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Religion: A Mental Illness?
Posted 3/6/12

ascbrownie wrote:

it is not but people who go over board yea they are. Religion is used so that us humans find a meaning of life as many do not want to think that we and then we just die. My parents tried to raise me muslim but I did not become one as I am an atheist. Most religions have this one guy who god talked to like jesus(was also his so called son), moses, Mohamed and so on why would god only talk to them and not everyone else.


Religion is not used so humans find a meaning of life. A meaning of life is supposed to be unique to the individual, not made up by others.
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To look at religion as mental sickness is nothing short of inane. Though I do not follow any religion, and I have problems with
many of the religions of the world, I do not think of it as mental sickness. If anything else, I'd say religion was the starting point in
science. People began to wonder why their world was the way it was, so naturally, a good explanation would have been the involvement
of a higher power. Much of our modern society has ties to religion; it helped shape who we are as a people.

Also, since none of us actually know what's on the other side of death, for many it's comforting to hope that something's out there.

Face it, if there was no God, we'd have made one anyway.
Posted 3/6/12

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To look at religion as mental sickness is nothing short of inane. Though I do not follow any religion, and I have problems with
many of the religions of the world, I do not think of it as mental sickness. If anything else, I'd say religion was the starting point in
science. People began to wonder why their world was the way it was, so naturally, a good explanation would have been the involvement
of a higher power. Much of our modern society has ties to religion; it helped shape who we are as a people.

Also, since none of us actually know what's on the other side of death, for many it's comforting to hope that something's out there.

Face it, if there was no God, we'd have made one anyway.


Your last sentence: True.

The rest of your post: I don't see the relevance, nor does my imaginary friend.
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well it is for the mass majority people who believe in religion. people who do not believe in religion is like what you said it is unique for the each individual but for people who do believe it is. if you ever take religious studies in university you learn that
Posted 3/6/12

ascbrownie wrote:

well it is for the mass majority people who believe in religion. people who do not believe in religion is like what you said it is unique for the each individual but for people who do believe it is. if you ever take religious studies in university you learn that


Yes, that's why I'm speaking from a scientific perspective. Naturally, an individual formulates a meaning of life on his own. Religion prevents this endowment by imposing a "meaning of life", as you implied. However, this is kind of getting off-topic.
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hahaha yea that's a much better way of putting it
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Posted 3/7/12

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ascbrownie wrote:

well it is for the mass majority people who believe in religion. people who do not believe in religion is like what you said it is unique for the each individual but for people who do believe it is. if you ever take religious studies in university you learn that


Yes, that's why I'm speaking from a scientific perspective. Naturally, an individual formulates a meaning of life on his own. Religion prevents this endowment by imposing a "meaning of life", as you implied. However, this is kind of getting off-topic.


Ever consider including religious sciencists into that? And no, not the cliché scientific individuals, but actual scientific individuals of outstanding merit. "Strictly scientific" is limited, so any reasoning you are trying to convey to us is beyond our comprehension. You are just providing loose "illustrations" of why science should reign supreme and religion should dissolve.

That makes your entire thread alone invalid.
Posted 3/7/12

ascbrownie wrote:

hahaha yea that's a much better way of putting it


Since I'm bored, and I realised that the Crunchyroll forums is open for a bit of chit chat (as long as it's on topic), I'm going to bring up a hypothetical situation to convey my point to you (since you are an atheist).

Imagine a world where everyone aside from you was fixated to one religion. (say, Christianity)

A world where nobody questioned the other possibilities, and everyone was sure that God existed. There was no debate for other possibilities, it was simply accepted as a fact with no question. You are the only one to question the possibilities. Would you consider yourself insane, or would you consider them insane?

I know this seems exaggerated... but yeah.
Posted 3/7/12

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Ever consider including religious sciencists into that? And no, not the cliché scientific individuals, but actual scientific individuals of outstanding merit. "Strictly scientific" is limited, so any reasoning you are trying to convey to us is beyond our comprehension. You are just providing loose "illustrations" of why science should reign supreme and religion should dissolve.

That makes your entire thread alone invalid.


Finally you managed to go on-topic, and I salute you for that. Thank you.

I never said religious scientists were an exception.


Also yes, this implies that Pascal himself had a mental disorder too. As I mentioned earlier, it is an accepted fact that some individuals fail to fully reach the formal operational stage, and only reach it in relation to their area of expertise (maths, sports, etc.). This was the case with Pascal, who was a reputable mathematician.


As you can see, scientists would be suffering the same blind-eye effect as Pascal did. Pascal was a reputable mathematician, yet failed to conceive a proper mathematical equation for the idea of risk in being atheist vs. religious.
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Posted 3/7/12 , edited 3/7/12

heIIow wrote:


ascbrownie wrote:

hahaha yea that's a much better way of putting it


Since I'm bored, and I realised that the Crunchyroll forums is open for a bit of chit chat (as long as it's on topic), I'm going to bring up a hypothetical situation to convey my point to you (since you are an atheist).

Imagine a world where everyone aside from you was fixated to one religion. (say, Christianity)

A world where nobody questioned the other possibilities, and everyone was sure that God existed. There was no debate for other possibilities, it was simply accepted as a fact with no question. You are the only one to question the possibilities. Would you consider yourself insane, or would you consider them insane?


Neither, free will is gift. Christianity teaches that people are free to do what they please because of free will, even if they don't take into consideration the consequences.

So no, nobody would be considered insane. Of course as in every society, that one person is a minority, and therefore (not as a result of religion, but because of the ignorance of *people*) I'm sure that he/she would be treated differently. <-- I hope that will someday change though.
Posted 3/7/12

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Neither, free will is gift. Christianity teaches that people are free to do what they please because of free will, even if they don't take into consideration the consequences.

So no, nobody would be considered insane. Of course as in every society, that one person is a minority, and therefore (not as a result of religion, but because of the ignorance of *people*) I'm sure that he/she would be treated differently. <-- I hope that will someday change though.


It wasn't directed at you. I was bringing up a hypothetical situation, to give an extra push to someone who as at the midst of grasping my point. You're still at the starting lines.
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Posted 3/7/12 , edited 3/7/12

heIIow wrote:


Mangasurf wrote:

Neither, free will is gift. Christianity teaches that people are free to do what they please because of free will, even if they don't take into consideration the consequences.

So no, nobody would be considered insane. Of course as in every society, that one person is a minority, and therefore (not as a result of religion, but because of the ignorance of *people*) I'm sure that he/she would be treated differently. <-- I hope that will someday change though.


It wasn't directed at you. I was bringing up a hypothetical situation, to give an extra push to someone who as at the midst of grasping my point. You're still at the starting lines.


In your mind I am. How can you tell that you aren't the mentally ill one?
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And if my religion causes me to be a better, more compassionate, and unprejudiced person... then I guess I'm ok with being mentally ill in your perspective.
Posted 3/7/12

Mangasurf wrote:

And if my religion causes me to be a better, more compassionate, and unprejudiced person... then I guess I'm ok with being mentally ill in your perspective.


*In a scientific perspective.

Anyway thank you for finally understanding that you shouldn't take this to offense. There's nothing wrong with being mentally ill at all, nor should it be embarrassing. I'm merely pointing it out, as a hindrance to cognitive development.
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Posted 3/7/12 , edited 3/7/12

heIIow wrote:


Mangasurf wrote:

And if my religion causes me to be a better, more compassionate, and unprejudiced person... then I guess I'm ok with being mentally ill in your perspective.


*In a scientific perspective.

Anyway thank you for finally understanding that you shouldn't take this to offense. There's nothing wrong with being mentally ill at all, nor should it be embarrassing. I'm merely pointing it out, as a hindrance to cognitive development.


I'm grateful to have someone experiencing a severe and incurable mental illness like yourself, to guide me step by step in dealing with this newly diagnosed mental illness that I am suffering from. Thank you again.
Posted 3/7/12

Mangasurf wrote:

I'm grateful to have someone experiencing a severe and incurable mental illness like yourself, to guide me step by step in dealing with this newly diagnosed mental illness that I am suffering from. Thank you again.


As a matter of fact, you're correct. I'm a Christian too, which is why I perfectly understand how you feel. I'm currently treating this disorder, yet in the corner of my mind I can't erase the existence of God because of my upbringing. I'm in the same boat as you.
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