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I might have to re watch it some day
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OmegaRevan wrote: Sigh...This is way more complicated than it ought to be and likely leads to reduced revenue for the production companies in the long run due to them not being able to reach all potential customers.

Digital royalties from a single catalog title are not very much right now, but its something for Crunchyroll to look at whether they can get contracts where they give up the rights a region at a time when there is a distributor in that region, so Funimation getting it does not take catalog titles away from the UK or Oz or Brazil.

If that can get written into the contract from the start, it would keep each region's catalog as big as possible.
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Lighter than the usual blows to Crunchy from Funimation but in my opinion, they need to stop with the monopolies and start thinking about what people want. Why would you leave everything BUT 1 and 2 on Crunchy? The way I see it, it's an excuse for them so they can say something like "Well don't get mad at us because we didn't even remove it from Crunchyroll like we do with everything else.", while in reality it's the almost the exact same thing to people outside the US, because, given the fact that someone's never seen any of this anime, not being able to start from episodes 1 and 2 is just as bad as not being able to watch it at all. Funi needs to stop.
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that bell in the background shocked me a lil at first had to look twice hahaha... well id wish the series was longer to short for dvd
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SOOOO UNFAIR!!!! there's less and less anime every time for the UK
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Giroutte wrote:
SOOOO UNFAIR!!!! there's less and less anime every time for the UK

You mean "less" as in, "more than there was a few seasons ago"?

It seems to me that the word "less" does not mean what you think it means.
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ill wait for the dub to come out ;D
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agila61 wrote:


Giroutte wrote:
SOOOO UNFAIR!!!! there's less and less anime every time for the UK

You mean "less" as in, "more than there was a few seasons ago"?

It seems to me that the word "less" does not mean what you think it means.


Considering that we, Asians (except Middle East), were entirely cut out of CR, they should at least be thankful that they're getting something... not just those 5-minute shorts.
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dark_pride wrote: Considering that we, Asians (except Middle East), were entirely cut out of CR, they should at least be thankful that they're getting something... not just those 5-minute shorts.

Yes, Asia in particular was almost entirely depending on the Kadokawa package for series ... but also the Middle East and the "Rest of Europe" and "Rest of Africa" saw the licenses made available to them by the rights owners drop in the past half year ...

... which makes a claim from the UK that impliesthe situation for the UK is getting worse seem quite odd, considering how UK licenses dipped below 50% for one season and then recovered.

I expect that Crunchyroll is trying what they can to address those gaps in their coverage, but how regional licensing will settle down over the longer term is anyone's guess.
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agila61 wrote:


Giroutte wrote:
SOOOO UNFAIR!!!! there's less and less anime every time for the UK

You mean "less" as in, "more than there was a few seasons ago"?

It seems to me that the word "less" does not mean what you think it means.


lol, if you think that what we have right now is lot compare to what there was before, then you seem to be really easy to please, even though there's considerably enough as for now, crunchyroll is always taking away series over what they recently add, for instance, deadman wonderland, they only showed for few months, then it got taken away, and other animes that were taken away before that as well.
its funny, they add few things then they away others, I don't blame them, and I will continue to support the industry as I do pay the membership, but I find it ridiculous to take away series. but tbh I don't think I'll ever watch this anime.

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dark_pride wrote:


agila61 wrote:


Giroutte wrote:
SOOOO UNFAIR!!!! there's less and less anime every time for the UK

You mean "less" as in, "more than there was a few seasons ago"?

It seems to me that the word "less" does not mean what you think it means.


Considering that we, Asians (except Middle East), were entirely cut out of CR, they should at least be thankful that they're getting something... not just those 5-minute shorts.


Too bad for you I guess, but from my point of view is unfair to see series even chapters being taken away, considering that some of us do pay the membership.
Just giving my honest opinion on this matter, if anyone feels like hating, be my guest, I don't care tbh.
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agila61 wrote:


dark_pride wrote: Considering that we, Asians (except Middle East), were entirely cut out of CR, they should at least be thankful that they're getting something... not just those 5-minute shorts.

Yes, Asia in particular was almost entirely depending on the Kadokawa package for series ... but also the Middle East and the "Rest of Europe" and "Rest of Africa" saw the licenses made available to them by the rights owners drop in the past half year ...

... which makes a claim from the UK that impliesthe situation for the UK is getting worse seem quite odd, considering how UK licenses dipped below 50% for one season and then recovered.

I expect that Crunchyroll is trying what they can to address those gaps in their coverage, but how regional licensing will settle down over the longer term is anyone's guess.


I do actually agree with you here, I've seen full series getting license in the UK, and don't get me wrong, I did not by any means try to say that the situation on anime is getting worse in the UK, I was particularly referring to crunchyroll, as I've often seen entires series being taken away in the past and no longer happens regularly, but if it comes to publishers like mangaUK, well they're doing a good job acquiring licenses for the UK.
On the other hand though, official online streaming in the UK is poor, as another example there's netflix UK which recently launch, their selection in anime is considerably low.
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Something tells me that got worded backwards. We'll have to wait for someone from Crunchyroll to clarify, but *usually* how that would work is that once someone releases a DVD package (Funimation in this case), they usually want the first two episodes online to get people to watch it and get hooked. And then they have to buy the DVDs to see the rest of the series. So what would make sense is if Crunchyroll loses all of its US rights to the series as soon as Funimation releases their DVDs. However, Funimation may come back and say "we'll let you guys keep episodes 1 and 2 online because it's good advertising for our DVDs". Of course, Funimation only has a say in the US rights, so Crunchyroll's existing rights for the rest of the world for the entire series remains intact.

If they really are taking episodes 1 and 2 offline for the US and leaving 3 through 12 up, then that's just downright strange. The only reason I could see that happening is if Crunchyroll's contract specifically says they only have to take it down if a US Licensor streams it (and the DVDs are irrelevant to the contract). In this case, they would lose episodes 1 and 2 because Funimation would likely stream them from their own site for the reasons stated above. This would be really strange though.
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justdave wrote: ... Of course, Funimation only has a say in the US rights, so Crunchyroll's existing rights for the rest of the world for the entire series remains intact.

Crunchyroll does not sign a different contract for each country. Instead, its all one contract.

And while Funimation can only grant rights in North America, the impact of Funimation on Crunchyroll's rights is whatever the contract with Crunchyroll says the impact is.

If the result doesn't make sense, its quite possible that nobody expected things to work out the way they did. So Crunchyroll might try to modify the terms in future contracts, to avoid a repeat.
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Giroutte wrote:

... I was particularly referring to crunchyroll, as I've often seen entires series being taken away in the past and no longer happens regularly, ...


I was talking about Crunchyroll in particular:
* In Summer 2011, the UK got 3 out of 12 new series
* In Fall 2011, the UK got 9 out of 13 new series
* In Winter 2012, the UK got 7 out of 11 new series.

I don't see how anyone can describe going from 25% last summer to 65%~70% the last two seeasons fits "there's less and less anime every time for the UK".

We all have a right to our own opinions, but we don't have the right to make up facts that aren't actually true.

As far as "whole series being taken away" ~ whole series being taken away from the UK in particular? What does that mean?

EDIT: Ah, I got confused by spreading the replies out ... here is where you say it:

Giroutte wrote: lol, if you think that what we have right now is lot compare to what there was before, then you seem to be really easy to please, even though there's considerably enough as for now, crunchyroll is always taking away series over what they recently add, for instance, deadman wonderland, they only showed for few months, then it got taken away, and other animes that were taken away before that as well.

You're just confused about what a simulcast is. The point of a simulcast is to stream the series while its broadcasting in Japan. If someone else licenses the distribution, or if Crunchyroll is only offered a fixed term license, of course the rights expire a certain time after the last episode ~ often its on one full broadcast season after the last simulcast, sometimes a series gets some extra time before the rights expire.

The only one I know of that's less than that is Fairy Tail, where Crunchyroll has each episode for four weeks, then its gone.

Deadman Wonderland is an example ~ it was a simulcast, then it got licensed for BD/DVD release, and so when the simulcast period was up, Crunchyroll wasn't able to add it to its back catalog, because someone else had it. So the rights expired.

Catalog titles can work the same way ~ Crunchyroll can get them for a period. Then if the licensor wants the title to stay up, it can get renewed after that, but if someone licenses the series, the rights won't get renewed. That happened to Glass Maiden (released as Crystal Blaze by Section23 / TheAnimeNetwork).

But your complaint was about things being taken away from the UK. When did that ever happen? That a series had its rights expire to the UK and the UK alone, while it remained available to other countries?
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Giroutte wrote:
lol, if you think that what we have right now is lot compare to what there was before, then you seem to be really easy to please, even though there's considerably enough as for now, crunchyroll is always taking away series over what they recently add, for instance, deadman wonderland, they only showed for few months, then it got taken away, and other animes that were taken away before that as well.

Technically, Kadokawa took it away, and that was because Funimation licensed it from them. If you take a look at a number of the other titles that went away in 2011, the majority of them were Kadokawa titles, licensed by Funimation.

Deadman Wonderland was probably the one that had the shortest run here, as it debuted in Spring 2011, and was removed October 9, 2011.

Kore wa Zombie Desu ka? was also on the short list, having debuted in Winter 2011, and having to say goodbye on July 16. Once again, a series from Kadokawa and licensed by Funimation.

CR doesn't do much with Kadokawa since NicoNico.com came on the scene, so there won't as much of that in the future. (Another is from Kadokawa, but is licensed by Sentai Filmworks).

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