer though.


5.56x45mm NATO will dispatch deer with proper placement, or just hit the sucker with a triple burst.
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DeusExMachine wrote:


whitefang21 wrote:






DeusExMachine wrote:


Oh, it matters at least half of the time, so get your gun and jump in on the fun.




Ill be getting my gun as soon as my boot camp date is settled and my marksmanship training starts. =D cant say it will be for killing deer though.


5.56x45mm NATO will dispatch deer with proper placement, or just hit the sucker with a triple burst.


That's illegal in in Canada though. or at least unethical by the standards taught in most hunter's safety courses. anything less that 7.62 diameter (.30 inch) is considered inappropriate for large game. anything with more power than a .22 long rifle is actually illegal to carry Unless you've got your deer or moose or bear tag and it's in season. Exceptions are shotguns. no matter the bore you can always carry birdshot and go after upland fowl. heaven forbid that a CO (conservation officer) catch you with ssgs or buck shot in your ammo pouch though. (unless it's in season and you've got your tag)

I'm inclined (if I were looking to start hunting) to pick up an old Mosin Nagent. It's the Russian equivalent of an SMLE or Springfield '06. They're dirt cheap. and the ammo for them (7.62 x 59 ) is a ballistic approximation of 8mm Mauser or NAT0 7.62 (.308 ), More importantly there's a current glut on the market as former soviet republics sell off their overstock to get hard currency. 7.62 by 59 Russian was still used after the SKS and Kalashnikov rifles as their GPMG and Sniper round. It and 7.62x39 (AK 47, SKS) are nearly as cheap as .22 LR everything else is an order of magnitude more expensive. Movie buffs can pretend they're re-enacting 'Enemy at the Gates' too... if you like that sort of thing.

Another common rifle (but now just as expensive to shoot as any other) here in Canada is the .303 British Lee-Enfield rifles. A lot left over from WWII plus. Canada still keeps extensive stocks of Lee-Enfields re-chambered for .308 for use in the arctic (which does nasty things to semi and full auto weapons)


If White Fang wants good hunting rifle he should get declared as the squad Sharpshooter and get issue the New M1... (M14 revisited) It's a fine battle rifle. And, until the age of auto-fire, The difference between a battle rifle and a hunting rifle was... nil.

(edited for spelling and to tweak grammar.)

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I used to love to go hunting, after I got older I didn't care for the taste of the meat so I pretty much stopped.
My primary game was ducks and geese, either "jump-shooting' or calling over decoys. I still have all my shotguns. My first shotgun was a Mossberg 500A then a Remington 870, both 12 gauge, and I finally got a Browning BPS 10 gauge.
I tried deer and elk hunting but never even saw any of those critters unless it was driving down the road after the season was over. I have a 300 Win. mag. for that and I load/reload my own ammo.

I even went antelope hunting in Wyoming a couple times. It was always a matter of a second or two with antelope, I'd get the cross-hairs on them and just as I am squeezing off the trigger they spook and run like hell. I loaded special ammo for my 300 Winchester Mag. 150 gr, Nozler Balistic tip.

I also took out a few prairie dogs with my 22-250.

The biggest thing for me was the camaraderie. It was never much fun to hunting by myself. I think that was the biggest reason why I stopped, nobody I knew since I moved here goes hunting.
Posted 3/2/12
ive never been real hunting, anyone in southern California? i wanna know all the rules etc. Maybe there should be a gun thread? I've got a few plinkers as well ;-)
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I find hunting for fun is cruel to animals.
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I find hunting for fun is cruel to animals.


You're absolutely right. It's cruel, it's ugly. and if you hunt only half of a pair of critters that mate for life, the other critter's forlorn cries will haunt you in your sleep.



That said:

I think fishing is just as cruel but no cares because fish aren't 'cute'.

I personally believe that anyone who isn't a vegan should be willing to face the consequences of their dietary choices and kill their own food from time to time.

I love hiking, camping and enjoying the outdoors. (though I don't do it near as much as I used to)

I'm a gun nut.

Going out with a bunch of friends with our guns and taking down our own prey, and cleaning up our own mess. Can be quite rewarding. And cruel though it may be. It's reality. and honestly, the biggest waste of skin as a human being is worth more to my philosophy than the cutest fuzzyest most heart melting Moe no-person that walks the planet. You are free to differ with me. but it won't stop me from getting my gun some future hunting season and bagging something for my freezer.



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im scared now...
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im scared now...


what? what is scarey?

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the fact that you enjoy using a gun...
Posted 3/2/12

papagolfwhiskey wrote:


DeusExMachine wrote:


whitefang21 wrote:






DeusExMachine wrote:


Oh, it matters at least half of the time, so get your gun and jump in on the fun.




Ill be getting my gun as soon as my boot camp date is settled and my marksmanship training starts. =D cant say it will be for killing deer though.


5.56x45mm NATO will dispatch deer with proper placement, or just hit the sucker with a triple burst.


That's illegal in in Canada though. or at least unethical by the standards taught in most hunter's safety courses. anything less that 7.62 diameter (.30 inch) is considered inappropriate for large game. anything with more power than a .22 long rifle is actually illegal to carry Unless you've got your deer or moose or bear tag and it's in season. Exceptions are shotguns. no matter the bore you can always carry birdshot and go after upland fowl. heaven forbid that a CO (conservation officer) catch you with ssgs or buck shot in your ammo pouch though. (unless it's in season and you've got your tag)

I'm inclined (if I were looking to start hunting) to pick up an old Mosin Nagent. It's the Russian equivalent of an SMLE or Springfield '06. They're dirt cheap. and the ammo for them (7.62 x 59 ) is a ballistic approximation of 8mm Mauser or NAT0 7.62 (.308 ), More importantly there's a current glut on the market as former soviet republics sell off their overstock to get hard currency. 7.62 by 59 Russian was still used after the SKS and Kalashnikov rifles as their GPMG and Sniper round. It and 7.62x39 (AK 47, SKS) are nearly as cheap as .22 LR everything else is an order of magnitude more expensive. Movie buffs can pretend they're re-enacting 'Enemy at the Gates' too... if you like that sort of thing.

Another common rifle (but now just as expensive to shoot as any other) here in Canada is the .303 British Lee-Enfield rifles. A lot left over from WWII plus. Canada still keeps extensive stocks of Lee-Enfields re-chambered for .308 for use in the arctic (which does nasty things to semi and full auto weapons)


If White Fang wants good hunting rifle he should get declared as the squad Sharpshooter and get issue the New M1... (M14 revisited) It's a fine battle rifle. And, until the age of auto-fire, The difference between a battle rifle and a hunting rifle was... nil.

(edited for spelling and to tweak grammar.)



I actually have a Mosin Nagant 91/30 from 1942. It only cost me about $120 and 7.62x54mm Russian can be found for bargain prices. I have also seen Enemy at the Gates, and if I wanted to recreate that, I'd track down a Mosin Nagant sniper rifle for about $650 or so.

An Enfield rifle would be nice to have, yet I feel my Mosin Nagant, even with its fussy bolt, is an overall better choice.

An M1A rifle would serve well for hunting, or a SOCOM 16, which would facilitate greater effectiveness at closer ranges.
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