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theandroidsoldier000 wrote:

I love avatar!!!!!!!!!! American version of shonen anime. I hope they go dark with this new series if they wna 2 compete with great shonen anime like yuyu hakusho & fma . The 1st series had some plot hole a the end, i rly hope they resolve tht 2^^


I highly doubt that. In FMA Fire can actually melt people and kill them, like Lust and Kimblee. In Avatar, it's like a cloud that can be knocked away if you go by the trailer they posted and doesn't even burn you.



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This show is not anime, it's a poor imitation of anime, and has no real place in the 'anime' section of a forum.


really? im not sure your a troll or just a jerk lol but come on i think your being a bit to much of an elitist anime jerk. if you ask enough people they will tell you it can be bunched together with anime.


Stating the actual definition of anime is not being elitist or a troll, it's stating a fact. It's produced by two white guys from America.

The second part of your statement makes no sense. Who is "enough people"? Do you have any kind of source that this is a definitive answer? Your statement is a logical fallacy that can not be proven. If you really care what other people think, then it's worth pointing out that Japan hated the show and it only aired a few episodes before dying off. Avatar is nowhere near as big as anime is in other countries, or even it's home country of America.


WhiteTigerForeverSorry, but I agree completely with mikecc on this. Anime is a shortened name for animation... just like manga is the Japanese word for comic book. You are just nit picking and being elitist imo because the story makers and designers, producers are white and from and English speaking country. Instead of slamming them, they should be praised for being the first recognized ones to break down the cultural barrier between the two.


How did you come to this conclusion? Avatar is hardly the first show to rip off anime. Teen Titans, Totally Spies, Code Lyoko, Gargoyles, Batman the Animated Series, Funky Cops. They're a dime a dozen in the west. They did not shatter any culture barriers. Unless you can elaborate on your statement, there's no real basis for your statement.


Avatar was drawn and animated in Korea....and even the so called "pure" anime you are watching now often gets animated in Korea also.


Not really, actually. Anime is produced by Japanese people, if you look at the credits, you'll see the director and producers all have Japanese names. Not so for Avatar.


Sure it's a bit different but think of how may lives that show touched and affected... opening more doors for such in the future for all cultures. The biggest difference is in financing. Hollywood has a huge budget for live action films, where Japan has nearly none.... and like wise regarding animation here


What does this have to do with anything? "opening more doors for such in the future for all cultures"? What does that even mean? You're not making any sense.



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Mertonan wrote:


theandroidsoldier000 wrote:

I love avatar!!!!!!!!!! American version of shonen anime. I hope they go dark with this new series if they wna 2 compete with great shonen anime like yuyu hakusho & fma . The 1st series had some plot hole a the end, i rly hope they resolve tht 2^^


I highly doubt that. In FMA Fire can actually melt people and kill them, like Lust and Kimblee. In Avatar, it's like a cloud that can be knocked away if you go by the trailer they posted and doesn't even burn you.



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Mertonan wrote:

This show is not anime, it's a poor imitation of anime, and has no real place in the 'anime' section of a forum.


really? im not sure your a troll or just a jerk lol but come on i think your being a bit to much of an elitist anime jerk. if you ask enough people they will tell you it can be bunched together with anime.


Stating the actual definition of anime is not being elitist or a troll, it's stating a fact. It's produced by two white guys from America.

The second part of your statement makes no sense. Who is "enough people"? Do you have any kind of source that this is a definitive answer? Your statement is a logical fallacy that can not be proven. If you really care what other people think, then it's worth pointing out that Japan hated the show and it only aired a few episodes before dying off. Avatar is nowhere near as big as anime is in other countries, or even it's home country of America.


WhiteTigerForeverSorry, but I agree completely with mikecc on this. Anime is a shortened name for animation... just like manga is the Japanese word for comic book. You are just nit picking and being elitist imo because the story makers and designers, producers are white and from and English speaking country. Instead of slamming them, they should be praised for being the first recognized ones to break down the cultural barrier between the two.


How did you come to this conclusion? Avatar is hardly the first show to rip off anime. Teen Titans, Totally Spies, Code Lyoko, Gargoyles, Batman the Animated Series, Funky Cops. They're a dime a dozen in the west. They did not shatter any culture barriers. Unless you can elaborate on your statement, there's no real basis for your statement.


Avatar was drawn and animated in Korea....and even the so called "pure" anime you are watching now often gets animated in Korea also.


Not really, actually. Anime is produced by Japanese people, if you look at the credits, you'll see the director and producers all have Japanese names. Not so for Avatar.


Sure it's a bit different but think of how may lives that show touched and affected... opening more doors for such in the future for all cultures. The biggest difference is in financing. Hollywood has a huge budget for live action films, where Japan has nearly none.... and like wise regarding animation here


What does this have to do with anything? "opening more doors for such in the future for all cultures"? What does that even mean? You're not making any sense.





Anime: Anime (アニメ?, [anime] ( listen); Listeni/ˈænɨmeɪ/ or /ˈɑːnɨmeɪ/) is the Japanese abbreviated pronunciation of "animation."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime

animation: Animation is the rapid display of a sequence of images of 2-D or 3-D artwork or model positions to create an illusion of movement. The effect is an optical illusion of motion due to the phenomenon of persistence of vision, and can be created and demonstrated in several ways. The most common method of presenting animation is as a motion picture or video program, although there are other methods. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animation

Yes, many shows did cross over and they were fun shows but lacked the philosophical depth and story line of the original Avatar. nor did it reach such a wide audience with such cultural differences as Avatar did...baby steps...

http://www.anime-forums.com/showthread.php?119933-Anime-Drawn-in-Korea


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_animation


http://www.jref.com/forum/anime-manga-28/korean-vs-japanese-anime-2500/

So, as you can see, Korea is slowly becoming a more active resource for anime production. Again, baby steps...


You are most likely of a younger generation, so don't see the ripples caused in societies from children raised with certain ideologies and how that can and does make a difference in social perspectives and futures...but it is okay if you don't understand it..nbd. :D

On a personal note: There wasn't one kid that didn't know or really like Avatar when it was out and actively played and replayed with regards to my children's class mates, play mates and all related brothers and sisters.

If you look at a calm pond for a second, you only see the flat calm surface. Yet underneath, it is teaming with activity and life. Avatar had a very wonderful philosophical message and specific Si Fu's brought in and used for training and more for the action/ fight scenes. Ang essentially was a Mahayanan Zen Buddist Monk. :D

Of coarse you are all free to perceive and feel any way you choose regarding any subject matter, that is your right. I just perceive them as I've described.


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i don't think CR will ever get the hosting rights to stuff made in the west like the boondocks and stuff

i just hope metal bending is still around. toph was epic at it


It's still there, they've shown it in some of the preview clips.

Apparently Toph went on to become Chief of Police and all Cops are Metal Benders, including her kids.


Not sure which idea scares me more
Toph as a Cop or Toph as a Mom




She'd be the one to coin the term Toph Love
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WhiteTigerForever Anime: Anime (アニメ?, [anime] ( listen); Listeni/ˈænɨmeɪ/ or /ˈɑːnɨmeɪ/) is the Japanese abbreviated pronunciation of "animation."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime

animation: Animation is the rapid display of a sequence of images of 2-D or 3-D artwork or model positions to create an illusion of movement. The effect is an optical illusion of motion due to the phenomenon of persistence of vision, and can be created and demonstrated in several ways. The most common method of presenting animation is as a motion picture or video program, although there are other methods. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animation


I'm not sure why you're quoting this, let alone Wikipedia of all places.


Yes, many shows did cross over and they were fun shows but lacked the philosophical depth and story line of the original Avatar. nor did it reach such a wide audience with such cultural differences as Avatar did...baby steps...


Source?

For the later of course, because the first part of your statement is entirely opinion, one of which I completely disgaree with. Avatar was in no way "deep". And if you go by the ratings, Avatar was pretty pitiful, averaging around 3 million while Nickelodeon's other shows could reach upwards of 10+ million. Spongebob is more widely accepted around the world than Avatar. Going by your logic, Spongebob is more fit to be discussed here than Avatar since it's far more popular and 'reached other people'


You are most likely of a younger generation, so don't see the ripples caused in societies from children raised with certain ideologies and how that can and does make a difference in social perspectives and futures...but it is okay if you don't understand it..nbd. :D


Nothing you're saying makes any sense, nor does it have any factual basis at all. You're throwing junior high textbook Zen stuff in your post and acting like it has something to do with this situation. What does any of this have to do with anything?

Honestly you sound like a big troll and are just posting stuff that makes no sense to confuse people. Can you at least try talking normally? Is English not your first language or something?
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So, because you are unable/unwilling to consider any information in my post as valid, you disqualify the entire thing? That, in fact is a logical fallacy, lol. All art forms and their critique are subjective. If you didn't see how I saw it, that is fine. Does sponge Bob have to actively engage in the idea of taking another human being's life when it goes against everything he has been taught and feels is the right thing from within himself? I actually know a great deal more about Buddhism, but kept it simple and didn't elaborate. You, also are stating opinions that are based upon your ego's need to repress the comparison between Japanese animation and American Animation. Tomato can be pronounced two ways also in English and still be correct. There are differences in style, design, budget, story lines, content, etc, yes but all in all... really...What is the big deal? Please refrain from calling me a troll, since you know nothing about me. I would greatly appreciate it. There are things in life, as you grow older that you will find are worth really discussing. This is not really one of them. Let RL be your guide. As for popularity, you could very well correct, as I don't have that info., but I can look it up. I really don't think it's worth it at this point. I, a paying member simply think it has a place here while others may not. I would simply love to watch the series since, once again, I don't have NickToons. BTW, Wiki just happened to be the most convenient source...but here, if this helps:

an·i·ma·tion
   [an-uh-mey-shuhn] Show IPA
noun
1.
animated quality; liveliness; vivacity; spirit: to talk with animation.
2.
an act or instance of animating or enlivening.
3.
the state or condition of being animated.
4.
the process of preparing animated cartoons.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Animation?s=t


Hope your day is going and goes well.


(on a side note, CrunchyRoll is the source that told me the info on the new avatar series, lol)
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WhiteTigerForever So, because you are unable/unwilling to consider any information in my post as valid, you disqualify the entire thing?


When you don't list souces, yes.


That, in fact is a logical fallacy, lol.


Actually no.


Does sponge Bob have to actively engage in the idea of taking another human being's life when it goes against everything he has been taught and feels is the right thing from within himself?


The ironic thing is Spongebob actually has killed more people on screen than Avatar has.

And that whole thing in Avatar was very poorly handled. The fact no one can kill anyone on screen sort of ruins it. I suggust you watch Ruroni Kenshin or Trigun if you want a much better look on the whole 'taking a life' issue. In those series, the characters have actual reasons for it, and actually reach a conclusion. Aang never reach a conclusion, a magical third option popped up so he didn't have to make a choice, it pretty much slaps the entire concept in the face and says you can be spoiled and stubborn and still get your way and never have to many any hard decisions.


You, also are stating opinions that are based upon your ego's need to repress the comparison between Japanese animation and American Animation.


It's nothing to do with ego, it's a simple fact. When I go into stores to buy anime merchandise in Japan when I visit my family, they don't handle me Avatar or Jimmy Neutron stuff (mainly since it doesn't exist, but that's besides the point) they know I mean Japanese animation.


There are differences in style, design, budget, story lines, content, etc, yes but all in all... really...What is the big deal?


Same reason one does not go to a football game and tries to start a conversation about religion or what have you. Anime forms are for anime. Simple enough. This could have at least been made in the general TV section.

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Re: your response to my 1st post: Your response was full of this logical fallacy: Ad Hominem A.K.A. in the legal system known as muddying the waters, lol: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/ad-hominem.html

Check my MAL, I've seen them...XD, though I am picky about what I watch and my list isn't like 40% Hentai, like many, lmao. I am also a global mod on a Kenshin site since 03', lol. I see various thoughts and opinions, etc placed here in this thread. Avatar had to be censored because of the politics and financial backing behind the project... nbd... Much Ado About Nothing. lol I've watched anime since I could get my hands on it in the 70's, lol. I adore the great improvements in the animation techniques also. :D

We are talking about two different countries and cultures. Bruce Lee was supposed to be the original protagonist in the television show Kung Fu (actually called Wu Shu), but it was pulled from him because the producers didn't think that the Main Target population was ready for an Asian to have a role, esp a staring roll in a prime time television series. (reason mentioned is to reinforce the cultural differences that are still present today in various ways)

AAAhh and here we go back, in a circle to the source of animation, which is rapidly changing. I gave several links regarding Korean animation in there. :D

I too am very passionate about anime, but I don't find myself in a mind set that it has to come completely from Japan to even be considered. The world is constantly changing, as is all things.

Love what you love, as we all do. Now you have very clearly made your points and I am done with mine, lol. Shall we let others post also? So far, there seems to be more interested in favor of it than not. We'll see in the end but, since I heard about Kora, the next Avatar from here, the thoughts and posts will vary. Tolerance of another person's thought and such is difficult for many but our differences is also what makes us unique in what we have to offer. I hope you will view this as an agreement to simply disagree and move forward. :D

I have always called Avatar a semi-anime...so will be Kora for me. But that is how I perceive it and is my right, just as you have your rights to your opinions. I could have put this in the television section, but I chose not to. If you want, feel free to report it and see if the mods want to or feel it should be moved. I think we have chatted enough and I'd love to see and hear what others think, if they feel like posting or not. It has been a pleasure.



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Same reason one does not go to a football game and tries to start a conversation about religion or what have you. Anime forms are for anime. Simple enough. This could have at least been made in the general TV section.


A minor point, but instead of spending a lot of time arguing, you could have simply reported the topic to a moderator, and in the comment put "Not anime, needs to be moved to TV Shows".

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Who cares if is Anime or cartoon series, Avatar was good and so far Korra looks SO MUCH BETTER.
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It's a kiddy show on Nickelodeon that can't even show people actually fighting/hurting each other.

I seriously doubt Nickelodeon is going to really make it half as good as those shows. Even Pokemon is edgier than Avatar.

You clearly haven't seen the series. They can't hurt each other? They put the main character in a coma for three months. Totally for kids @[email protected]


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1. I highly doubt that. In FMA Fire can actually melt people and kill them, like Lust and Kimblee. In Avatar, it's like a cloud that can be knocked away if you go by the trailer they posted and doesn't even burn you.
2. Stating the actual definition of anime is not being elitist or a troll, it's stating a fact. It's produced by two white guys from America.
3. Not really, actually. Anime is produced by Japanese people, if you look at the credits, you'll see the director and producers all have Japanese names. Not so for Avatar.
4. The ironic thing is Spongebob actually has killed more people on screen than Avatar has.

1. It only acts that way for other firebenders, which Korra is. To a non-bender, yes it would burn them.
2. The fact it's produced by two white guys in america has little to do with the show. You're saying if it was produced by two Japanese guys in Japan it instantly makes it better? And sure Avatar isn't technically anime but does that make it less of a show? No. You can argue it tries to imitate anime and in a way that's true, but that has nothing to do with the quality of the show. Panty and Stocking imitates American cartoons and you don't hear people complaining about that. And really, Batman and Gargoyles rip off of anime? In what universe? They don't resemble each other in the slightest.
3. Again, does being produced and directed by Japanese people make it better? No.
4. Please tell me what episode there has been an on-screen death in SpongeBob cause I'm fairly sure none exists.

And finally, Korra will be awesome like Avatar before it.
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I liked the first episode.
The original series set the bar pretty high so I hope this is just as good.
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episode 1 is freaking awsome i got x-men feel abt it for some reason any1 knows how can the villans beat the avatar?
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I don't think Crunchyroll will bring that show here due to the legal issues with Nick and because of the fact it's not considered an anime.

I saw the first episode of the show thanks to an acquaintance who found it online. It looked pretty nice.
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You clearly haven't seen the series. They can't hurt each other? They put the main character in a coma for three months. Totally for kids @[email protected]


The funny thing is they didn't even show Aang being shocked, they cut away at the last second. Apparently even that was too violent for them. And electricity is like the most safe element to use on a kids show since all it does is shock you. So yes, totally for kids. It's not like we're dealing with One Piece or Naruto level violence here with limbs being cut off and blood.

(Or even Pokemon where Pikachu can shock people into a hospital bed on screen... )


1. It only acts that way for other firebenders, which Korra is. To a non-bender, yes it would burn them.
2. The fact it's produced by two white guys in america has little to do with the show. You're saying if it was produced by two Japanese guys in Japan it instantly makes it better? And sure Avatar isn't technically anime but does that make it less of a show? No. You can argue it tries to imitate anime and in a way that's true, but that has nothing to do with the quality of the show. Panty and Stocking imitates American cartoons and you don't hear people complaining about that. And really, Batman and Gargoyles rip off of anime? In what universe? They don't resemble each other in the slightest.
3. Again, does being produced and directed by Japanese people make it better? No.
4. Please tell me what episode there has been an on-screen death in SpongeBob cause I'm fairly sure none exists.


1. How convenient for the censorship.
2. "You're saying if it was produced by two Japanese guys in Japan it instantly makes it better?"

I'm saying it doesn't make it anime.

And Panty and Stocking is a parody of American animation, Gainax was inspired when they visited America on a business trip and saw some US cartoons and wondered why Americans thought that kind of dumb gross out humor was funny. So they made a parody of it. Avatar isn't a parody, it's a flat out imitation.

And yes actually, go read interviews with the creators of Batman and Gargoyles and you'll find they cite anime as a very big influence.

3. Yes, actually. Because anime has a lot more freedom and wider influence around the world because of it. If your show is about war and you can't even show soldiers being killed or getting damaged, it lessens your message and beliveability. There is no actual sense of danger for the characters, and none of their actions matter when there will be no consequence for their actions. The huge red light of "Nickelodoen kiddy show" is always there and reminding you that no one is ever in any danger.

After all, it's One Piece and Naruto that are worldwide hits, not Avatar. The way Avatar was made hinders it severely, both in production and in popularity.

4. Where the fish guy drowns because Bubble Buddy murdered him for one. That's hardcore right there.
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